Physics and math prove north of citgo flight path entirely possible, page 1
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Topic started on 23-12-2008 @ 11:06 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
It was revealed first here at ATS how even the pseudo-skeptic detractors agree that it is entirely possible for a plane to fly north of the citgo as reported by the witnesses.

See
this thread for a complete history of this "debate".

But even though they admitted they were wrong, their irrelevant and pointless demands for "math" to validate the 13 times corroborated eyewitness north of citgo placement of the plane continued, and admittedly was never met.

Until now.

But just to put this in context I must express how even the very notion of requiring math to validate eyewitnesses is silly. Logical people typically understand how the intellectual world recognizes that eyewitness claims are validated via the scientific method of independent corroboration.

Not math.

But now we have the math too!

And I have to say that Pilots for 911 Truth have outdone themselves with this absolutely brilliant presentation.

There is no argument. The debate is over. I just saw a preview minutes ago and I have to say that I am eternally grateful to P4T for working so hard through the holidays while being in such a position of need as so many of us are.

Please support Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Expect the full release here on the holiday but for now please view the trailer:




reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 01:22 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar



Umm I didn't make it.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth did but the presentation will be available for free tomorrow.

Consider it a Christmas gift to our detractors.

Yes you have lost the "math" argument so now you move the goal posts to the "you don't do enough to bring them to justice argument".

Both arguments are merely straw man tactics that have no bearing on the validity of the evidence.

Plus you don't KNOW what we have done or will continue to do so you have no basis to place judgment on us about this.

In fact if you are willing to level criticism in this regard at all it can only be because you understand how the evidence has merit.

Plus you should also understand how this is no regular crime.

The fact that the media and authorities are reluctant to even entertain evidence of a world wide psychological war crime that has permanently altered global politics and world history implicating the very people that employ them shouldn't be surprising.

We aren't fooling ourselves here and we don't think a crime of this nature can easily be exposed by a couple of citizen investigators with no money.

But we'll keep trying!

Thanks for your concern and your support!

Merry Christmas.


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 08:07 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



I for one found that clip very diss-tasteful in respect to its content.

we are talking about a horrific attack on innocent civilians and whomever created this decided to put a banging track behind it.

This isn't a movie trailer, it's real life, real people died and whomever decided to turn it into some attention grabbing action movie trailer sealed with a merry christmas at the end as if it is some kind of joke needs to check him/her self.

Forgive me if i've insulted anyone


reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 12:18 AM by SlightlyAbovePar
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



No Craig, that's not accurate. We will see where your "math" comes out. By the way, am I to assume you are going to use your own 'witnesses' (the ones who claim the plane hit the building, and did NOT fly over) and present math that correlates to their account(s)?

I know you know exactly the path I am referring to. The only question is do you abandon the path(s) you claim, or which eye-witness do you throw under the bus?

Also, it's not a canard - do you, or don’t you posses the conviction of your professed beliefs? Why continue to waste time presenting snazzy You Tube videos?

If you believe what you claim, how can you simply be content to post endless forum postings and not actually do something?

EDIT: what perfect conspiracy theory!!! No, it's not possible that CIT are two crackpots, no by golly, it's just further evidence of "them" and how far they will go to conceal the "truth"! Like OC Weekly, right? Part of the NWO, no?

Further, I wasn’t aware that bringing your ‘smoking gun’ evidence to a local DA costs money?


[edit on 25-12-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]



reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 04:46 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by infinityoreilly



I shouldn't have to convince you.

It's the witnesses that should convince you.

If you believe the unanimous independent witness accounts regarding the north side approach you have no choice but to accept the flyover.

As far as what caused the damage, since there is no evidence for 2 planes or missiles (everyone only saw 1 plane) and we know there is such a strong precedent set for pre-planted explosives being used at the towers, the most logical conclusion is that nothing hit the Pentagon and that the damage was covertly implemented with strategically planted shape-charges/incendiaries etc. already inside the building.


reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 11:59 PM by SlightlyAbovePar

First of all this was written for "twoofers". That's the only people who will believe it.

Just as predicted it is a combination of disregarding inconvenient witnesses, illusions, incorrect radius calculations and pure unadulterated horse manure. It's not surprising at all that it was done as a cartoon. They could not write this and pull the shenanigans shown.

The FIRST path shows the aircraft impacting near the helipad (pardon me, flying over the helipad) That radius is close enough and the calculations appear to be accurate. So that still rather extreme bank angle is planted in the viewers mind as being aerodynamically possible at FDR speeds, no less! As an after thought it is then mentioned that well, that's not exactly what happened, we'll now adjust it to the impact point.

Now, when it switches to the proper impact point, the razzle dazzle crap begins. The radius is WRONG. The radius for that flight path is approximately 7025'. That computes to a bank angle of 67.4 degrees, 2.6 G's at 460 knots. That flight path from Paik CAN NOT be adjusted to an increased radius and still pass North of the station and to the impact point. Of course, it can be flown at a slower speed and that is implied throughout the cartoon. OHhhhhhh, the innuendo of how that lines up nicely with a runway at Reagan. I'm truly impressed.

Where those huge turn radii and very shallow bank angles are derived from in the latter portion of the cartoon is anyone's guess. It is never clearly stated how and where those radii were derived nor to what flight path they apply. Maybe they are just ignoring Paik (well, his statements are ignored anyway except for what supports the delusion) and the impact point. They can draw any flight path they want if it ignores key witnesses. What does that prove?

A flight path to the North of that station from a straight approach would have never been questioned as to it's aerodynamic probability. It's adhering to where the witnesses place it that makes it aerodynamically impossible.

Note that no vertical pull-up was addressed at all throughout the entire charade. There is a good reason for that. I don't need to specify that as most understand that the calculated bank angle and G forces for the point to point flight path must be maintained in order to arrive at the destinated point. G must be added (as all of the witnesses stated that it was at a very low altitude) in order to fly over the building.

The innuendo of some type of exotic aircraft design was to be expected. It's funny that the witnesses describe a transport category aircraft, but that might be an inconvenient fact. We'll put exotic aircraft in anyway just for grins. Oh, and we'll also throw in a large aircraft at about 35 degrees of bank after take-off executing an idiotic low altitude turn just to show them it can be done. We just won't tell everyone that that's a lesser bank and G than any of our postulated turns require when we adhere to what the witnesses said.

Oh, the irony. The Ranquisamo clones will be all over this. They now have poof that the "Official" flight path was impossible, but the North Flight path is very reasonable. Why? Because Ranquisamo said so and it's in a cartoon.


Decide for yourself.

Hint: this isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
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