I'm just saying here if what the Mayans said really is true than people got their interpretations of the text mixed up. 2012 is really happening right now and people read it wrongly. Just look at what we're going through now. I bet by the end of this financial crisis people will become more enlightened and maybe realize that there is more to life than just money.

How about some sources... or you know, facts.

But i do agree! I think great changes are upon us!

I am not so sure of this. I think the mayans calendar was pretty exact and doubt it would be off by 4 years. Also this financial crisis in my eyes could lead to more people starting to take a look at the fed and its shady ways which is not Armageddon, IMO but more of a good thing. Think of all the people who did not care or didn't even know that the fed was not part of the government, just a private bank. The more people who get mad the more we have a chance to do something about it I hope!

I am still skeptical of the 2012 prophecies being thrown around. Did the Mayans really predict the end of days or just the end of an age?

I think the Mayans are spot on. Earth is moving into 4th density, the times are upon us and things are really gonna start ramping up now. Just wait until next year.. eek!

From my understanding. we are moving between ages. the last one ended in 1987 and we are supposed to experience troubles and catastrophies up until 2012 when the new age starts.

and bluejay is the 4th density you are freferring too the 4th dimension? cause i did read where we are suppose to go through the 4th and 5th dimension and become more enlightened. This if true i am actually looking forward too!

Don't get me wrong, I'm hiding out that week (maybe that month) in 2012 -simply because I suspect many people are going to start acting like fools (like Y2K on steroids), causing trouble because they think the end is near.

Nonetheless, aren't you now force fitting another theory to fit your own interpretation of events?

i read a book once that said the mayan calender is made up of periods of time within periods of time, consisting of "nights" mostly negative times and "days" more positive times.

right now we are in one of the final night periods to happen before 2012.

basically what im saying is that 2012 according to the myans would be the END of "THE END."

so what we are in right now is the end of the world. it is not instantanious.
i doubt many of us will be around to see the END of the END on dec 21 2012.

i tried to exsplain that well, hopefully it made sense.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm just saying here if what the Mayans said really is true than people got their interpretations of the text mixed up. 2012 is really happening right now and people read it wrongly. Just look at what we're going through now. I bet by the end of this financial crisis people will become more enlightened and maybe realize that there is more to life than just money.

No, no, no, dude... you're doing it all wrong. 2012 is the proper date. If the end of the world is too far off, nobody is going to really care. Too soon, and they won't have time to buy your books, pamphlets, survival kits, etc. The trick is to set it the date of the end of the world only a few years in advance. 2012 is close enough to inspire panic, yet far enough away to rake in some nice profit before the ruse is up.

Seriously, those wishing to place some relational value comparing the Gregorian and Mayan long count calendars are comparing apples to horses.
The Mayan calendar is astrologically based, and 2012 is just where it happens to end in Gregorian reckoning.
It doesn't matter how far off some "true reckoning" by anno domni is---12/21/2012 is where the astrological placement will arrive.
As for some great end of all things, balderdash.
The Mayan (among many others) have several calendars of different lengths of years.

I predict that the same thing will happen at the end of the Mayan calendar that happened at the "great turning" of our century calendar.

Anyone remember Y2K?

I also predict that 12/22/2012 someone will come up with a divergence proving that 2012 actually occurs in 2020.

well, the sooner the better.

its not the mayans that got it wrong. the gregorian calendar is off because of why? answering that will show you that yes, it IS truelly 2012...

a full understanding of tuns and baktuns and the way the three cycles fit together will greatly enlighten this perspective...

dont just take anothers word for it, research it for yourself...

Originally posted by thetruthhurts78cause i did read where we are suppose to go through the 4th and 5th dimension and become more enlightened. This if true i am actually looking forward too!

Enlightenment doesn't happen that easily, it's attained with much hardship, discipline, and it can take many years. It's usually a trait born out of adversity.

If it's going to be a sudden change with little to no effort(or rather exciting or pleasurable), there's something terribly wrong with it.

I'll have to say the obvious - mind control.

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How could they get the end and restarting of their own calendar wrong?

It's like saying we were wrong about the year ending on December 31st, it is really November 3rd.

It is a calendar! That is it! It ends, it restarts. Let it go!

I quess this is as good a place as any to say that your post maybe spot on!
If you look at the history it seems to leave a plausible pattern concerning time and the calander. I believe that dating back to the origins of our Christian / Roman calander people in the "know" have tried to change our perception of actual time, as opposed to our naturaly installed universal time clock. The Chinese actually have the most seemingly accurate calander. The Mayans and Ancient Eygptians, as well. I believe that the purpose of this is not to alarm us and give an actual time for when governments won't be in control, and the precious / fragile reality we live in shall cease to exist.
It seems lately we have actually been readjusting time ( like the 2 times by Congress, just lately ) to bring it back more in allignment with our ancient calanders and just in time for 2012. In realation to what you posted.. We could be so far off, from those ancient and true calanders that we could be off by, as much as, 3, 4, or 5 years. Which could be around ( YUP) 2007, 2008, 2009. I also took Ben Franklin's 'daylight savings time' in to account. To steal 5 years from us, over the time of centuries is totaly plausible.

just a thought

OK--

About two weeks ago I was going to post a thread about this very topic. I have been extraodinarily busy though, and just havent had the time to finish my gathering of info on this.

BUT---

This is a quick rundown of it--

A couple years ago, my wife and I watch two shows that aired on the History Channel, over the course of a week. The first show was ONLY about the Gregorian Calendar and it's origins. During that episode, they said that Aloysius Lilius had made an error in our calendar that was never corrected. The Gregorian Calendar was a revision of the Julian Calendar, created by Julius Caeser. Pope Gregory XIII decreed it's use in 1582, to correct the Julian Calendars leap year problems.

BUT!!!!

The man who proposed the Gregorian Calendar, Aloysius Lilius, had made a mistake when calculating the time. The calendar is based on the reigns of Roman Emperors, and an error of THREE TO FOUR YEARS was made! There was a Roman Emporer who began his first 3-4 years under a different name, thus was counted as a different ruler, adding four years to the calendar that shouldnt haved been there.

The next show on the History Channel we watched was about the 2012 doomsday theory, and my wife and I looked at eachother and said, "wait, dosent that mean that 2012 is actually 2009, according to the correct Gregorian Calendar?"

And to the post that said you cant take a date from the Mayan Calendar and apply it to the Gregorian......The two calendars are the two most accurate in the world!

So depending on what you believe to be true, you can accurately fold the two calendars together in that way.

I'm not exactly saying I believe that the world will end on 2012, but shouldnt we find it wierd that SO MANY different civilizations and people, from SO MANY different times in history, (including: the Mayans, the Bible Code, Nostradamus, Edgar Casey, the Hopie? Indians, the Chinese I Ching Book of Changes, I could go on!) all have a prediction pointing to catastrophic change coming on or around DECEMBER 12, 2012 ?

I wish I had had the time to properly thread this with all the links, but here it is folks!

ANY QUESTIONS???????????

BTW----

Star and flag Fran--

Thanks for the thread!

My personal take on 2012? Normally nothing would happen, but those in power know that many in the population expect a disaster, and will use that to their advantage to do horrific things, and people will blame it on 2012 because they expect it.