If homosexuality is such a terrible sin, why is it not in the ten commandments? , page 7

reply to Allpost by asmeone2

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No, homosexuality is not one of the ten commandments, but it is listed in Leviticus, Chapter 19 as a no-no. Before that, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of homosexuality. Jesus was with God BEFORE He became a Man. He came to live a perfect life under the Jewish Law and then endure the wrath of God on OUR behalf. I would tend to agree with you that Christians seem to place homosexuality as the number one sin, and that is wrong. Sin is sin and none of us are free of it. If we were, we would not need the salvation of Christ. We incorrectly state our need as being freed from our sins. Not so, our need is being freed from SIN which is inbred in all mankind. Goodness would be "right doing". Our need is "right being", i.e. a proper relationship to God which has been provided by Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and validated by his Resurrection. Love is the answer; and acceptence of one another is part of that love. The greatest sin is pride, or self conceit. Pride is what made the devil the devil. Live your life, and let the hetero's live theirs.

reply to post by dr_strangecraft

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Of course not, it would be stupid to disregard wisdom from the past. However, all that we need to know regarding salvation IS retained in the NEW Testament. The old testament tells how to be saved before Christ while the new testament explains how to be saved after Christ.

Did you not read any of the previous posts? Your reply to my post reads as though you jumped in in the middle of this and failed to see that we had cover that in previous posts.

I should make myself clear - I understand that my point of view is not universal. I accept that you interpret the Bible, and it's words, to mean one thing, while people with other views interpret the meanings differently. I accept you and your beliefs and your lifestyle - I am asking that you accept mine as well.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by archetype_one]

reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo

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Yeah well, the OP has no respect for the Bible or the God thereof; nor for that matter the faith-lives of anybody basing their view of human sexuality on religious "dogma."

It's just another shot taken at anyone who uses religion or philosophy as a basis for decision-making. The human elite wants to be the sole source of authority, and so it is dismantling any institution that might inhibit people's behavior, or make them.....question (secular) authority.

all the best, good sir knight.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo

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Yeah well, the OP has no respect for the Bible or the God thereof; nor for that matter the faith-lives of anybody basing their view of human sexuality on religious "dogma."

It's just another shot taken at anyone who uses religion or philosophy as a basis for decision-making. The human elite wants to be the sole source of authority, and so it is dismantling any institution that might inhibit people's behavior, or make them.....question (secular) authority.

all the best, good sir knight.

Why don't you reply to me directly if you want to levy personal insults?

While you're at it, why don't you read the OP?

You will find that my post refered to the way that I felt that modern Christianity places undue emphasis on the sin of homosexuality, and should be more concerned with the basic tenants of honesty, morality, and truth within their own churches before they go and pick at other people's private lives.

Honestly, how immature of you to equate my questioning of whether Christianity might be a bit out of line with its own text with insulting everyone who follows the faith or (I had a laugh at this) being part of the "Elite."

reply to post by rcwj75

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well if GOD never saw this type of behavior happening where is His so-called OMNIPOTENCE?


Saying that God never thought that His creations would do those types of things...well needless to say you just proved your own belief system as false (not saying it is though).

Because if you want to follow what the Bible says, God knows all sees all does all, and mankind is made in His image.

That means God is both male and female, it means that every aspect of our selves is part of Him, it means that everything from the purest good to the vilest evil is His.

He created every single one of us, he knows our thoughts, our actions everything. Then He MUST have seen homosexuality somewhere deep down in there. Because if it really was such an abomination why create beings who would be gay or lesbian at all?

See what I'm saying?

I hear animals are into homoeroticism too!

The Gay Animal Kingdom

So you don't think I'm just using a gay website as my source here are several others.
Wiki: Animal Sexual Behaviour
1500 Animal Species practice Homosexuality

It's stated in the Bible that God also created all wildlife...so that means he made the gay ones too!

-JR


edit: adding more than just a one-liner


[edit on 23-12-2008 by bandaidctrl]

[edit on 23-12-2008 by bandaidctrl]

reply to post by badmedia

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Actually... I wonder.... I remember a bible verse in Levitical law saying that in some cases the woman was at fault if she was raped! Like, if she didn't cry out or something. I don't know the exact text though.

reply to post by dr_strangecraft

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Leviticus 18:22 is part of the Levitical law that was abolished by Christ.

Romans 1:24 doesn't even mention homosexuality.

I think you meant to quote Romans 1: 26-27

26 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27 - In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

My answer to Roman 1:26-27 is that lust is considered a sin even for heterosexuals. The last sentence is separate form the one preceding it and we cannot assume the indecent acts were sexual in nature. The passage does not expound upon what indecent acts/perversions were performed until you get to verses 28-32:

28 - Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

29 - They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

30 - slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

31 - they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

32 - Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Again, where does it say the perversions were homosexual in nature or even sexual for that matter? If you look back at verses 18-23 you will see this behavior was God's punishment for idolatry and turning away from God. I do not worship idols and I have not turned my back on God. In my opinion these verses do not apply to me or my lifestyle.

And sorry, but no, I was not quoting anyone when I mentioned the words used in the old testament - I went to seminary school, I grew up in the church, I am capable of drawing my own conclusions from the Bible.

How does an ancient word "Malchoi" that means "plush" have anything to do with me, my lifestyle and homosexuality? As for the second word "arsenokoitai" (to quote you) "man-effers", how does that include lesbianism which, BTW, is a form of homosexuality? So you see, it's not a real accurate translation to the modern word homosexuality. My statement holds true to me, the words Malchoi and arsenokoitai do not accurately translate, they are simply not one-for-one. It's a loose translation at best and simply not enough to convince me that God condemns homosexuals.

The translation of text IS what's causing all the fuss for me because you are attempting to discount my lifestyle on nothing more than semantics!


[edit on 23-12-2008 by archetype_one]

reply to post by badmedia

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That was directed towards the guy at the top of the page who was suggesting that rape was so bad we wouldn't need to be told not to doit.

reply to post by rcwj75

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So the reason GOD never put the rule on the 10 Commandments is because not even he saw this kind of behavior coming!

You seem to ascribe much power to "God" ...

But if God is all-knowing, all-present...(having all the powers of the "Christian" God) ... He should have had the infinite wisdom and foresight to foresee such "perversions" of his creation.

Your statements make God seem like a game player sitting a desk playing "The Sims" -- which is not what the scriptures tell us about our "creator"

To be a creator is to accept and take on the responsibility of the creations one makes -- to be "all knowing" and "all powerful" and live "outside of time".

God created gay people -- for what reason I do not know. But to claim that it was "not imagined" by him is to belittle and quite frankly, underestimate the creator of the known universe.

The word Fornication covers the sin of homosexuality ...and lesbianism .etc .

1) illicit sexual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

2) metaph. the worship of idols

a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
www.blueletterbible.org...

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