Bottled water lacks in fluoride, page 2

reply to post by Jkd Up

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I gave up Fluoride a few years ago and it cleared up my eczema or psoriasis (the diagnosis of which varied with the dematologists I consulted over the 25 years I suffered with it). What led me to give it up was my young son who had been suffering with a chest and stomach rash for over a year. We (and his Pediatrician) couldn't figure out what the problem was until he went to the dentist and they gave him a fluoride treatment. That evening, the rash was bright pink--practically glowing. We were seeking NAET treatment at the time and we cleared him on Fluoride and Chlorine. I installed water filters in the showers and sinks and use either Auromere or better yet Tooth Soap to clean the teeth. The latter is derived from the research of Dr Gerard Judd, who was a chemist and developed some very different ideas about what causes cavities and gum disease and how to prevent them, than are regurgitated by modern dentists. For Dr Judd's views, I suggest you see:

reactor-core.org...
and
www.perfect-prescription.com...

Dr Judd is not alone in his opposition to fluoride. Even Nobel Prize winners like Dr Arvid Carlsson (2000 Nobel Prize in Medicine) oppose fluoride.

Here are some snips from the links above:

"...Fluoride destroys 83 enzymes in the body. The mechanism for destruction of enzymes by fluoride had been proven by x-ray studies. Hydrogen bonds are broken by fluoride. FLUORIDE IS A SEVERE BIOLOGICAL POISON. Again, being intensely negative, it unlatches positive hydrogen bonds in enzymes and proteins."

"...Fluoride detaches the gum tissue, forming POCKETS from 1 to 8 mm deep..."

"...TO AVOID FLUORIDE IS TO PREVENT MORE THAN 114 AILMENTS.. These 114 MEDICAL SIDE EFFECTS extend all the way from cancer down to headaches CAUSED BY 1 PPM FLUORIDE IN THE WATER. Thirteen of these side effects are proved by a double blind study on 60 patients by 12 physicians, 1 pharmacist and 1 attorney..."

By the way, since I have been off Fluoride, along with my son, we have suffered with no dental problems--no cavities or other problems, so I would encourage you to take the leap without fear.

reply to post by Jkd Up

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Apologies if this post appears twice--wasn't logged in the first time.

I gave up Fluoride a few years ago and it cleared up my eczema or psoriasis (the diagnosis of which varied with the dematologists I consulted over the 25 years I suffered with it). What led me to give it up was my young son who had been suffering with a chest and stomach rash for over a year. We (and his Pediatrician) couldn't figure out what the problem was until he went to the dentist and they gave him a fluoride treatment. That evening, the rash was bright pink--practically glowing. We were seeking NAET treatment at the time and we cleared him on Fluoride and Chlorine. I installed water filters in the showers and sinks and use either Auromere or better yet Tooth Soap to clean the teeth. The latter is derived from the research of Dr Gerard Judd, who was a chemist and developed some very different ideas about what causes cavities and gum disease and how to prevent them, than are regurgitated by modern dentists. For Dr Judd's views, I suggest you see:

reactor-core.org...
and
www.perfect-prescription.com...

Dr Judd is not alone in his opposition to fluoride. Even Nobel Prize winners like Dr Arvid Carlsson (2000 Nobel Prize in Medicine) oppose fluoride.

Here are some snips from the links above:

"...Fluoride destroys 83 enzymes in the body. The mechanism for destruction of enzymes by fluoride had been proven by x-ray studies. Hydrogen bonds are broken by fluoride. FLUORIDE IS A SEVERE BIOLOGICAL POISON. Again, being intensely negative, it unlatches positive hydrogen bonds in enzymes and proteins."

"...Fluoride detaches the gum tissue, forming POCKETS from 1 to 8 mm deep..."

"...TO AVOID FLUORIDE IS TO PREVENT MORE THAN 114 AILMENTS.. These 114 MEDICAL SIDE EFFECTS extend all the way from cancer down to headaches CAUSED BY 1 PPM FLUORIDE IN THE WATER. Thirteen of these side effects are proved by a double blind study on 60 patients by 12 physicians, 1 pharmacist and 1 attorney..."

By the way, since I have been off Fluoride, along with my son, we have suffered with no dental problems--no cavities or other problems, so I would encourage you to take the leap without fear.

Originally posted by ProudWN
Flouride is great for your teeth, but it really doesn't do crap for you if you drink it, it's supposed to be applied to your teeth, not swallowed. Like toothpaste, which is basically flouride.


But no, there's no Flouride conspiracy by the government, it won't dumb you down and even if it does, it's not their goal.

The simple reason why Flouride is put into public water systems, is to save the government money. Flouride tends to kill nasty things that eat away at the underground pipes, like bacteria, algae, plant growth, rust, etc. If they didn't put flouride and other chemicals in the water, they would have to replace all the pipes much more frequently, and it's not cheap.


So that's the simple reason why the government advertises flourdidated water as being good for you. Because if the government told you they put it in the water to save them money, the public wouldn't swallow that so well (pun not indended), would they? But if the flouride is going in the water to save people's health (teeth), sure! Put more flouride in our water!

The exact opposite of this post is true.

Not only is fluoride NOT good for you, it is NOT even good for your teeth.

"Sodium fluoride is a synthetic, inorganic compound, also called stannous fluoride. It kills rats by converting into fluoric acid in the stomach by reacting with stomach acids. Fluoric acid will dissolve glass, tell me that's not toxic. Sodium fluoride inhibits over 100 enzyme functions, and can be attributed to over 30 - 50 thousand Cancer deaths per year. The main function of sodium fluoride when used as a rat poison, is to destroy (inhibit) enzyme function. This causes the rats to starve to death by eating all the foods it desires, death by malnutrition. Deaths in fluorinated water areas is 5% higher than non fluorinated areas per populace. Studies have shown that sodium fluoride causes an increase in tooth decay, this condition is called fluoridosis. In fact there has never been a study that shows sodium fluoride prevented cavities. One hundredth of one ounce of sodium fluoride can kill a 10 pound child, and one tenth of an ounce can kill an adult. Fluoride toothpaste contains up to 1mg of sodium fluoride. A family size tube of toothpaste contains 199mg of sodium fluoride, more than enough to kill a 25 lb child. Our mouths are the fastest absorbing area in our bodies, about 79% of the sodium fluoride is absorbed within one minute if it is not spit out, this is called sublingual.
Sodium fluoride disrupts DNA repair, causes genetic damage, increases the risk of cancer and directly accelerates the aging process. Mother's who take sodium fluoride or have high sodium fluoride levels in their bodies during pregnancy, have an increase in birth defects. It is more poisinous than lead and slighly more poisonous than arsenic.
If it's not good for the teeth and a poison to the whole body, why push for more? If you want to avoid sodium fluoride, care should be taken to avoid fluorinated water, all beverages such as soft drinks, beers, wines and fruit juices from concentrate. Fresh juiced veggie's and uncostituted drinks are the safest. Non-fluorinated toothpastes and mouthwashes are available at your community health food stores. I hope you found my research/ opinions of help. [link to www.fluoridealert.org]"

www.godlikeproductions.com...

[edit on 25-12-2008 by Jezus]

Great post,
This has been debated for years and every so often the issue gets hot again, People reading this need to be proactive about educating others. I was shocked at how many people have no idea of these dangers. I work for a large company and I asked 100 seperate people over the course of 4 weeks (5 a day) if they new about any of these dangers. The number 1 responce, But fluoride is good for your teeth (or good for you.) 96%. I did this after This Thread came out. Get active in your community, some towns have voted to stop fluoridation and you can get it on you local ballot, check this out Fluoride free activism


I'll add this,
Fluoride damages the pineal gland,

"If we add the new evidence of fluoride's damage to the brain and the pineal gland to its carcinogenicity and its known toxicity to teeth, bones, the reproductive and other systems, and consider the ineffectiveness of fluoride in drinking water in preventing dental cavities, it is insane for NAS to promote fluoride as a beneficial element. Fluoride is a very toxic substance, and the less our children get the better."

Dr. Connet, St. Lawrence University


In addition to the long list of obvious health effects, and personality changing effects of fluoride, I am curious about the effects it has on the pineal gland if that is dampening my/our ability to reach a higher mental state, a level of enlightenment or ESP.

The third eye is considered to be one of the many gateways into the future. Many individuals believe that the third eye is one that can grant numerous powers to a human being. The two physical eyes show us the world we live in. However, the third eye or the mind's eye (as it is often called) can sometimes reveal insight into the future.

It is believed that the third eye is associated with the pineal gland, which French philosopher Descartes defines as the 'seat of the soul'. It is said that the pineal gland is dormant and can be made active through third eye meditation. So meditation comes across as the only way in which you can take a glimpse into the world of the higher consciousness. The third eye is considered to be an organ that is a part of the energy body. You can see different layers or dimensions of the soul after successfully opening the third eye. Here by soul, I mean the memoirs of the light or the energy
that lies deep buried within us which may include recollection of the past happening or a foresight to the future.

Therefore, the third eye can very well be considered as the entrance to the dimensionality of time and space. It is believed that many people have experienced amazing incidents by opening their third eye

Source

More..

The pineal gland resembles the shape of an eye. In fact it is as good as an eyeball just as roundly formed, with an opening on one side that contains a lens for focusing on the light. It can distinguish between colors and almost functions like an eye.
The pineal gland, howsoever small it is, contains all the geometries and information about how the world originated. The accomplished psychics are now trying to redeem this lost information and also revive the original potential of the pineal gland.

Source

I don't know about you, but for me this alone is reason enough to avoid something that is almost certainly preventing me from a higher level of consiousness.

But that's not all the pineal gland does, It also effects the aging process.

At the 1998 US Conference of the International Society for Fluoride Research in Bellingham, Washington, Dr Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey, UK, presented evidence of the effects of fluoride on the pineal gland in gerbils. In both gerbils and humans this gland helps control the aging process and the production of melatonin,
which regulates the sleep/wake cycle

Read the excellent SOURCE here

Recognize any of these?

The most readily identifiable feature of soft tissue fluorosis is extraordinary general fatigue, which is frequently linked to thyroid deficiency.

Stomach and bowel disorders are the main features of fluoride intolerance. Even small amounts of fluoride can form hydrofluoric acid in the stomach to produce gastric pains, nausea and vomiting.

Fluoride affects the brain and entire central nervous system. Neurological problems like headaches, vertigo, spasticity in extremities, visual disturbances and impaired mental acuity can all result. Tissue damage to anterior horn cells (cells in the forward facing section of the spinal cord) has been found

Severe sleep disturbances, or reversal of sleep rhythm, are a common feature in ME/CFS. Deposits of large quantities of fluoride in the pineal gland of animals have caused similar problems (J Luke, Bellingham Conference, 1998).

Source

There are several communities around the U.S. with anti fluoride votes upcoming check your local area and get involved.

Here is an online petition to the WHO

No Fluoride Petition

I also think that this is extremely relevant.

From the FLUORIDE ACTION NETWORK

On August 9th 2007, over 600 medical, science, and environmental profesionals called on congress to end water fluoridation.
To date more than 2000 professionals have signed on

samples,

The evidence provided by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2005 that 32% of American children have dental fluorosis – an abnormal discoloration and mottling of the enamel. This irreversible and sometimes disfiguring condition is caused by fluoride

The CDC’s concession, in 1999 and 2001, that the predominant benefit of fluoride in reducing tooth decay is TOPICAL and not SYSTEMIC

The publication in May 2006 of a peer-reviewed, case-controlled study from Harvard University which found a 5-7 fold increase in osteosarcoma (a frequently fatal bone cancer) in young men associated with exposure to fluoridated water during their 6th, 7th and 8th years

My personal favorite..

The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion

Read This One Page Document Here

Read The Entire 500 Page Report Online FREE
It is broken into chapters for easier navigation.

The Fluoride Deception, a book cited in the report, by Christopher Bryson. Is also available and there is an interview with Mr. Bryson below.
Watch The 30 Minute Interview Here

I recommend that you spend a little time browsing, and get involved. There is a growing movement behind this and support from many people with respected names in the medical and scientific, even environmental professions, people who can't just be brushed of as conspiracy theory crackpots the way THEY so often do.

Signers include a Nobel Prize winner, three members of the prestigious 2006 National Research Council (NRC) panel that reported on fluoride’s toxicology, two officers in the Union representing professionals at EPA headquarters, the President of the International Society of Doctors for the Environment, and hundreds of medical, dental, academic, scientific and environmental professionals, worldwide.

Signer Dr. Arvid Carlsson, winner of the 2000 Nobel Prize for Medicine, says, “Fluoridation is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete.”

“The NRC report dramatically changed scientific understanding of fluoride's health risks," says Connett. "Government officials who continue to promote fluoridation must testify under oath as to why they are ignoring the powerful evidence of harm in the NRC report,” he added.

An Assistant NY State Attorney General calls the report “the most up-to-date expert authority on the health effects of fluoride exposure.”

The Environmental Working Group (EWG), a DC watchdog, revealed that a Harvard professor concealed the fluoridation/bone cancer connection for three years. EWG President Ken Cook states, “It is time for the US to recognize that fluoridation has serious risks that far outweigh any minor benefits, and unlike many other environmental issues, it's as easy to end as turning off a valve at the water plant.”

Source

Wrapping up

Fluoride was used by the Nazis in concentration camps to keep the inmates passive. The poison serves to decrease resistance to authority. Alcoa Aluminum, which produced fluoride as a manufacturing byproduct, combined forces with I. G. Farben, the Nazi-era conglomerate, which utilized fluoride in creative, profitable ways, including deadly nerve gas. After the war, with decades of effective propaganda from Alcoa, most U.S. municipalities came to fluoridate their water.

The key justification was and is that fluoride is good for teeth and is harmless, although the dental benefit is consistently unsubstantiated when tested. But a toddler can die from eating too much toothpaste with fluoride, and the effect of fluoride on teeth is to harden them to the point of making them brittle. The bone cancer rate is six times higher among young males in fluoridated communities.

Apart from the ongoing benefit to the aluminum industry and other industries which do not have to dispose of toxic fluoride waste — instead, putting it into the water — the control of the populace via fluoride may be a consideration for ongoing overexposure. After all, there is a lot riding on the public's acceptance of everything from corrupt politics and elections, destruction of nature for profit, and commercial domination of daily living.

And I really thought this was a cool little tidbit

The incidence of heart disease is high and that of cancer is rising rapidly, and this is blamed on smoking, but does not explain why cancer of the lungs and coronaries were uncommon prior to 1945, although billions of cigarettes had been smoked by millions of people; but it does coincide with fluoridation, as does the increase in mouth and breast cancers. In the body Fluoride is converted to Hydrofluoric Acid (3), which is a very strong and corrosive acid, and is a known carcinogen (4). Hydrofluoric Acid will attack glass and destroy it, which is why topical Fluoride is delivered to a dental surgery in plastic containers, and never in glass containers.

Source

Next time your dentist trys to turn you on to fluoride,
Tell him you would prefer that he used some from a glass jar. :shocked:

reply to post by the seeker_713g

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silicofluoride S6 poisons in our water supplies - utter insanity

Hi everyone, just did another email today to our opposition leader in Queensland Australia, asking him to ban silicofluorides. Di Buckland, Kallangur
-Snip-

Dear Mr. Springborg,

I refer to the voluminous Evidence of Harm of silicofluoride S6 poisons in the water supplies which I have previously supplied for your information, awareness, education and appropriate action.

Hereunder is some more material I know you will be very interested in - and in view of the Evidence of Harm, many people are waiting for your commitment that in view of such staggering Evidence of Harm, that you will end silicofluoride S6 poisoning of the water supplies immediately, permanently and irrevocably for the protection of all Australians to remove them from such health endangerment. Please power up THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE.
Perhaps you would also like to put some of the Evidence of Harm I have sent you in a Courier-Mail and The Australian et al newspapers' article to help bring even further awareness of such dangers to the Australian Population.

Could you kindly advise your revised position, and if I may be so bold to say, the only position you or anyone else wishing to win elections could have, is to end silicofluoride S6 poisoning of the water supplies immediately, permanently and irrevocably and remove this health endangerment to the entire population; as is being evidenced around the world.

-Snip-

Please see material below; thank you, Di , Kallangur. -Snip-

www.smh.com.au...
SMH article from 2003 extract:

In 2000, Australia recorded the second-worst levels of fillings, missing teeth and cavities among the OECD for 35- to 44-year-olds, while a recent survey found the rate of gum disease has almost doubled among the over-65 population during the past 14 years. (Di comment: much silicofluoride S6 poisoning of Australia's water supplies already for many years).

Researchers from Westmead Hospital's Institute of Dental Research also released results of new research last month that showed they had discovered more than 20 new species of the Prevotella bacteria, which reside within decaying human teeth.

The institute's director, Professor Neil Hunter, says the bacteria, which have the potential to cause a wide range of infections such as sinusitis, pneumonia, meningitis and wound infections, are becoming more prevalent due to public health measures, including water fluoridation.

"Fluoridated teeth have hard shells but they decay and they hollow," he says. "Fluoride makes the outside of the tooth very hard but they are like a tree - the bark on the outside can appear very hard but the inside can be rotten and you won't discover this until the tree falls over.

(Di comment: this is certainly an admission that "fluoride" is totally ineffective; and we know it's incredibly dangerous..... ineffective + dangerous.. what we've all said all along).
(NB. ALL Australians need access to affordable dentistry + oral hygiene guidance)

"These bacteria invade a tooth when there is a small defect and once they get within the hard surface, there really is not that much stopping them."


.ran out of room, will post another bit after this.

Mod Edit: Removed Personal Information As It Cannot Be Substantiated Through An Online Forum.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by MemoryShock]

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