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Topic started on 25-12-2008 @ 01:17 PM by crimvelvet
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This is bad news for those who believe in the Constitution, those who want safe locally grown food as well as small farmers.
Source: fourwinds10.com...
For today the state of Wisconsin at the behest of the USDA drags an Amish farmer named Emmanuel Miller to court for obeying his religious
principles.
Perhaps this moment will begin to intimate how the USDA has been operating and why the head of the USDA has become not a political choice but actually
life and death for American farmers.
Mr. Miller is due in court today, this Wed. Dec. 17th, at 3:00 pm, at the Clark County Court House, 517 Court St. Neillsville, WI, for his initial
court appearance....
In July 14, 2008 Attorneys for the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund filed suit in the U.S. District Court - District of Columbia - to stop the
United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) from implementing the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), a plan to electronically track
every livestock animal in the country
The suit asked the court to issue an injunction to stop the implementation of NAIS at either the state or federal levels by any state or federal
agency. Fund President Taaron Meikle said "We think that current disease reporting procedures and animal tracking methods provide the kind of
information health officials need to respond to animal disease events. At a time when the job of protecting our food safety is woefully underfunded,
the USDA has spent over $118 million on just the beginning stages of a so-called voluntary program that ultimately seeks to register every horse,
chicken, cow, goat, sheep, pig, llama, alpaca or other livestock animal in a national database--more than 120 million animals. It's a program that
only a bureaucrat could love," she added. The suit charges that USDA has:
1. never published rules regarding NAIS, in violation of the Federal Administrative Procedures Act;
2. has never performed an Environmental Impact Statement or an Environmental Assessment as required by the National Environmental Policy Act;
3. is in violation of the Regulatory Flexibility Act that requires the USDA to analyze proposed rules for their impact on small entities and local
governments; and
4. violates religious freedoms guaranteed by the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
Judith McGeary, a member of the Farm-to-Consumer Fund board and the executive director of the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance, noted that "Other
mandatory implementations, which weave NAIS into existing regulatory fabric and programs, have occurred in the States of Wisconsin and Indiana where
premises registration has been made mandatory; in drought-stricken North Carolina and Tennessee, where farmers have been required to register their
premises in order to obtain hay relief; and in Colorado where state fairs are requiring participants to register their premises under NAIS."
The article goes on to outline the USDA actions and the suit. A must read for those who want wholesome, plentiful, affordable food.
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reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 02:07 PM by whiteraven
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If this is true then it is self evident that change needs to be forthcomng in the sense that the Founding Fathers knew would, should and must be done.
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reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 02:19 PM by crimvelvet
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Oh this is very true. I have been following NAIS for three years and have spoken and e-mailed Cindi at Farm to Consumer Defense Fund on this issue
several times.
Check out The Last thanksgiving:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The same issue was brought before the Supreme Court
nonais.org...
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 01:13 AM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by whiteraven
If this is true then it is self evident that change needs to be forthcomng in the sense that the Founding Fathers knew would, should and must be
done.
Indeed and darker days food wise are yet to come:
Codex Alimentarius - forcing GMO food down your throat
Get ready while you can still do so without violating the law.
Codex becomes law by the end of 2009.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 04:33 AM by Tgautier13
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Isn't that Codex stuff about how vitamins are going to be illegal by the end of next year? I'm sorry but there's just no way anything like that
will ever come to fruition.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 05:34 AM by eldard
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Yeah. So what they do is release propaganda that it's not that good for you.
Less than 10 years ago, a researcher stirred up controversy when he reported in the journal Oncology that cancer patients who took antioxidant
supplements had poorer responses to chemotherapy and radiation.
www.hsibaltimore.com...
You can now stop thinking about antioxidants. Forget all about them. That's the advice of "experts," according to a recent Associated Press
(AP) article.
www.hsibaltimore.com...
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 06:41 AM by SANTA CLAWS
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Starred and flagged Crimvelvet
Takes away the dream for many of owning a small farm and raising their own livestock.
A MUST read for those who do it, want it or know of anyone who does it.
WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY under the "PREMISES ID"
The following taken from the OP link
"Throughout the entire Draft National Animal Identification System Users Guide, land is referred to as a premises and not property. A "Premises"
has no protection under the Constitution of the United States, while property always has the exclusive rights of the owner tied to it. The Fifth and
Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution protect property rights.
"The word "Premise" is a synonym for the word tenement. A definition of the word tenement in law is: Property, such as land, held by one person
"leasing" it to another. Webster's New World Dictionary 1960 College Edition defines "Premises" as the part of a deed or "lease" that states
its reason, the parties involved and the property in "conveyance." Webster then defines "conveyance" as the transfer of ownership of real property
from one person to another. It is quite obvious that the bureaucrats in Washington had a very good reason to use the term "premises" and never
mention "PROPERTY."
It's easy to see why Obama Appoints Monsanto's Fox To Guard The Agriculture Henhouse.
THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 10:24 AM by Cythraul
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This is frightening. The sanctity of food is matched only by the sanctity of water, air and reproduction. These four things are essential freedoms but
their essentiality can be masked quite easily by authorities. What I mean is that the integrity and quality of these foods as ABSOLUTELY as important
as whether we even get them at all. And while everyone knows how vital it is that we have access to food, water, air and reproduction, they often
don't realise how equally vital it is that these things are wholesome, clean and natural.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:10 AM by mybigunit
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No conspiracy here folks just turn around and continue watching your locally provided episode of Dancing with the Stars.
People this is scary stuff. I mean we here on ATS have known for awhile about the lack of property ownership but this is just another story that
proves our case. What I would like to know is if this guy is selling his goods on the open market or is he just farming them for himself. If he is
selling them on the open market to be exported or sold to others then I someone understand the USDA case. But if this guy is keeping it all to
himself and his family and friend then there should be NO NEED for this crap.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:26 AM by nixie_nox
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So someone explain to me why tracking livestock is a bad thing?
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:35 AM by Long Lance
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
So someone explain to me why tracking livestock is a bad thing?
because it can be used to curtail rasing livestock altogether, obviously. as long as you don't sell it on a large scale (ie. with middlemen) there's
really no justification for meddling with peoples' affairs, is there?
what if you grew your own herbs and vegetables? not yet outlawed. what if you wanted to raise chicken? gray area? edge of the wedge? this is the road
to dependency, slavery and extinction.
just look what happens when these people have a free reign: www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:44 AM by mybigunit
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
So someone explain to me why tracking livestock is a bad thing?
Numerical controls. The government doesnt want to much food hitting the markets. The government loves price controls. Not only that when you
control the food supply you control the people. If the people get out of line you can cut the supply. Give it two to three years you will see this
start to happen. As unrest comes with the robbing of the American people they will keep us in line but food shortages and price controls. You obey
the government and they will keep you fed.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:45 AM by nixie_nox
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I can't imagine it not being regulated. It is mass produced, sold on a mass scale,and the entire country eats it. If we were to import beef I would
want that animal tracked, checked, and looked at every which way but Sunday.
While no, they don't do this with carrots or turnips. Carrots and turnips don't carry and spread disease, need vaccinations, are not fed a diet that
is passed on, or carry parasites and whatever other nasties livestock can have.
While someone may just be breeding a cow for their own family, you don't know if they are going to slice off a couple of steaks and give it to a
neighbor for christmas.
I see this could protect the livestock. Prevent over breeding, inbreeding, and track any potential problems or spread of sickness.
We have seen in the past year what has happened when a food product is contaminated. It takes weeks to track it down.
Considering how vast the beef industry is,if something were to crop up, the source may never be found.
NOw, if there was cattle that was contaminated with a parasite and it was passed on to 400 humans. Everyone on ATS would be clamoring how the
government let this through on purpose to make everyone sick. The government doesn't care about the people, yadda yadda.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:47 AM by mybigunit
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haha vegetables dont carry disease? Remember the Taco Bell incidents with Lettuce? Remember the Spaghetti sauce contaminations because of tomatoes?
As long as you rely on mass produced food no matter what it is you worry about that crap.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 12:09 PM by nixie_nox
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That was human error. Those products were contaminated by somebody.
The veggies themselves do not carry or produce anything.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 12:10 PM by whiteraven
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If you sell your homegrown in the local where you live you have a deeper interest in the quality of your goods.
Remember the days when two farmers would compare thier produce over a shot of moonshine. The best tomato's always carry huge bragging rights.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 12:16 PM by nixie_nox
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Valid point. But then we would go deer hunting. And nothing would stop someone from stuffing a few cows into a shed and hiding them.
Just like prohibition didn't work, and the war on drugs doesn't work, people find a way around it.
But what is more dangerous then the food supply being controlled is it being wiped out entirely by disease. And then the prices shoot up out of
everyon'es affordability.
If people breed too much, then the price drops too far and a lot of people are out of jobs.
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 12:49 PM by DarkSecret
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I can't imagine it not being regulated. It is mass produced, sold on a mass scale,and the entire country eats it. If we were to import beef I would
want that animal tracked, checked, and looked at every which way but Sunday.
NOw, if there was cattle that was contaminated with a parasite and it was passed on to 400 humans. Everyone on ATS would be clamoring how the
government let this through on purpose to make everyone sick. The government doesn't care about the people, yadda yadda.
that's right conspiracy people are never happy with anything. if the govt will enforce laws requiring food safety by bringing farmers to court then
it's against "religious principles" or the constitution or trying to control the food supply for some evil purposes. but if there's an outbreak
and dozens die or get sick then it's an outcry "why didn't the govt do more to insure our safety"... and of course "the govt wants to kill us
off".
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reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 12:55 PM by Anonymous ATS
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It is my understanding that NAIS would require livestock owners to pay a fee for every animal registered. The big factory farms could handle these
extra expenses, would no doubt find a way to pass them on to the consumers, but the small livestock owners already struggling to hang on to their
family farms can't afford the fees. Under NAIS, you have to inform the government every time you buy, sell, slaughter, or transport your registered
livestock. The fees and endless paperwork are designed to dissuade people from raising their own food and leave food-raising exclusively to the big
corporations.
Another problem with NAIS is the potential for using this technology on PEOPLE. It is already being done in some hospitals and prisons. If the
government can coerce us to microchip our animals, how long before they start coercing us into microchipping ourselves and our children?
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