I heard that Muslims destroyed the scrolls of the Alexandria library and used them as fire fuel since they were un-Islamic in nature. It’s not too
far fetched to think that is the case; fundamentalists still do that today to destroy history that is not Islamic. Also I read long ago that the
Egyptian pyramids were covered in shiny marble inscribed with all the secrets of the pyramids and history but the Muslims used the slabs to build
decorations in the mosques they built up. This is just what some have said but I would not put that theory too far off. They still do that with finds
in Israel and throw away any historial Jewish history in the skips without even looking into it.
Library of Alexandria discovered, page 3
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 08:55 PM by Chronogoblin
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I tell ya what, if there ever were a plague that wiped out 98% of humanity, the survivors could spend lifetimes just searching out the things that have been hidden from public scrutiny by the governments and religious bodies of the world. One can only imagine what they would find.
On another note, I was thinking about this Library of Alexandria, and that got me thinking about ice ages, as unrelated as the two might seem. The point was, if there were another ice age, the oceans would recess, yes? Think of all the archeological sites that lie underwater, and all the things that would be uncovered. I suppose there is a silver lining to both reality warping scenarios.
Chrono
I tell ya what, if there ever were a plague that wiped out 98% of humanity, the survivors could spend lifetimes just searching out the things that have been hidden from public scrutiny by the governments and religious bodies of the world. One can only imagine what they would find.
On another note, I was thinking about this Library of Alexandria, and that got me thinking about ice ages, as unrelated as the two might seem. The point was, if there were another ice age, the oceans would recess, yes? Think of all the archeological sites that lie underwater, and all the things that would be uncovered. I suppose there is a silver lining to both reality warping scenarios.
Chrono
reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 01:27 AM by Byrd
I believe a couple of misconceptions need to be cleared up.
* According to ancient sources Caesar did NOT burn the Library of Alexander. A warehouse of books burned during his taking control of the city.
* the library would NOT have contained unique texts, but rather copies of famous books. Unique copies of someone's work would have stayed with them and their family... libraries don't accept everything they're offered. It worked much like a modern library with an acquisitions and cataloging department and was the first library to collect works from outside the country.
* As to the discovery, someone jumped the gun on this one, announcing it as THE Library.
* THE Library was destroyed about 400 AD (some 450 years after Caesar hit Egypt), and most of the ancient historians say a mob of Christians did it:
en.wikipedia.org...
You've gotten a wrong impression, actually.
Rome was a rival for Greece, but it was a point of status in Rome to have a Greek tutor. They would not have destroyed The Library although they may have looted it. The fire at the Alexandrian wharf was started during the riots, when Caesar's troops were burning the Egyptian naval fleet and the fire spread to other areas from there.
But The Library was not destroyed. The Roman historian, Strabo, reported working in it some 25 years later.
During times of danger, the books were moved to and from other locations such as the Serapium in Serapis (according to ancient sources.)
Valued books were copied and passed around to royal libraries across the Mediterranean. The collection itself was unique, but there were copies of these books around...they were the basis of the flourishing of the arts and sciences in Greece (because Alexandria might have been on Egyptian soil but it was a Greek city) and Rome.
I'll see if I can find some ancient sources for you... a lot of the modern material on this library was made up by people who didn't bother to read Plutarch and Strabo.
* According to ancient sources Caesar did NOT burn the Library of Alexander. A warehouse of books burned during his taking control of the city.
* the library would NOT have contained unique texts, but rather copies of famous books. Unique copies of someone's work would have stayed with them and their family... libraries don't accept everything they're offered. It worked much like a modern library with an acquisitions and cataloging department and was the first library to collect works from outside the country.
* As to the discovery, someone jumped the gun on this one, announcing it as THE Library.
* THE Library was destroyed about 400 AD (some 450 years after Caesar hit Egypt), and most of the ancient historians say a mob of Christians did it:
en.wikipedia.org...
What hasn't seemed to be discussed, yet, is that at some point in ancient times the majority of the works of accumulated Human knowledge, after being located into one location, were subsequently burned as the city was under siege, from an invading Army.
You've gotten a wrong impression, actually.
Rome was a rival for Greece, but it was a point of status in Rome to have a Greek tutor. They would not have destroyed The Library although they may have looted it. The fire at the Alexandrian wharf was started during the riots, when Caesar's troops were burning the Egyptian naval fleet and the fire spread to other areas from there.
But The Library was not destroyed. The Roman historian, Strabo, reported working in it some 25 years later.
During times of danger, the books were moved to and from other locations such as the Serapium in Serapis (according to ancient sources.)
Valued books were copied and passed around to royal libraries across the Mediterranean. The collection itself was unique, but there were copies of these books around...they were the basis of the flourishing of the arts and sciences in Greece (because Alexandria might have been on Egyptian soil but it was a Greek city) and Rome.
I'll see if I can find some ancient sources for you... a lot of the modern material on this library was made up by people who didn't bother to read Plutarch and Strabo.
reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 04:17 AM by infinite
reply to post by The time lord
Do you have an education system in your nation?
The Islamic Caliphate was respectful and nonchalant on converting the population to Islam. Ancient historical sites and governmental systems were not altered drastically- Sharia Law was very liberal in Egypt. Just like Jerusalem, the Islamic government protected religious sites.
It was the invasion of Napoleon Bonaparte in 1798, which damaged ancient temples and hieroglyphs. Then the British occupation from 1804 was destructive when the population was forcefully converted to Christianity.
Did you know, Thomas Jefferson had his own personal Qu'ran?
Do you have an education system in your nation?
The Islamic Caliphate was respectful and nonchalant on converting the population to Islam. Ancient historical sites and governmental systems were not altered drastically- Sharia Law was very liberal in Egypt. Just like Jerusalem, the Islamic government protected religious sites.
It was the invasion of Napoleon Bonaparte in 1798, which damaged ancient temples and hieroglyphs. Then the British occupation from 1804 was destructive when the population was forcefully converted to Christianity.
Did you know, Thomas Jefferson had his own personal Qu'ran?
reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 05:33 AM by Quiintus
Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by The time lord
Do you have an education system in your nation?
The Islamic Caliphate was respectful and nonchalant on converting the population to Islam. Ancient historical sites and governmental systems were not altered drastically- Sharia Law was very liberal in Egypt. Just like Jerusalem, the Islamic government protected religious sites.
It was the invasion of Napoleon Bonaparte in 1798, which damaged ancient temples and hieroglyphs. Then the British occupation from 1804 was destructive when the population was forcefully converted to Christianity.
Did you know, Thomas Jefferson had his own personal Qu'ran?
I was thinking the same thing but am somewhat new here. Napoleon would not have intentionally destroyed any monuments on purpose. He loved Egypt and he is the father of Egyptology. I know you weren't exactly saying he did it on purpose, but still I thought I might mention it.
reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 05:55 AM by infinite
reply to post by Quiintus
Napoleon, of course, did not give orders but French soldiers carved their own names into the stone walls and pillars. I agree with the premise though, Napoleon was a keen admirer of Egyptian culture and history.
Napoleon, of course, did not give orders but French soldiers carved their own names into the stone walls and pillars. I agree with the premise though, Napoleon was a keen admirer of Egyptian culture and history.
reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 02:47 PM by nerbot
reply to post by infinite
Cool eh?
Carl Sagan and his "Cosmos" programme certainly taught me a few things.
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Cool eh?
Carl Sagan and his "Cosmos" programme certainly taught me a few things.
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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 02:52 PM by nerbot
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Yes, all ships docking in the harbour were searched upon arrival. Not for contraband and such, but for books! They were taken to the library, copied and returned.
Let's face it, if you're going to do something, you might as well do it properly.
They did forget to leave us a map though!
Yes, all ships docking in the harbour were searched upon arrival. Not for contraband and such, but for books! They were taken to the library, copied and returned.
Let's face it, if you're going to do something, you might as well do it properly.
They did forget to leave us a map though!
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