Brutal gang rape of lesbian investigated in San Francisco Bay area, page 1

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Topic started on 23-12-2008 @ 02:10 PM by Leo Strauss

Here is the link.

A woman in the San Francisco Bay area was jumped by four men, taunted for being a lesbian, repeatedly raped and left naked outside an abandoned apartment building, authorities said Monday.

Detectives say the 28-year-old victim was attacked Dec. 13 after she got out of her car, which bore a rainbow gay pride sticker. The men, who ranged from their late teens to their 30s, made comments indicating they knew her sexual orientation, said Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan.

This article caught my attention as related to the recent Prop 8 discussions.

This is so sad the level of brutality! Hate Crime yes.

Gay rights advocates note that hate crimes based on sexual orientation have increased nationwide as of late. There were 1,415 such crimes in 2006 and 1,460 in 2007, both times making up about 16 percent of the total, according to the FBI.

By denying rights, ostracizing and stigmatizing gays we create a climate where this type of hate grows.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:32 PM by sos37

Don't you think that maybe incidents like this, especially in the Bay Area, are most likely being caused by the gay/lesbian community not accepting the majority opinion of California voters on Prop 8 and seeking alternatives to overturn Prop 8? So instead of accepting that the majority of Californians aren't ready to accept gay/lesbian marriages RIGHT NOW and waiting another few years (because as the older generation dies off, the newer generation is far more accepting of these unions) and voting on the matter again, their sour grapes attitude combined with their constant whining at losing to Prop 8 is what's causing the heightened tensions lately.

In addition, they seek to undo the workings of Democracy by having the will of the majority overturned. They want their way to be observed, even though a fair election took place and they lost.

Add to that, we're now seeing the so-called "peaceful" gay/lesbian community turning vicious, for example mobbing a group of Christians who gathered publicly to pray on the issue.

I think that's what is causing this sort of tension right now.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:34 PM by Fett Pinkus

reply to post by sos37

so your saying that its the lesbians fault getting raped?

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:46 PM by sos37

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
reply to post by sos37

so your saying that its the lesbians fault getting raped?

Is that what you think I'm saying?

Are you saying it's the anti-gay/lesbian group's fault the lesbian was assaulted?

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:18 PM by Uniceft17

Originally posted by sos37
Don't you think that maybe incidents like this, especially in the Bay Area, are most likely being caused by the gay/lesbian community not accepting the majority opinion of California voters on Prop 8 and seeking alternatives to overturn Prop 8? So instead of accepting that the majority of Californians aren't ready to accept gay/lesbian marriages RIGHT NOW and waiting another few years (because as the older generation dies off, the newer generation is far more accepting of these unions) and voting on the matter again, their sour grapes attitude combined with their constant whining at losing to Prop 8 is what's causing the heightened tensions lately.

In addition, they seek to undo the workings of Democracy by having the will of the majority overturned. They want their way to be observed, even though a fair election took place and they lost.

Add to that, we're now seeing the so-called "peaceful" gay/lesbian community turning vicious, for example mobbing a group of Christians who gathered publicly to pray on the issue.

I think that's what is causing this sort of tension right now.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

Is it really fair for the majority to vote on the rights that a minority seeks?
This should have been kept in court, and the ruling should have been final. It's unconstitutional to tell someone they can't get married because the person is the same sex as them. And that has already been found so many years ago, but the majority keeps pushing their opinion on the minority.

But eventually it won't work, history tells us that.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:23 PM by lizziejayne

A lawyer once told me that in his experience, rape was less to do with sex and more to do with demonstrating power and control.

IMO this could have equally be caused by four pathetic men trying to exert their control over a female whom, as a lesbian, they may have considered to be outside their realm of "control".

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:26 PM by Leo Strauss

Originally posted by sos37

Add to that, we're now seeing the so-called "peaceful" gay/lesbian community turning vicious, for example mobbing a group of Christians who gathered publicly to pray on the issue.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

Comparing an angry group of gays running off a group of "christian" provocateurs to a lesbian woman who was beaten and gang raped all the while taunted for for her sexual orientation is just so wrong and I would have thought beneath even you. I guess I was wrong.

Blame the victim. She's a lesbian and had it coming in some twisted logic in your head. Sick.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:27 PM by AshleyD

reply to post by sos37

Hello. SOS. Usually I enjoy reading your perspective but your post above honestly made me cringe. Whether or not what you mention has any bearing on this crime, the fact of the matter is the victim is only one person.

I have to agree with Fett. Right or wrong, his/her impression received from your post is the same one I received as well. So either you were using the recent events of proposition 8 to (at the very least) explain or (at the very most) justify the rape or you were bringing up something not necessarily relevant to this incident.

The woman was a single individual who was raped. She is not the gay and lesbian community. To even bring up the recent controversy suggests you are saying this would not have happened to her had the homosexuals not been 'whining' or 'trying to overturn democracy.'

Again, she is a person, that is a movement. In this incident, the guilt falls on the rapists alone.

[edit on 12/23/2008 by AshleyD]

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:33 PM by greeneyedleo

By denying rights, ostracizing and stigmatizing gays we create a climate where this type of hate grows.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Even if laws are changed to allow gay marriage, etc., we will still have disgusting evil people in this world who will still commit these horrendous crimes against those they hate.

Its nearly impossible to change some people's mindset and force them to accept something they abhor. Even if the law says: they are equal.

With all that said, my heart and prayers go out to that girl

I hope she can find the strength to carry on and not let this ruin the rest of her life

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:33 PM by Fett Pinkus

reply to post by sos37

its probably down to the fact that the lesbian had a bumper sticker

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:42 PM by dr_strangecraft

I think all of you have made cogent points.

I think that the 4 males are at fault. I suspect that they felt inadequate in the presence of a woman who de facto rejects them as males. And they obviously had such fragile identities that they retreated into the sort of violent tribalism that is at the core of most mob violence---reaffirming the (endangered) group by attacking the "threat."

It sad that she was attacked for having a sticker on her car.

But that's not society's fault--it's the fault of the perps. Nor would re-legalizing gay marriage in california somehow magically have prevented this crime.

I'm not a criminal. But I think a lot of folks in the majority are invited to fall into the prejudice of thinking of the gay community as an enemy.

The fact that they insist that the rest of us re-define our institutions to suit them, and their name calling when we refuse, certainly makes them seem like an aversary.

.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:45 PM by Valhall

Originally posted by sos37
Don't you think that maybe incidents like this, especially in the Bay Area, are most likely being caused by the gay/lesbian community not accepting the majority opinion of California voters on Prop 8 and seeking alternatives to overturn Prop 8? So instead of accepting that the majority of Californians aren't ready to accept gay/lesbian marriages RIGHT NOW and waiting another few years (because as the older generation dies off, the newer generation is far more accepting of these unions) and voting on the matter again, their sour grapes attitude combined with their constant whining at losing to Prop 8 is what's causing the heightened tensions lately.

So you're saying that because the gay community is whining they have caused this gang rape and brutal beating?

Is that what you're saying?

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:45 PM by LordBaskettIV

Where was her pepper spray, where was her gun? Cops can't protect a woman against rape weather shes gay or not. Until the minority wakes up and arms themselves, this will always happen.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:48 PM by marg6043

This all I am going to say, castrate the four bastards that did the attacks on the woman.

Obviously it needed 4 men to ge enough cojones to rape so that tells how low and despicable and lets no forget cowards they were.

And that is all I will say.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:59 PM by dr_strangecraft

I strongly suspect they were about to rape her, regardless of any stickers on her car. Would her claims of heterosexuality have saved her from this fate?

Most US males would consider group sex (with 4 men and 1 woman) to be less than convincing proof of masculinity. I suspect this is more about membership in the group for the males, more so even than about power or individual prowess.

Tragic. She will be affected the rest of her life by their stupidity.

So will they, even if it hasn't occured to them yet.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:13 PM by sos37

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
reply to post by sos37

its probably down to the fact that the lesbian had a bumper sticker

(Rethinking) That MAY BE what triggered the incident. The underlying motive for the crime - only the criminals who raped the woman really know what this was all about. Then again, this may have been four guys planning a gang rape and the targeted female just happened to be a lesbian and have a gay pride sticker on her car. It's the press that may be running away with this story simply because of the presence of that sticker.

AshleyD, I think there was some confusion as to what I posted. I am not at all saying that the woman deserved to be raped because she is a lesbian. If I believed that then I might as well say that a white man who was beat up in Watts or Harlem because he was white deserved what he got.

I was answering Leo's statement that the gay/lesbian rights issue is causing the problem. The article says that acts of gay/lesbian hate are on the rise as of late. I was stating I believed it to be the result of the gay/lesbian community's intolerance of the workings of Democracy when it doesn't serve their purpose.

Someone else mentioned it being a statement of power, men violating something in nature which they would normally not have access to - I find very plausible and an excellent point.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:16 PM by sos37

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by sos37
Don't you think that maybe incidents like this, especially in the Bay Area, are most likely being caused by the gay/lesbian community not accepting the majority opinion of California voters on Prop 8 and seeking alternatives to overturn Prop 8? So instead of accepting that the majority of Californians aren't ready to accept gay/lesbian marriages RIGHT NOW and waiting another few years (because as the older generation dies off, the newer generation is far more accepting of these unions) and voting on the matter again, their sour grapes attitude combined with their constant whining at losing to Prop 8 is what's causing the heightened tensions lately.

So you're saying that because the gay community is whining they have caused this gang rape and brutal beating?

Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying it's a possibility, yes. Four members of the anti-gay crowd retaliating in the only despicable way they know how against a group who cannot accept the majority decision and seeks to overturn Prop 8.

What, do you think that's not a *possible reason at all?

[edit on 23-12-2008 by sos37]

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:16 PM by Leo Strauss

reply to post by greeneyedleo

At one time it was OK to lynch an African American in the south. Not legal mind you, but the cops or the law did not offer equal protection to African Americans. It was a state of mind that somehow blacks were less than other citizens. Then things changed, slowly, but they changed. That's my point.

reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:38 PM by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
Where was her pepper spray, where was her gun? Cops can't protect a woman against rape weather shes gay or not. Until the minority wakes up and arms themselves, this will always happen.

Armed gays dont get bashed.

www.pinkpistols.org...

Conceald carry comes in handy for Fort Smith woman

Gays and guns

Mark Nichols distinctly remembers being in his gym’s empty parking lot at night when a man who had followed him out after his workout started shouting anti-gay epithets at him.

“He told me he was sick of faggots being in the gym,” said Nichols, 48, of Atlanta.

What kept Nichols calm was the handgun he kept in his gym bag that he was legally entitled to carry with a permit.

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