If homosexuality is such a terrible sin, why is it not in the ten commandments?

reply to Allpost by asmeone2

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No, homosexuality is not one of the ten commandments, but it is listed in Leviticus, Chapter 19 as a no-no. Before that, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of homosexuality. Jesus was with God BEFORE He became a Man. He came to live a perfect life under the Jewish Law and then endure the wrath of God on OUR behalf. I would tend to agree with you that Christians seem to place homosexuality as the number one sin, and that is wrong. Sin is sin and none of us are free of it. If we were, we would not need the salvation of Christ. We incorrectly state our need as being freed from our sins. Not so, our need is being freed from SIN which is inbred in all mankind. Goodness would be "right doing". Our need is "right being", i.e. a proper relationship to God which has been provided by Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and validated by his Resurrection. Love is the answer; and acceptence of one another is part of that love. The greatest sin is pride, or self conceit. Pride is what made the devil the devil. Live your life, and let the hetero's live theirs.

So... is rape alright? Cause... the 10 Commandments dont mention anything like "you shall not rape". Still we know its wrong...

So tell me op, do you actually need someone to tell you not to eat # to prevent you from eating it? Some things you just know its wrong... and they're not in the 10 Commandments. Rape, torture, some forms of "population control" like in china, abuse drugs, have sex with animals, etc... come on.

reply to post by dr_strangecraft

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Of course not, it would be stupid to disregard wisdom from the past. However, all that we need to know regarding salvation IS retained in the NEW Testament. The old testament tells how to be saved before Christ while the new testament explains how to be saved after Christ.

Did you not read any of the previous posts? Your reply to my post reads as though you jumped in in the middle of this and failed to see that we had cover that in previous posts.

I should make myself clear - I understand that my point of view is not universal. I accept that you interpret the Bible, and it's words, to mean one thing, while people with other views interpret the meanings differently. I accept you and your beliefs and your lifestyle - I am asking that you accept mine as well.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by archetype_one]

reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo

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Yeah well, the OP has no respect for the Bible or the God thereof; nor for that matter the faith-lives of anybody basing their view of human sexuality on religious "dogma."

It's just another shot taken at anyone who uses religion or philosophy as a basis for decision-making. The human elite wants to be the sole source of authority, and so it is dismantling any institution that might inhibit people's behavior, or make them.....question (secular) authority.

all the best, good sir knight.

Why don't you reply to me directly if you want to levy personal insults?

While you're at it, why don't you read the OP?

You will find that my post refered to the way that I felt that modern Christianity places undue emphasis on the sin of homosexuality, and should be more concerned with the basic tenants of honesty, morality, and truth within their own churches before they go and pick at other people's private lives.

Honestly, how immature of you to equate my questioning of whether Christianity might be a bit out of line with its own text with insulting everyone who follows the faith or (I had a laugh at this) being part of the "Elite."

reply to post by rcwj75

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well if GOD never saw this type of behavior happening where is His so-called OMNIPOTENCE?


Saying that God never thought that His creations would do those types of things...well needless to say you just proved your own belief system as false (not saying it is though).

Because if you want to follow what the Bible says, God knows all sees all does all, and mankind is made in His image.

That means God is both male and female, it means that every aspect of our selves is part of Him, it means that everything from the purest good to the vilest evil is His.

He created every single one of us, he knows our thoughts, our actions everything. Then He MUST have seen homosexuality somewhere deep down in there. Because if it really was such an abomination why create beings who would be gay or lesbian at all?

See what I'm saying?

I hear animals are into homoeroticism too!

The Gay Animal Kingdom

So you don't think I'm just using a gay website as my source here are several others.
Wiki: Animal Sexual Behaviour
1500 Animal Species practice Homosexuality

It's stated in the Bible that God also created all wildlife...so that means he made the gay ones too!

-JR


edit: adding more than just a one-liner


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There are 613 commandments, laws and statutes. They go into detail about all the crimes many have brought up, plus many you didn't. The ten commandments are a moral mirror. I stand in front of them and ask myself have I lied? Well the answer is yes, have I coveted? yes, adultery? yes, stolen? yes. Have I hated someone? yes. That makes me a lying, murdering, thief, adulterer. If you are honest with yourself. You will see that it is impossible to live up to just 10 of the commandments. I even tried to tell myself that it happened along time ago. Unfortunately time doesn't forgive sin.

If it wasnt for grace no one would make it. Even when born again many think that that person becomes sinless. It should have been interpreted as two words. I will try and SIN LESS. I wont be as good at it as I was in the past, but I will still have sin in my life. Thats why I need Jesus because Im no where nears good enough.

The seven "deadly" sins are talked about in proverbs and they are not what you would think. Lying, bearing false witness and five others I cant think of but will look up, rank amongst the top. Sexual sins aren't mentioned.

I feel like I need to emphasis that adultary does not inextricably mean homosexuality. Adultary means a sexual relationship outside of marraige. True, some of these may be homosexual, but adultary simply means breaking of marraige vows and one cannot honestly say that all sexual sins fall under adultary.

Matthew 22


This is the understanding you need to know. As for which specific number you would be breaking, rape would fall under #10, or theft, take your pick.

reply to post by badmedia

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Actually... I wonder.... I remember a bible verse in Levitical law saying that in some cases the woman was at fault if she was raped! Like, if she didn't cry out or something. I don't know the exact text though.

reply to post by dr_strangecraft

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Leviticus 18:22 is part of the Levitical law that was abolished by Christ.

Romans 1:24 doesn't even mention homosexuality.

I think you meant to quote Romans 1: 26-27

26 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27 - In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

My answer to Roman 1:26-27 is that lust is considered a sin even for heterosexuals. The last sentence is separate form the one preceding it and we cannot assume the indecent acts were sexual in nature. The passage does not expound upon what indecent acts/perversions were performed until you get to verses 28-32:

28 - Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

29 - They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

30 - slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

31 - they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

32 - Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Again, where does it say the perversions were homosexual in nature or even sexual for that matter? If you look back at verses 18-23 you will see this behavior was God's punishment for idolatry and turning away from God. I do not worship idols and I have not turned my back on God. In my opinion these verses do not apply to me or my lifestyle.

And sorry, but no, I was not quoting anyone when I mentioned the words used in the old testament - I went to seminary school, I grew up in the church, I am capable of drawing my own conclusions from the Bible.

How does an ancient word "Malchoi" that means "plush" have anything to do with me, my lifestyle and homosexuality? As for the second word "arsenokoitai" (to quote you) "man-effers", how does that include lesbianism which, BTW, is a form of homosexuality? So you see, it's not a real accurate translation to the modern word homosexuality. My statement holds true to me, the words Malchoi and arsenokoitai do not accurately translate, they are simply not one-for-one. It's a loose translation at best and simply not enough to convince me that God condemns homosexuals.

The translation of text IS what's causing all the fuss for me because you are attempting to discount my lifestyle on nothing more than semantics!


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The old testament is really just an example of people without understanding. Whenever you see someone quoting stuff like that, it's because they lack understanding. And laws like that are built off that same lack of understanding. Which is the reason Jesus had to come to being with - to fufill the law(to bring understanding to the law). And thus in his example you can understand the true meaning of the laws, which is what I posted.

This is funny, I remember reading in the Bible that a women can't speak in church if she has a question has to wait till she gets home to ask her husband. Also doesn't it say that when a women has her period she is considered unclean for 7 days and anything she touches during those 7 days is unclean too, how can we allow these unclean women in the work environment. Also the bible says its ok to sell your daughter and tells you how much silver you should sell her for. And it also says a man with long hair is foolish, from Sunday school I remember Jesus having long hair. WOW.

Ok if we are reading the bible literally looks like I will be offending a lot of women when I ask them if they are on their cycle. I need to know who is unclean to keep away from them.

reply to post by badmedia

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That was directed towards the guy at the top of the page who was suggesting that rape was so bad we wouldn't need to be told not to doit.

reply to post by rcwj75

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You seem to ascribe much power to "God" ...

But if God is all-knowing, all-present...(having all the powers of the "Christian" God) ... He should have had the infinite wisdom and foresight to foresee such "perversions" of his creation.

Your statements make God seem like a game player sitting a desk playing "The Sims" -- which is not what the scriptures tell us about our "creator"

To be a creator is to accept and take on the responsibility of the creations one makes -- to be "all knowing" and "all powerful" and live "outside of time".

God created gay people -- for what reason I do not know. But to claim that it was "not imagined" by him is to belittle and quite frankly, underestimate the creator of the known universe.

The things you mention are what are called "religious dogma" -- interpretations by imperfect men twisting and using "fear" or God for their own behalf.

Such dogma is the reason true "spirituality" does not flourish in our world today. To many weak-minded people take others words as pure "fact".

How do we know what "heaven" looks like? The information we are given is all second-hand.

Religions are the cause of great enlightenment and yet the scourge of humanity -- creating genocide and inciting tyrannical leaders to impose their hold over mindless and easy to manipulate masses.

Wow. You're comparing rape to two consenting adults who were born this way.

The people who defend this position demonstrate over and over again how they are no different than those that used to say blacks were sub-human and unworthy of human rights.

Well, in Nevada (where prostitution is legal) -- not paying a "hooker" is "rape"?

Rape is a subjective term, ambigious to social mores and setting.

A core value system would not include every single act against humanity...

EDIT: When I say rape is subjective, I refer to the fact that the term/crime is very different in cultures around the world. In some cultures, women are "supposed" to refuse even marital sex -- and say "no".

Rape does not clearly mean world-wide as a "she said no" -- perhaps she did not want to participate but knew she must as a way of her tribe, as her mother and grandmother before her did. Is that still rape? Rape becomes blurred when mixed amongst cultural boundaries. Keep that in mind.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by MystikMushroom]

The word Fornication covers the sin of homosexuality ...and lesbianism .etc .

1) illicit sexual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

2) metaph. the worship of idols

a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
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