Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by masonwatcher

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you can ignore the Qur'an, you can ignore the writings of Bukhari, Ishaq, Tabari, and Muslim, and you can even ignore secular history which validates that Islam was only spread by conquest,

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by t0ken

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They have russian ATGM`s that pop merk 4`s so don`t need any US weapons , they also have some manpads as well.

HAMAS only fight israel they don`t operate outside of the area so in one sense can be called `freedom fighters'

Although Israel demanded Egypt reseal the border due to security concerns, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak ordered his troops to allow crossings to alleviate the humanitarian crisis, while verifying that the Gazans did not attempt to bring weapons back to use against Israel.

On a more tangible level,Gaza and Egypt share an 11akmalong border.Control of that border was handed over to Egypt in September of 2005, and another agreement was finalized one month later in which Egypt would share the responsibility of patrolling the boundary with the
newly created EU Border Assistance Mission in Rafah

As part of its disengagement from Gaza in September 2005,the
Israeli army handed over control and security responsibilities of
the Rafah crossing to Egypt,under EU supervision.Since Hamas
took over the Gaza Strip in June 2007, however, the border
has been closed, it was opened only briefly on January 23 2008
with the explosive breach of the six meter high border wall
in which thousands of desperate Gazans flooded into Egypt
to purchase much needed provisions.

Israel only prides in it's war gadgets,israeli soldiers are buncha cowards and weaklings that hide behind their merkavas.

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by John Matrix

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So becasue ol Saddam Insane went on an innocent killing rampage, that gives us the right to go in and do the same thing when he could have been taken out back in 91 when good ol Wushy Bushy Sr. couldnt find him yet CBS news could?


PFFT!!!!

Same situation here with the Israli/Pakistan conflict. The back and forth senseless killing and its always the innocent that end up paying the price.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 26-12-2008 by RFBurns]

When Hamas took over last year in Gaza, Egypt closed the border (Israel also closed its border crossing points to Egypt) and has characterized the Hamas takeover as an illegitimate coup. Although Egypt kept the border closed, the wall had been built by the Israelis before their withdrawal.

While Egypt has at times sought to facilitate negotiations between Hamas and Fatah, it has undeniably seen the Hamas takeover of Gaza last June as a potential threat. Hamas, after all, evolved directly out of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, itself was originally founded under the tutelage of the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. The Egyptian government sees the Brotherhood as its most potent domestic threat.
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Consider this: some press reports and the United Nations have suggested that as many as 700,000 Palestinians entered Egypt from Gaza in the first days after the border break-through.
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Half a million or more Palestinians pouring into northeastern Sinai could easily overwhelm the limited population of northeastern Sinai.
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The flood of pro-Hamas Palestinians into northern Sinai is likely interpreted by the Egyptian security establishment as a direct threat to Egypt’s internal security. The demographic facts on the ground reinforce this.

Israel, meanwhile, is making sounds about getting out of the business of supplying electricity in Gaza now that “the border is open” with Egypt. And because of the likelihood of criticism from other Arab states, Egypt cannot be very open about its fundamental concerns.
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Egypt also is clearly worried about the Israeli effort to shift responsibility for Gaza Egypt, of course has many connections to Gaza.
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Israel was not that eager to remain in Gaza either: it promoted a “Gaza first” approach in the Oslo talks and, of course, withdrew its forces completely from Gaza in 2005. But there are some signs that Israel is leaning towards pressing Egypt to take responsibility for Gaza, something the Egyptians see as a disastrous course.

Immediately after the breach in the border took place, Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai, a former general and member of the Labor Party, (Party leader Ehud Barak, is the defense minister), publicly suggested that now that the border with Egypt was open, Israel should get out of the role of supplying Gaza altogether. He told Army Radio that the disengagement process begun in 2005 “continues in that we want to stop supplying electricity to them, stop supplying them with water and medicine, so that it would come from another place. We are responsible for it as long as there is no alternative.”

Validating what many of us have been saying about the Gazans. No one wants them, or the headache they represent.