Originally posted by DangerDeath
A bunch of terrorists fanatics cannot fly such big planes with such precision. It's impossible.

Of course it's possible. The mythbusters were able to land a 747 in a simulator with only someone giving instruction over speaker, with no practice and any pilot will tell you the hardest thing to do is land.

You need very sophisticated means to do that.

No you don't.

Those buildings were prepared to explode.

Show evidence to support this conclusion. REAL EVIDENCE, not opinion.

Every structure has sensitive spots. All you need is to remove/destroy them.

Then the whole structure will collapse. You can't hit them with planes. Planes were used as a camouflage.

Why couldn't a plane hit the supposed sensitive spots ???

Does anyone know if there are any thermal aka infrared pictures from 9/11? If it was a DEW wouldn't a thermal image show a great amount of heat? I guess it really depends on what type of DEW was used if any.

Very interesting theory. Parts of it seem pretty far fetched but other parts seem to have solid points. You have a mind that thinks outside the box, that's for sure!

My point is that the whole DEW thing is simply not possible.

Well, I respect your right to your opinion, but I think to say that something is not possible is a bit naieve.

In the dark ages, it was not possible to sail around the world. In the 1500's it was not possible for the earth to be round. In the 1700's it was not possible for a woman to be independent. In the 1800's it was not possible to travel into outer space. In the 1900's it was not possible for the entire global economy to collapse at one time.

The realm of possibilities gets wider and wider with every advance in technology. I don't think anyone should ever say something is "impossible."

Even though I did years ago on this very forum..... LOL!!

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that impossible things are made possible every year.

Unfortunately, we're talking about horrible things like weapons of mass destruction here, but it's true. There is really no end to the atrocities that the human mind can create and invent.



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good thread and thanks moderators for not locking it.... DEW is a sore subject on most 911 websites. even though their is ample evidence that an advanced weapon was used on 911 to vaporize steel... "without heating it" just like Judy says - a means to alter the molecular structure of metal -
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The Hutchinson effect is quite interesting - however, the people running the show ... well, they were advanced enough 5,000 years ago to encode computer codes into the Tora and the Koran ... I found it interesting that the Koran kept popping up over and over again as the evidence mounted against the muslims actually doing 911... I mean Mohammad Atta must have been a Koran Salesmen he left so many of these books around... so it is clear it was a total setup.... and we have 100K$ from Pakistan to Atta and then we have Atta calling his father on Sept 12th saying he is alive and well.
I wonder how much time Atta has to spend in hiding for his 100K... seems cheap for 3200 american lives... so, he is a patsy ... a red herring ...
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Now the evidence of a DEW is a 70 story spire of steel that goes poof... I thought about it for a while and it dawned on me that they could not bring the building down to ground level without flooding lower manhatten... and that is where the Black Ops guys come in... this DEW is claimed to have been in WTC7 doing the dirty work ... I beg to differ -- I think it was on the "International" Space Station... so all govt's that belong to this ISS should be highly suspected of being also involved in 911... to this date I have not found a list of the owners of the ISS...

also, the video that was shot on 911 ... needs to be spectrum analyzed for weird light wavelengths... I have not seen a study into spectrum analysis... you see energy does not disipate it changes form ... so if Dew was used then we need to locate the evidence this energy weapon left... as near as I remember, we only have Fuzzy Steel as evidence of something weird happend to steel on 911.
more if interested....

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Evidence? Evidence is all dust now, but thank you for your proposition

You think a building like that has 1 or 2 sensitive spots?
They say when the upper floors disintegrated the sheer weight of the top made the structure below collapse! What kind of nonsense is that? As if there was no weight before that.

The joints which held the steel construction had to be destroyed and shaken in order to initiate a free fall of the whole building.

As is obvious in other buildings which were consumed by fire for hours, the structures did not collapse. Steel construction o WTC did not melt because of the fire caused by burning jet fuel.

I've seen buildings much smaller than those at Manhattan, hit with cruising missiles, even several times, and none of them collapsed. Destroying WTC towers with one or two airplanes is not possible.

Originally posted by jfj123


OK fair enough. Then show me evidence to suggest a Directed Energy Weapon was involved. Please keep in mind that I have a background in computers, lasers, optics, electronics.

i think if someone dug up the photos of cars missing their engine blocks should be decent enough evidence.

well, thats what I personally wanna see . I havent seen these alleged photos yet tho so i cant say what went down.

OK fair enough. Then show me evidence to suggest a Directed Energy Weapon was involved. Please keep in mind that I have a background in computers, lasers, optics, electronics.

I have no other evidence other than the website I referenced earlier with the photos and her theories. I think she did a pretty good job of putting her theories there. And the movie of the steel beams being turned to dust....well, I don't know of anything that could do that....could thermite make steel beams into dust?

And then there's the biblical story of Jericho...where sound waves pulverized some city walls. I'll try to find a link to that one.

But I'm not saying I have proof....I'm saying I have a theory. I'm not an engineer....or a weapons expert.

The great part about having an out of the box style of thinking is that I tend to have more of a right brained way of thinking compared to most scientists. Unfortunately, because of that, I'm not extremely left brained, like most scientists, either. So, I really don't like to research all the finer details. I'll leave that stuff up to the engineers and weapons experts.

I just think along different lines than most people do. I tend to see patterns where others don't...and I think that there are a lot of things that sort of add up, when you put them into context with each other.

GOD, I STILL LOVE THIS SITE.
I THINK YOURE ONTO SOMETHING HERE BUT I HAVE MY OWN THEORY...

I THINK THAT SMURFS ARE REAL AND ORGANIZING AN UNDERGROUND CULT. THEY TOOK THE MONEY AND ARE ABOUT TO TAKE OVER WALL STREET. THEY ARE ALSO PLANNING TO REPLACE TROOPS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

The Battle of Jericho

Ok, so I found the battle of Jericho, It is told in the Old Testament (aka the Torah) in the book of Joshua. Interesting reading....especially if you think about it from a 21st century perspective.


13 Once when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing before him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went to him and said to him, ‘Are you one of us, or one of our adversaries?’ 14He replied, ‘Neither; but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.’ And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshipped, and he said to him, ‘What do you command your servant, my lord?’ 15The commander of the army of the Lord said to Joshua, ‘Remove the sandals from your feet, for the place where you stand is holy.’ And Joshua did so.

Now Jericho was shut up inside and out because of the Israelites; no one came out and no one went in. 2The Lord said to Joshua, ‘See, I have handed Jericho over to you, along with its king and soldiers. 3You shall march around the city, all the warriors circling the city once. Thus you shall do for six days, 4with seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark. On the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, the priests blowing the trumpets. 5When they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, as soon as you hear the sound of the trumpet, then all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city will fall down flat, and all the people shall charge straight ahead.’ 6So Joshua son of Nun summoned the priests and said to them, ‘Take up the ark of the covenant, and have seven priests carry seven trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark of the Lord.’ 7To the people he said, ‘Go forward and march around the city; have the armed men pass on before the ark of the Lord.’
8 As Joshua had commanded the people, the seven priests carrying the seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the Lord went forward, blowing the trumpets, with the ark of the covenant of the Lord following them. 9And the armed men went before the priests who blew the trumpets; the rearguard came after the ark, while the trumpets blew continually. 10To the people Joshua gave this command: ‘You shall not shout or let your voice be heard, nor shall you utter a word, until the day I tell you to shout. Then you shall shout.’ 11So the ark of the Lord went around the city, circling it once; and they came into the camp, and spent the night in the camp.
12 Then Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the Lord. 13The seven priests carrying the seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark of the Lord passed on, blowing the trumpets continually. The armed men went before them, and the rearguard came after the ark of the Lord, while the trumpets blew continually. 14On the second day they marched around the city once and then returned to the camp. They did this for six days.
15 On the seventh day they rose early, at dawn, and marched around the city in the same manner seven times. It was only on that day that they marched around the city seven times. 16And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people, ‘Shout! For the Lord has given you the city. 17The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she hid the messengers we sent. 18As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet* and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the Lord; they shall go into the treasury of the Lord.’ 20So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it.


What if...
a) The man who said he was the "Commander of the Army of the Lord" was just someone who knew how to use the Ark as a weapon, and taught Joshua how to use it? How to "turn it on?"
b) What if the man who said he was the "Commander of the Army of the Lord" but was really just some guy from an advanced society pretending to be from their God. What if they had a stake in the outcome of the battle of Jericho, so they decided to intervene and teach them how to use the Ark of the Convenant as a sound weapon to bring down the walls?
c) What if the marching for 7 days was just a "diversion" to make them think that they really brought down the walls. It was just "for show." Kind of like the running of the planes into the WTC.

Well, it LOOKED to them like the marching and the shouting and the trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho, just like it looked to us like the airplanes and the fireballs and the smoke brought down the WTC center.

Now, this is most interesting. When the walls of jericho came down, everyone was still alive inside. It was a weapon of mass destruction that brought down the city, but spared the people.

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Judy Woods Directed Energy Weapons has been totally debunked. It's total disinfo to divide the 9/11 truth movement. There is no proof of such weapons being used. However there is overwhelming evidence of military grade thermate having been used. This has been shown by the dust samples anylized by Dr. Steven Jones. Judy Wood is part of a group that also believes that no planes hit the twin towers and the images and videos we have all seen are government manipulations and that the plane images were inserted into live TV coverage via CGI. I always ask people to show me the evidence if they want to convince me of something. I regards to 9/11, I've read the evidence of controlled demolition and seen the science used to come to that conclusion. I havn't seen ANY evidence from Judy Wood. In fact, in one video where she's interviewed she makes a total fool of herself by rambling on about "dustification" and particles of the WTC being shot up to the upper atmosphere. The one picture she had that she claimed proved this was a photo of the south tower collaping with the north tower's smoke rising directly behind it. This obviously is not material being shot up to the atmosphere but just the angle at which the photo was taken. Metal does not turn into dust by being hit with electromagnetic energy. If this is somehow possible then someone please show me conclusive proof.

What happened to Jericho after the walls came down? The people inside lived. (Only to be destroyed by Joshua's men....but still, they survived the weapon of the Ark of the Covenant.)

15 On the seventh day they rose early, at dawn, and marched around the city in the same manner seven times. It was only on that day that they marched around the city seven times. 16And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people, ‘Shout! For the Lord has given you the city. 17The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she hid the messengers we sent. 18As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet* and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the Lord; they shall go into the treasury of the Lord.’ 20So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. 21Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.

22 Joshua said to the two men who had spied out the land, ‘Go into the prostitute’s house, and bring the woman out of it and all who belong to her, as you swore to her.’ 23So the young men who had been spies went in and brought Rahab out, along with her father, her mother, her brothers, and all who belonged to her—they brought all her kindred out—and set them outside the camp of Israel. 24They burned down the city, and everything in it; only the silver and gold, and the vessels of bronze and iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord. 25But Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, Joshua spared. Her family* has lived in Israel ever since. For she hid the messengers whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

Ok, so here, we have this mighty city Jericho that was a fortress. Nobody went out...nobody went in. But something....a weapon (the Ark?) brought it down. Without hurting anyone inside. Or was it the marching and the shouting? I highly doubt it. The instructions were to carry the Ark. Maybe the sound of the trumpets activated the Ark. Or maybe the Ark was activated from a remote location when the "Commander of the Army of the Lord" heard the trumpets. That was their signal....to turn on the weapon.

What if the same....um....interested party....the same people claiming to be the Commander of the Lord's Army" keeps passing this weapon to humans, over and over again.

Just like we arm the primitive tribes of certain countries, because we have a stake in them winning the battle.....maybe there is a secret advanced society.....aliens even.....who are supplying advanced weapons to humans. Because they have a stake in who wins.

And they tell them to go through these elaborate shows of faith...marching for 7 days....shouting for 7 days....or maybe learning how to fly airplanes? Maybe these same "Commanders of God" told the "terrorists": Hey, watch this. We'll bring down your enemy. All you have to do is learn how to fly a jet plane, then fly it towards the WTC. We'll take care of the rest. All you need is faith."

Joshua and his men had faith in the Ark, because it was the WORD of God. (Word= sound. Sound = energy.) They had no idea it was a weapon. They thought their trumpets and marching brought down the walls. But what if it was the Ark, and the ARk was a weapon??

Sick, isn't it? Someone pretending to be a commander of God's army...to help one group of humans kill another group of humans. Yet....in every war, people want to believe God is on their side.


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The battle of Jericho isn't absolute proof that a weapon like DEW has been used before. But maybe it's some pretty good evidence.

Because really, do you think GOD would really help one group of humans kill another group?? I really don't think God would do that.

I can, however, imagine a scenario where an advanced society PRETENDS to be God, and gives these people a weapon, and has them do all these elaborate things to make them think that they actually brought down the city walls.

And what if....maybe....the same thing is still happening in today's world??

Maybe WE don't have the technology for that kind of weapon....but somebody else does??

Just a theory.



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As far advanced as HAARP is now, and with their experimental array now four times bigger in at least Alaska, I'm also conducive to the idea that they have miniaturized things. Check out the video cameras on robotic insects, and we may have a good theoretical case for a microwave cannon-sized energy weapon that can do a lot more than broil your ham.

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