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It sounds like you are talking about something that the Roman Catholic Church did in the inquisition. That is about as far from true Christianity as east is from west. Many do not consider the RCC to even be a Christian organization based on how far they are off actual scripture. Men like Luther, Westly, and Calvin all considered the RCC to be the Beast of Revelations, due to their teaching and actions.

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One final note before I log off. Interesting you state the beast of revelation. I thought about the man from my childhood and then read the beast was a man... so considered that maybe ... he was a beast?

Perhaps that is my personal interpretation though? More than likely...

oh and then the RCC's terrible attrocities/betrayal to children... hmmm







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I can pretty much say that he is not a beast in the biblical sense of the word, though he could potentially be an antichirst. There are three lines of thought on the prophecies in the bible, and two of them came from the group that the third accuses of being one of the beasts. Personally, I believe the third is the true way to read the prophecies, though today it is not the most popular for various political reasons. Preterism, and Futurism are the two schools that originated in the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church, in response to the Protestant Reformation. These schools teach that the Beast is a one time, all powerful, Antichrist “Man” that will appear at some point in history. These two schools where written in response to Martin Luthers accusation that the Pope was in fact the “Little Horn” of Daniel. Anyway, the third school, teaches that that beasts are all world Empires, and the “Little Horn” is a powerful antichrist figure that will reside within one of those beasts.

The beasts go back beyond just Revelations in the Bible, and are based on the prophetic language used by Daniel. If you want to study Prophecy, you need to start out by understanding Daniel, and history very thoroughly. I do not recommend that you start there if you are just beginning to reading the Bible, it is some of the most difficult to understand information in the book, and requires a lot of background information. If you still want to proceed with studying Prophecy anyway you need to know that there is more then one interpretation and why, here is a link to the three schools of interpretation and some of their background info:

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
Christian eschatology

It will also help you to know a lot about Rome, as they are one of the biggest players in Revelations and Daniel, especially the Pontifex Maximus, the person who would later become the Holy Pontiff.

I hope that helps.
Have a nice night.

For some reason. I dont believe that God miss likes any man or woman.

He miss likes what man and woman do. Somewhere in the Bible there is a saying that say. Don't hate the man for the sin he has done. But hate the sin. Or something like that.

Its quite logic. If you punish the man for the sin he has done.You will still have the sin. If you take away the sin you have no one to punish. Peace!

Because a punishment is a sin in it self.




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The bible - a book written by men.

If you can't keep it in your pants, don't blame the women....

You all need to understand that Revelations is about astrology.
All the symbols are from the zodiac and have little to do with prophesy of our time.
The four cherubim as well as other items in Revelation are explained here:

cherubim

reply to post by defcon5

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No, this was the law of the land in Scotland. And they used biblical scripture to carry it forth.

www.general-anaesthesia.com...

This is just the first link I've grabbed. I've read offline articles about this years ago, its history.

The Enki/Enlil crowd, dictator rulers wanted to villify and suppress women because their feminine energy is needed to create civlized humane and evolving societies, such as Norway and the Scandiniavian countries, or as the Hopi's talk about as the new era coming after the end of this coporate paradigm.

The first signs of fascism and oppression is the suppression of women and their cooperative values.

This isn't literal, symbolic of something else.

Women were created to be with men, God performed the first marriage himself.

That's just twisting a scripture all around.

No, the first chapter, Genesis, is a newer book, a newer addition to the scriptures they approved, with an incredible mission, to enforce a slave race, and stamp out equality right in the beginning, much like Sharia law does in Muslim countries, because the feminine energy is cooperative and peaceful and respectful of every child. Not all women are like this. Not all men represent the dog eat dog, winners and losers model our corporate elite, and in the past, the Babylonian overlords of the renegades who rule this planet either. But these basic energies always need to be meshed for an ideal world to emerge. The closest we have to this in modern times is the Scanadinavian countries, in particular, Norway, which has the highest standard of living in the world, year after year, and even, despite their equalizing tax system (lovely cooperation in action that benefits women and children beautifully), they have more after tax dollars in relation to the cost of living than we do. House prices, food and all the necessities are regulated. They live under the highest form of democracy, proportional. Not winner takes all and is our king type. The percentage you vote for is in the house, and this always means a)many new parties pop up and are voted for, because votes arent' wasted and b) many more women get elected!

Norway has an almost 0% murder rate. Non-trauma equals low violent crimes. In fact, since 52% of our population is female, I don't consider any other form of democracy, but proportional and social minded to be democracies. Because the 52% energy is being suppressed. This patriarchal system was instituted in the average person, the slave mind, on purpose by the slave masters, and is responsible for our lack of understanding of everything, from politics to world hunger, to their ugly wars.
It was instituted via Scripture, via Genesis.

Women hold the key. Feminine energies are the answer. And I speak as a mother of 5 boys, who I value very much.

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The temptation to be with and do what a woman wants is what defiles a man comaring his weakness to the flesh and to the spirit. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak is what the garden of Eden seems to suggest. I think that's what makes us vulnerable and basically human/animals.

This is typical human nature. Taking risks with 'unclean' women such as whores etc. defiles a healthy relationship for having children. This could be men or women though. Women might actually be stronger than men in this area and most likely blamed for infidelity and STDs. Men defile women when they leave deposits.


Many religions are sexist. I wonder how a religion by women would treat men as well?

Jesus supposedly tried to correct this poor judgement. I wonder if this influence came from the women around him?

I don't think patriarchy versus matriarchy is the answer. Its the meshing, the combining effectively of the two energies. One is a building, creating and exploring force (shouldn't be a repressive fascist political force of exclusion) the other a cooperative, sharing force that values each person. These two forces are equally needed. Its being out of balance that creates the problem. A religion that was started by women, for women would not benefit the world either. What is needed is for people to understand the scriptures are political propaganda, and that true Spirituality and truth lies within their hearts. They need to use their Scriptures as a historical look at things, and simply take faith to the next level, modern spiritual searches for the Divine.

Hi,

It certainly can be offensive.

The bible uses so much symbolism, it can make a person insane! and has, lol.

Anyhow, the soul is considered to be feminine in nature since it receives. The bible speaks about the soul and how it's carnal desires are what keeps us away from knowing God.

So, if you will consider the soul to be feminine, those verses might make more sense in that the mentioned individuals are those who are not defiled by any characteristics of lust, greed, gluttony, false witness, etc...

Lots of times in the bible when it is speaking of a woman it is actually referring to a person's soul.

Make sense?

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So, we're supposed to take the word 'woman' as a metaphor for the soul, yet we are expected to believe that Moses actually parted the Red Sea with a rod so that the people could walk/ride through it? Or that Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt? Or that the walls of Jericho were destroyed by the sounds of trumpets?

It's not the fault of the Bible that you cannot properly interpret the Scriptures. It's your own reasoning that needs to be tossed out so there is room for understanding of the Scriptures. Do you think you can just pick up something considered Holy, read it over a few times, ask a few questions and then throw it away because you don't understand? We are told that in order to follow the Lamb, we must take up our cross DAILY. That's the tough part, I fail miserably sometimes and then I pick up my cross again and walk a little further. The best personal Scripture advice I can give you is do not throw any more Bible away. But rather than seeking answers to passages that appear to rub you the wrong way, pass over them for now, or sincerely seek His insight to them. He stands at the door, so He is absolutely willing to sup with you, but we have a tendency to over expect that we can behave like little demanding brats and receive insight and understanding. That is not usually the case. Women (as a gender) are very much loved by God. Read the Bible as a whole rather than a piece by piece puzzle and you will see the total opposite of what you're saying regarding females.

Not to mention:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

reply to post by juniperberry

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If someone can accept it and by the doing so are then able to have those passages make sense, why not?



Who's expecting you to?

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hi.. no it doesn't make sense. Where in the bible does it say that the soul is a woman?

The more I read, the more I feel people don't like what is put in front of them, so they try to give it a deeper meaning...

thanks for your imput though.

cheers

wow... can't believe you said it was my fault I don't understand or interperate what is written in the bible



show me, provide the scipture that says that! The bible clearly states, all women are whores.... ALL women.

The bible clearly states that women defile men

So, if the bible states that... where is the scripture that changes what has been writtten?

And being a woman, I should disregard the scripture that refers to me as a whore and consider that God loves me?

Well it is as plain as the nose on my face. I read it. I have studied the bible and I am not going to try and give the words a different meaning, it says what it says...and it doesn't just say it once, it says what it says about women many many times.