everything most of u guys say is fine but remember this it is better to have both yur bases covered. be prepared for both eventualities. dont put all
your eggs in one basket. why does it have to be one thing or the other why cant it be all things.
if 2012 is nothing or something it doent matter, if it is an excuse for us as humans to pull our heads out of our proverbial asses and make a change
for the better who cares what day it is. lets do it tomorrow. but that not how people work. we need to be conned into things. its not the messenger we
should focus on its the message.
so in closing what will happen if nothing happens in 2012 ill be disappointed but then how is that going to be different from any other day.
2012, what happens if nothing happens?, page 3
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with many posts about war, depression, war, and end-of-the-world posts? Because some people are bored stiff, and the thought of a disaster really
excites them. 
along with plenty of caps lock.reply posted on 18-1-2009 @ 02:40 AM by zazzafrazz
Originally posted by St Udio
In Maya cosmology, their Time & their calendar began in 3114BCE,
(the beginnings of 'civilization' in Eur-Asia began ~7,000BCE,
with peoples like the Sumerians & Akkadians et al.)
as I see it, the Maya Calendar is only a subset of human history,
Proof exists there was approximately +4,000 years of recorded human history before the Maya Calendar creation.
~furthermore, it is thought the Maya Calendar was originated
sometime between 300bce-500ce when it became a guideline for
daily living for the Maya population until their demise...~
with this information to consider...
it is not reasonable to think that all humankind's destiny is contained
in the 5,126 years of the Maya Calendar...
[edit on 12-1-2009 by St Udio]
Common sense at last, I wash your feet with my hair for this comment
Can everyone please read St UDIOS comment!!! I know of over 200 failed EOTW predictions, Heck, Ive lived through a handful, and its NOT WORTH THE WORRY PEOPLE, chill out, love your family and friends and if its does come to pass. your gone, but you can go at any time....
Christians in J.C's time belived the end of the world was coming in THEIR lifetime and that he would come and save them. In Matthew 24:34, JC is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, JC predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE.
Some other famous EOTW moments...
1832: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ
1794:Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. pretty much covers how many times the Jehova witnesses have predicted it.
1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974
I'm not even going there with Y2K (cost my company a dang fortune for nothing, what a joke)
and finally one of my personal favourites....
2012: Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code,"
If you truly want to laugh and maybe relax a little on EOTW 2012 stuff watch this...
au.youtube.com...
reply posted on 18-1-2009 @ 03:15 AM by zazzafrazz
reply to post by zazzafrazz
Again....please watch this: Vanilla Ice is just as good at predicting EOTW as the MAYANS
Peace....over and out
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Again....please watch this: Vanilla Ice is just as good at predicting EOTW as the MAYANS
Peace....over and out
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reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 03:48 PM by Snake Plisskin
reply to post by fleabit
It's true. This is how people sell products, how politicians get you to vote for them, how police interrogate a criminal for information, how parents teach kids etc.
The thing is the fear by itself isn't bad. Fear can be used to protect someone (warning children of pedos), feed the economy(lots of services exist purely because people have feared that they couldn't live without it, which is good for jobs) , warn you (in the case of great dangers like your body showing you symptoms of disease which doctors fear could spread) and correct bad behavior. (ie noah warning of the flood for you religious people - it was conditional on how people acted and behaved, a punishment due to save good people from destruction by the bad. The story was not presented as something that was going to happen anyway regardless of what people were doing then, but something that saved good people from all the chaos that was going on)
Fear can have it's good side. The dark side is when the fear is abused and misplaced. It's ok to be prepared, for sure. But remember that causing fear with the intent to mislead people is a different thing. I think this might be one of those things just based on how vague and speculative it all sounds. By saying it's got to happen on X date, you put yourself to an unnecessrily harsh test and play into the hands of the fear mongers who may not have pure intentions like normal people, with the whole scare. 9/11 was one such example: they need you to be paranoid of enemies outside, in the hope that the anger and fear will trigger violence in you (spend more money on weapons) and to justify bringing in martial law. "You have no rights, "show me your papers." That is the dark side to fear.
Everyday they want to think up new ways to condition you to accept their great "change". One such thing is blaming you into thinking you caused the earthquake through modern living, or that if ONLY you had stopped breeding the earth could replenish. Nonsense there is enough food to feed the entire world's population but those who seek to control the supply of the food don't want nature to work that way - to a greedy man out to make profit, this is how they think: you do not give stuff for free even if you could. But they need you to think that "being fruitful and multiplying on earth" is bad so that they can control you more easily. So there is a sinister motive to the "earth worship" cults out there posing as humanitarians. (most of the new age authors I don't trust since they were part of the depopulation agenda for a long time) It all sounds very "UN" in what they are trying to do. "Give up your guns, your right to work, your ability to have a big family, your "outdated" religion, and entrust us as your great leader who will solve all your problems, ..even though we secretly have our own motive for world control and bringing about global socialism and redistribution of your land".
Globalist thinkers need you scared of something before you accept their changes. The central bankers can't convince you to do their evil bidding without using shock tactics or subtle mind control (media, tv, newspapers, "controversial books") to get your attention and raise awareness for movements they put in place to make you think ordinary people came up with the idea and not some rich guy with a nefarious purpose who seeks to profit form changes. If you are thinking of the NWO, you need to spread chaos to create the type of order you need where people are too scared to think for themselves and must rely on you (the manipulator) exclusively to save them. So the solution must be created with the problem in advance so that you can hurry the change before people wake up to what you are doing. For example you can't have famines if people know how to farm. So you destroy crops with disasters and spread diseases to make people non-productive.
[edit on 19-1-2009 by Snake Plisskin]
It's true. This is how people sell products, how politicians get you to vote for them, how police interrogate a criminal for information, how parents teach kids etc.
The thing is the fear by itself isn't bad. Fear can be used to protect someone (warning children of pedos), feed the economy(lots of services exist purely because people have feared that they couldn't live without it, which is good for jobs) , warn you (in the case of great dangers like your body showing you symptoms of disease which doctors fear could spread) and correct bad behavior. (ie noah warning of the flood for you religious people - it was conditional on how people acted and behaved, a punishment due to save good people from destruction by the bad. The story was not presented as something that was going to happen anyway regardless of what people were doing then, but something that saved good people from all the chaos that was going on)
Fear can have it's good side. The dark side is when the fear is abused and misplaced. It's ok to be prepared, for sure. But remember that causing fear with the intent to mislead people is a different thing. I think this might be one of those things just based on how vague and speculative it all sounds. By saying it's got to happen on X date, you put yourself to an unnecessrily harsh test and play into the hands of the fear mongers who may not have pure intentions like normal people, with the whole scare. 9/11 was one such example: they need you to be paranoid of enemies outside, in the hope that the anger and fear will trigger violence in you (spend more money on weapons) and to justify bringing in martial law. "You have no rights, "show me your papers." That is the dark side to fear.
Everyday they want to think up new ways to condition you to accept their great "change". One such thing is blaming you into thinking you caused the earthquake through modern living, or that if ONLY you had stopped breeding the earth could replenish. Nonsense there is enough food to feed the entire world's population but those who seek to control the supply of the food don't want nature to work that way - to a greedy man out to make profit, this is how they think: you do not give stuff for free even if you could. But they need you to think that "being fruitful and multiplying on earth" is bad so that they can control you more easily. So there is a sinister motive to the "earth worship" cults out there posing as humanitarians. (most of the new age authors I don't trust since they were part of the depopulation agenda for a long time) It all sounds very "UN" in what they are trying to do. "Give up your guns, your right to work, your ability to have a big family, your "outdated" religion, and entrust us as your great leader who will solve all your problems, ..even though we secretly have our own motive for world control and bringing about global socialism and redistribution of your land".
Globalist thinkers need you scared of something before you accept their changes. The central bankers can't convince you to do their evil bidding without using shock tactics or subtle mind control (media, tv, newspapers, "controversial books") to get your attention and raise awareness for movements they put in place to make you think ordinary people came up with the idea and not some rich guy with a nefarious purpose who seeks to profit form changes. If you are thinking of the NWO, you need to spread chaos to create the type of order you need where people are too scared to think for themselves and must rely on you (the manipulator) exclusively to save them. So the solution must be created with the problem in advance so that you can hurry the change before people wake up to what you are doing. For example you can't have famines if people know how to farm. So you destroy crops with disasters and spread diseases to make people non-productive.
[edit on 19-1-2009 by Snake Plisskin]
reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 04:31 PM by Snake Plisskin
continued..
the same idea applies to everything:
you can't have a easily persuaded public if you don't buy off all the repsected intellectual figures or control the entertainment industry and own the charismatic role models. These are great tools for mind control and manipulation becaus people's attention is focused on them all the time.
You can't destroy religion without first getting people to believe that people of different beliefs get along without killing each other (killing other humans is something that is forbidden in all the good religions out there). So you create false news and fake reasons for destroying things. They need to control your emotions and get you away from using logic. Reacting to an event, not thinking through the events with your mind. Scare tactics are proven to work in business. The military also uses them to psychologically affect the enemy. In sports and games you use it to taunt your opponent to get him to react in a more predictable way or to make them unfocused. Manipulation of masses of people however requires that everyone groupthink. Merges their brain into one whole. Not thinking individually and clearly. This is why globalism is such a big threat: you all think the solution has to be a global effort, and not indidivual where each person does what they choose to do so long as they don't hurt the other guy on the part of the world they don't have any business interfering with.
Because the elite want to control the world, it is very easy for us to look to them as some humanitarian trying to protect and save people. "Oh we must not drive cars." "We must stop using weapons" "we must have a global currency" "we must have a carbon tax" "we must go to iraq and kill people"
"we must have global consciousness and merge our thoughts together as one and no different opinions" "we must look overseas for jobs to be competitive, not support the local people of the nation who wil go on welfare after they can't find work" "we must tag the human population with RFID" All sorts of really humane things on the surface, brought about because people assume "if you don't do this, ....this tragic thing will happen" and believe in absolutes. That you can't have two people of different opinions and also peace at the same time. That you can't have security, and also respect of privacy at the same time. That you can't have stability, and trust in the money. That you can't have happiness, if you don't hand money to some dodgy cause to fight some non-existent threat. etc
Notice how every globalist idealist that creates problems, is usually pointing the finger of blame on humans? Perhaps the greed of the few is why the earth is doing what it is doing, as a punishment to those who want to control the world. By having nature/god destroying your land which the greedy want to monpolise and control, the evil man can't have his eternal empire with obedient slaves who will serve under him, without also having some kind of event to destroy that very empire to teach the evil man a lesson?
"You worked for nothing. I let you get this far just so that I could watch you witness its destruction. This was never yours to "own". It was mine and you wont be allowed to have your way with my creation unless I say you can."
What's happening is this:
1. those in control just create a staged/engineered disaster to get you scared into global system. (the fear mongering to get closer to the NWO)
www.youtube.com...
where the PTB demand "everyone must give their trust to global leadership"
2. the real disaster happens after; the end of time which was predicted in prophecy. This isn't the same thing. There is no date set on this and no one knows it. It is based more on events as they happen which requires you observe the events in your lifetime for any signs.
[edit on 19-1-2009 by Snake Plisskin]
the same idea applies to everything:
you can't have a easily persuaded public if you don't buy off all the repsected intellectual figures or control the entertainment industry and own the charismatic role models. These are great tools for mind control and manipulation becaus people's attention is focused on them all the time.
You can't destroy religion without first getting people to believe that people of different beliefs get along without killing each other (killing other humans is something that is forbidden in all the good religions out there). So you create false news and fake reasons for destroying things. They need to control your emotions and get you away from using logic. Reacting to an event, not thinking through the events with your mind. Scare tactics are proven to work in business. The military also uses them to psychologically affect the enemy. In sports and games you use it to taunt your opponent to get him to react in a more predictable way or to make them unfocused. Manipulation of masses of people however requires that everyone groupthink. Merges their brain into one whole. Not thinking individually and clearly. This is why globalism is such a big threat: you all think the solution has to be a global effort, and not indidivual where each person does what they choose to do so long as they don't hurt the other guy on the part of the world they don't have any business interfering with.
Because the elite want to control the world, it is very easy for us to look to them as some humanitarian trying to protect and save people. "Oh we must not drive cars." "We must stop using weapons" "we must have a global currency" "we must have a carbon tax" "we must go to iraq and kill people"
"we must have global consciousness and merge our thoughts together as one and no different opinions" "we must look overseas for jobs to be competitive, not support the local people of the nation who wil go on welfare after they can't find work" "we must tag the human population with RFID" All sorts of really humane things on the surface, brought about because people assume "if you don't do this, ....this tragic thing will happen" and believe in absolutes. That you can't have two people of different opinions and also peace at the same time. That you can't have security, and also respect of privacy at the same time. That you can't have stability, and trust in the money. That you can't have happiness, if you don't hand money to some dodgy cause to fight some non-existent threat. etc
Notice how every globalist idealist that creates problems, is usually pointing the finger of blame on humans? Perhaps the greed of the few is why the earth is doing what it is doing, as a punishment to those who want to control the world. By having nature/god destroying your land which the greedy want to monpolise and control, the evil man can't have his eternal empire with obedient slaves who will serve under him, without also having some kind of event to destroy that very empire to teach the evil man a lesson?
"You worked for nothing. I let you get this far just so that I could watch you witness its destruction. This was never yours to "own". It was mine and you wont be allowed to have your way with my creation unless I say you can."
What's happening is this:
1. those in control just create a staged/engineered disaster to get you scared into global system. (the fear mongering to get closer to the NWO)
www.youtube.com...
where the PTB demand "everyone must give their trust to global leadership"
2. the real disaster happens after; the end of time which was predicted in prophecy. This isn't the same thing. There is no date set on this and no one knows it. It is based more on events as they happen which requires you observe the events in your lifetime for any signs.
[edit on 19-1-2009 by Snake Plisskin]
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