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The Bible says: Women defile Men


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reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 09:31 PM by Good Wolf


You have to stand in awe of the hate filled book. I recall reading in the OT a people were commanded to destroy another people by killing all their men, pregnant woman and male children and to take the remaining females as slaves.

Efficient.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:50 AM by jpm06002


this is merely one passage where a few men are saved for not being defiled by woman. it does not need to mention weather men also defile woman or not because that does not matter for these men who are being saved. i do not think this proves the bible is anti woman or anything because men and woman do have different roles in Christianity and it is one case.

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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 09:57 AM by L.I.B.


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Hi,

The more I read, the more I feel people don't like what is put in front of them, so they try to give it a deeper meaning...


That's a very astute point. One day in a forum I had given an analogy of the bible comparing it to a Mario Bros video game, which has secret passageways. That when one secret passageway is found it opens up another entire level and that there were several of these passageways within the bible.

Then, a Jewish fellow informed me that their tradition teaches that there are four levels of understanding to be had from each verse of the bible.

Those levels are:

P [Pshat] - literal, simple -
R [Remez] - parable, allegory -
D [Derasha] - seek, search -
S [Sod] - inner, mystical -

So, you see you are right. There are some people who do give it a deeper meaning because they are actually aware of a deeper meaning.

hi.. no it doesn't make sense. Where in the bible does it say that the soul is a woman?


It doesn't specifically. The Jews from whom the bible comes, however, do teach that the soul is feminine in nature.

Other religions teach the same, which is where I first came across the suggestion.

It took me a long while to apply the concept... thinking of how electricity has a positive and negative polarity as do magnets. The negative (soul) receives from the positive (spirit).

As far as God's view of women... there's a joke I like:

In the beginning, God created... heavens, earth, vegetation, etc and after all that he made man. Lastly, God made woman and seeing that He finally got it right, he quit creating.

I too don't care much for how those who take the literal, simple meaning and allows it to look down on another, or to make God seem evil. However, I do understand how a society that did not have electricity or possibly magnets would use the widely understood male/female analogy to present the concepts of receiving and giving.

Best Wishes to you.





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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 05:52 PM by Anonymous ATS





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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:15 PM by defcon5


Sorry I just realized that this was address at me and I never answered it.

Originally posted by juniperberry
This quote as stated above got me thinking about something. Is there anywhere in the Bible(s) where it specifically states that women should revere God instead of her husband?

Yes, the first commandment. You are to love God above all else, anything you love more then God becomes a false god which you are worshiping. That even includes other family members. You are supposed to:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mark 12:30

Then...
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:31

The whole of the 10 commandments can really be broken down into these two commands. The first 3 commandments (4 if you are Orthodox or Jewish) fall under the first command, to love God. The remaining commands are all about loving your neighbor.

Originally posted by juniperberry
If I recall from reading it (from many years ago), weren't women supposed to always rever/honour/subjugate themselves to their husbands/fathers/sons? Regardless of whatever act of atrocity he did?

The only thing I can think of you having read that might sound like this is:
10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

12 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife? 1Corenthians 7:12-16


Basically according to the bible, despite the fact that God allowed the Jews to Divorce under their laws, he has always hated divorce, and considers it adultery:

The Pharisees approached and asked, "Is it lawful for a husband to divorce his wife?" They were testing him. He said to them in reply, "What did Moses command you?" They replied, "Moses permitted him to write a bill of divorce and dismiss her." But Jesus told them, "Because of the hardness of your hearts he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother (and be joined to his wife), and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate." In the house the disciples again questioned him about this. He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
Mark 10:1-12


So biblically speaking once you marry, its supposed to be for life and if you separate you should remain so until the other party repents and comes back (and there is true repentance and forgiveness). That is pretty hard to live up to, and often put people in harms way (abusive relationships), so many Churches are much more lenient on the topic then they used to be, and allow divorce to slide under the same grounds that Moses did. The last time I checked though, for example, the Roman Catholic church still grants annulments rather then divorces as divorce was for many years an excommunable offense.



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reply posted on 2-1-2009 @ 10:30 PM by marg6043


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For some reason you just make my day baby.

And BTW yes the bible is full of anti women rhetoric written by men that were depriving themselves from Gods command of "going into the world and multiply and be fruitful"



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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:01 AM by defcon5


Originally posted by mystiq
No, the first chapter, Genesis, is a newer book, a newer addition to the scriptures they approved, with an incredible mission, to enforce a slave race, and stamp out equality right in the beginning, much like Sharia law does in Muslim countries, because the feminine energy is cooperative and peaceful and respectful of every child.


How is Genesis newer?
Its part of the original Jewish Torah which dates to at least around 1000 BC. The oldest book of the Bible is Job, but it is not considered with anywhere the level of authority that the books of the Torah are. The Torah, by tradition was given directly to moses by God himself.

I would like to know where you get this information that you put out here from, because it is so incredibly inaccurate.



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