If man kind is to survive, religion must end

Pause4thought, neither what I, or the Original Poster has said effects your personal beliefs, to carry them out in the way you choose and according to what you feel is right. I have already stated that I disagree with the OP's choice of words in opening this thread. However, I will still stand my subsequent postings when I have stated that I believe that we, as a part of humanity, is still capable of surviving as a race regardless of who, or what we ultimately beleive in.

Ive been saying this same thing for years and years. no one is going to listen.

religion is an outdated theory on who/why/what/when/how. nothing more - nothing less.

its funny, people dont beleive the earth is flat floating on an infinite ocean, or that the sun is 17 miles away...yet they still believe in those same peoples other theories.

and we are so advanced and intelligent.

The problem isn't religions it self it's people inteligence, most religious people are religious because their inteligence level does not allow them to comprehent the world as it is, so they must hold on to things that allow them to survive the 'reality'.

Religion will not go away untill humanity matures it's intelect levels

reply to post by 30 Seconds

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I agree.

reply to post by Freelancer

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I appreciate you rejecting the inflammatory tone of the OP.

Yet still:


The OP advocates ABOLITION of religion. How can that be compatible with freedom of conscience and freedom to practice my faith via meeting together & expressing to others what it means to me?

'Abolition' with 'freedom to carry out' is simply an oxymoron.

Reminds me of 1984 & the government 'Ministry of Truth'. One of their chief tasks was to promote the ability to 'double-think'.

Can you see where I'm coming from?

I agree that religion is part of the problem, but it's only one piece. We use religion to separate us from others. If humanity is to survive it's own ignorance, we have to abolish the idea that we're completely separate from each other. We have to see everyone as our brothers and sisters instead of a religious affiliation, the country we live/were born in, our skin color, what gender our significant other is, etc.

We're all human Before we're christian, muslim, hinduist, buddhist, etc.

We're all human Before we're white, brown, yellow, red, etc.

We're all human Before we're American, Canadian, British, Russian, Chinese, Israeli, Iranian, etc.

We're all human Before we're straight, gay, or bi.

Instead, we retreat like cowards into factions and bury our heads in the sand and pretend no one but us matters. Some religions facilitate that behavior, even encourage it. But as long as we divide ourselves from the whole, we are less than complete.

Ahhh..how I love posts about religion. The subject always brings the best and worst in most of us.OP, you’re in a minefield here, but I’m sure you know it already.

As some posters implied, religion is needed to teach us to be good and compassionate (among other things) and bring the “good” in all of us. Need I remind here the wars and horrors created by men in the name of it?

I guess I should be a Christian ( at least my parents were, even though they did not practice it),but as it stands now ( and always did),I don’t have a religion. I’ve chosen long time ago not to bow to “fictive” painted figures or to listen to one man’s interpretation of what “God” should be like.

I am compassionate, I have always helped others, I brake for animals on the road, and I believe all people are good at the core. Even though I am reminded almost constantly how untrue that is. I do things for everyone I know (and on occasion strangers) without expecting anything, but when I see someone in need, and if I can help in any way, I do it.
How did I come to be like this, and not even reading the bible once? How would religion help me to be better, or understand more about life or about myself?

Religion as an idea, probably a decent thing, I wouldn’t know for sure. Certainly I would not abolish it in that form, because we must always keep our minds open, and not think that we know everything, or that what we believe is the “truth”.

Religion as practice. I would abolish it tomorrow if I could. Call me stupid, but I think that the lost “souls” which will find themselves without something to believe in, will gradually adjust and start using their own mind. Or maybe the rest of us (“non religious” folks) can help showing them how a man can be good without a religion.

I have acquaintances from different religious backgrounds: Muslims, Buddhists, you name it. We all get along pretty well. Why?...because we have decided to respect each other at the human level, and none of us gives a rats a*** about the other’s guy religion.

Mankind has survived with religion so far and it will continue to do so if we don't destroy ourselves.

If someone just wants to see the negative aspect of something then that is all they will want to see.

Yes, men have used religion to do evil. It's a shame.

However, some of the most terrible people in history did not use religion to kill other people.

It's not religion I'm worried about... it's mankind. We're bound to destroy ourselves if we don't wise up.

I just love the fact the OP can start a fire and we all jump into it!
I know for a fact no matter what I believe, the masses will follow a leader and just like your OP all it will take is that, one leader to rise and sweep you off your feet.
What will happen next?If I am your new leader I will create the new religion and all will follow me God..NWO..

reply to post by robwerden

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Ok i should point out before i begin this post that i am an atheist.

You would think i would agree with this post and yet i have one blazingly large issue with it. You provide little argument for why we should abolish religion. That is my problem with this post, so i won't be flagging or starring it.

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We never jumped into any fire, we just participated in a mutual discussion. There is nothing wrong with discussion whether or not religion is destroying mankind.

You have misinterpreted the concept of the topic, and even the concept of the forum.

That's the point I see no reason for religion, so how can I argue. Being an atheist you apparently see no reason for it either if I may put words in your mouth.
All im saying is, for those who are tired of religion driving the worlds leaders and being integrated into foreign policy, you no longer have only so many options as you did before. You have the right to voice your opinion by not saying anything at all, and simply separating your self from those who push religion. The difference in my method and the method of "if you have not got something nice to say don't say anything at all" is I suggest you tell the person "because of your views on religion, I can not be around you". You have not said anything directly about their religion, you have not told them to drop religion, you have simply told them that you don't want it. If they are interested in being with you, then they will leave religion out of the conversation with you. The abolishment happens by default because it is no longer spoken of. This effect takes religion out of the national conversation and puts it in the persons heart and mind and not in your face and every ones face.
If the person feels so strongly about religion they refuse to not talk about it, then you are no longer associated with them and they are left to only those who seek alike conversation. The problem they will run into in the long run is the inability to convert, and the political correctness of religion being spoken about in politics and school etc becomes taboo which is inline with the Constitution and the rule of seperation of church and state.

I was shocked that during the republican primaries religion played such a huge role as to permit the questioning of the candidates in aspects such as Mitt Romneys Morman religion and who did not subscribe to evolution. These things encourage a religious test of leadership, which I feel is a huge problem.

The fire is the discussion.
I never said there was anything wrong with it.
Did not mean to confuse you.

Who is the OP to tell me what I can and can't believe?

Yea yea.. Everyone loves to say they start threads for discussion but the bottom line is nobody is changing anyone elses mind. People like for their voice to be heard. Period. Which is why you came in here, read what was written and still just had to reply even though it made not one bit of difference to anybody else. You wanted your "wisdom" heard. Just like the op.

reply to post by pause4thought

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Yes the OP has stated that in his opinion, religion should come to an end.

How will that statement effect you now? Now don't jump into the what-if's that has not happened, just ask yourself this, has the OP's statement hindered, or prevented you from carrying out your right to follow your faith or belief? You will still be free to carry out your faith unrestricted when you wake up tomorrow despite what the Opening Poster has stated.

I can and do see the point you are making, however, when we start adding more what-if's to the OP's original statement then it starts to take on more ominous meanings than it deserves. The OP has already given his reasons why he thinks religions should end and perhaps there lies the real problem and not the religious aspect as first it seems.

This was pretty ignorant. I go to church fairly often, have since I can remember. I don't agree with Bill Mahr's take on it. That was a movie made for a specific group and you have made your mind up based on a movie. Perhaps you may try going to church? It's easy to blame religion, not the people that carry out the acts, isn't it?