If man kind is to survive, religion must end

It is amazing how brain washed man kind is into accepting religion. I never have and let me tell you where I come from. I was adopted into a Jewish family, my real birth parents were not Jewish. My adopted Grandfather was extreme in religion, to the point he started family fights when others in the family did not attend services or fold to his will.

I dropped out of hebrew school after only 1 month because I asked to many questions the instructor would not answer. My grand father forced the entire family to fly to Israel when I turned 13 to have my bar mitzvah performed at the wailing wall.

While in Israel he forced me to tour the country and learn about the Jews history . When he died, he divided his money unfairly and left me less because I was not entirely Jewish.

As a Jew I grew up being made fun of, and it even continues as an adult. If I leave exactly a 15% tip after a dinner out, I get called a jew for not tipping bigger.

So I gave up all religion. I gave it up because of how it affected my everyday life. I never wanted it, and it was forced on me and then followed me.

I stopped looking for god when I was old enough to ask questions about where god is. I wanted proof and never got it.

In the film, Bill pointed out the 16% of Americans don't believe in religion. He also said, that that 16% of us who are against religion, need to stand up and tell the world we are not going to take it any longer, and the religion in policy must end.

So that is what im doing. Im standing up and saying stop religion. I will now start to protest my government and join my voice to anyone else who feels the same as I do.
I stand firm on my opening post.

reply to post by robwerden


I mean no offense but your entire O.P. sounds like it was written by someone who has swallowed NWO propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

You really think abolishing religion would:

1). Go smoothly?
2). Solve our problems?

Atlasastro already explained some difficulties in your proposal.

Second, what about other things that cause clashing between humans? Race? Nations and borders?

Let's 'abolish' all races and ethnic groups except for one. That should stop all the racial sparring.

Let's abolish all borders and dissolve sovereign nations in order to stop the wars that break out between countries.

Get it? Your solution is just as ridiculous as the solutions to society's ills I mention.

Also, do you not know history and what happened in Eastern countries when their aim was to abolish religion? It wasn't pretty nor peaceful. Those countries lay in turmoil. They still have many severe problems.

This is the attitude that creates problems with humanity:

So im not going to debate anyone here, by simply not replying to any comments that show disagreement, because you are exactly the type of person who I do not want to associate my self with.

What you essentially just did was place you and your beliefs up on a pedestal. What makes your atheistic views better than the religious when you do something like this? It boggles the mind how atheists criticize religion when they can't smell the same self righteous 'I'm right and you're all wrong' stench emanating from their own bathroom.

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reply to post by robwerden


This is a very "Hypothetical" synopsis. Religions are alive and well, for the follower's of such beliefs, and by standards of equivocating it to a "Run-Away-Train" is the only answer I would have to give as a description of even trying to stop religions.

There have been points of views on inquiries of "What ifs" of this being plausible, and they are defending themselves, and respectful at that. Nothing wrong with differences, just so they stay at a candor of understanding and acceptation to the "Thoughts" of people feeling this way about religions.

I have not seen the movie "Religious" yet, but am wanting to go, I like Bill Mauer, he has a lot of insight of personal and shared beliefs as well. But, I , without seeing the movie, think it was created to antagonise the religious groups at face value. Bill is very opinionated and direct, combine that with his sarcasm, quite a potent mix.

I see there are some here posting of the personal thoughts of this taking place would leave an opposite of what you would think the state of the world would be left as, and with that in mind, and with respect for the , what is it 95% of the worlds believers of something as whole, they are entitled to their own. Thing of it is, "Religion was and is the most postulated for of any accepted origins of man, it will not be going anywhere soon."

One poster mentioned rewriting of laws? Definitely don't know about that.
Another poster mentioned that the world would be a lost cause? Don't agree with that either.
And yet another poster went as far as saying if religion is the poison of the people, then the people are the poison of the planet? "That I agree with."

Jodi Foster , the actress from "Contact" said it pretty well when she had to make her confessions to a tribunal of her trip , "We are so small, and we realise just how insignificant we are, something happened, but I don't know what, but it is bigger than ourselves and more beautiful than possibly imagined, if I could just share that, the small and insignificant feelings I had, I would share it with the world." Or something like that, not an exact quote, but I will supply one if necessary.

We are a lonely and self content race, even as another poster had said "They hide behind their religion" because it allows them to justify their place in society as a whole. We are the virus that destroys everything, even ourselves, We build and destroy quite effectively, both in a physical sense and the more popular psychological ways . There is only one thing to do with the kind of confrontation if you are a religious purpose, to hope and "PRAY" things get only better for the particular outcry, hope has always been there, the praying part falls short of the analogies of the first human emotion, which is directed towards being fear, thus the need for sanctity and refuge from thing's that have gone arye and are overwhelming to the practitioner of religions.

For the record, I am a "Retracted Lutheran/Christian" but I am now "Atheist". I am not ashamed of my deviations from religion and will be content as I stand on my own two feet with out the aid of idol "Prayers" being answered. It was exactly what you had mentioned before, and I had my interpretations of religion "Corrected" by the "Common Sense" analysis of your first posted thoughts. Though the station and title of the position I now hold does create some disturbing scenarios for me, and my family being "God" oriented don't question my decision, they still have a different aura to them when issues of religion come into conversation and they know I am there to listen, but with a few passing of such conversations, my family realized that I wasn't the "Anti-Christ" set out to alter the worlds Christian faiths, [Snicker] (Funny story behind that snicker, so don't take it personal readers.) and that it was a conclusion derived from my own acceptance of who I was and why I am here, what I do and also what I don't do, That there is consequences for actions and there is no one else to blame other than myself for such outcomes and dilemmas, that there is no one more responsible for me than myself, and there fore , religion is out the window and a higher perception of insight allows me to be more "Acceptable and Realistic" for who I am.

Really picked out a "Barn Burner" of a subject, but it as a "Whole" can remain civil and respectful, IMHO.....

"Let's abolish all borders and dissolve sovereign nations in order to stop the wars that break out between countries."

yay finally a sensible suggestion.But although atheists can be just as radical as *insert group here* it still isnt as crazy and verging on insanity as believing in an invisible god/gods that have super powers.Thats classic schizophrenia except the religious mind works in partitions....so although they may seem sane,when it comes to religion they are not.

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reply to post by rattan1
All the major religions were created to control, manipulate and keep humanity "in line".

Most religions preach fear, fear of offending God, fear of not believing, fear of sin fear fear and more fear.

Some of the meanest most vile people I have known were very religious.

It's a opium for the brain, perfect for the masses of sheeple that can't or won't think for themselves.

If God kills, lies, cheats, discriminates, and otherwise behaves in a manner that puts the Mafia to shame, that's okay, he's God. He can do whatever he wants. Anyone who adheres to this philosophy has had his sense of morality, decency, justice and humaneness warped beyond recognition by the very book that is supposedly preaching the opposite.-Dennis McKinsey

When men destroy their old gods they will find new ones to take their place.-Pearl S. Buci

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.-Thomas Jefferson

When religion is in the hands of the mere natural man, he is always the worse for it; it adds a bad heat to his own dark fire and helps to inflame his four elements of selfishness, envy, pride, and wrath. And hence it is that worse passions, or a worse degree of them are to be found in persons of great religious zeal than in others that made no pretenses to it. --William Law

We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. --Jonathan Swift

Men rarely (if ever) invent gods superior to themselves. Most gods have the morals and manners of a spoiled child. -- Robert Heinlein

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. --Unknown

Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery. --Robert Ingersoll

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. --Lucius Annaeus Seneca

A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

So I guess you could blame religion for everything when you say for example," the us went into Iraq because of the religion of oil". It works for greed too, and many other nouns. The problem is not religion, it's manipulation and ignorance. One breeds the other. If you take those two out of religion, politics or whatever arena, you will find they are no longer the problem they seem to be. The fact is we don't live in a perfect world. Do people think if we got rid of religion or whatever that we wouldn't just find another thing to divide about? If we didn't they'd find one for us, that's for sure.(they=whoever owns the media at the time). I'm not here to argue my faith, I just think that we aren't addressing the problem correctly (we=people who care enough to get some info and search for truth regardless of upbringing or bias). peace all.

If mankin is to survive ... get rid of Hollywood (entertainment industry) and scrap the MSM.

They both have something in common..

they produce nothing but crap and pornificate the the country .. the world even

To a certain degree, your wish will be realized:


PLEASE READ

the end of false religion .. at the hands of religion.. an oxymoron.

I have no religion .. I am a follower of god.

I live through God
I dont goto church
I dont need to
I treat people the way they treat me, plain and simple.
And I live my life the best I can. At the end of the day I pray and ask god to forgive me should i commit sin for he always forgives.

but anyway .. just believe and live true .. and believe in God Thats all there is

reply to post by robwerden



I totally agree!

God Hates Religion! Christianity, was never meant to be a religion. Christianity is the dynamic spiritual life of the risen Lord Jesus indwelling the spirit of man so as to create functional behavior to the glory of God.

Religions are simply the outgrowth of ancient myths and dogmas handed down from generation to generation and formalized into faiths, rituals and traditions.

The church is not Baptist, Catholic, Methodist denominations or any other world religion. The church is not a church
building, or a religious program.
The church is people believing that Jesus is the Son of God and born of a virgin died for our sins, resurrected on the 3rd day conquering death. Thus whoever beliefs in him through faith is saved by grace to escape the second death which is eternal hell!

John 3:17
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Religion is man made- Die Religion.... Die!

Abolishing religion would be the fastest way TO destroy humanity. With the number of fanatical believers on the rise, banning religion would be like setting off a grenade in an armory.

Religion needs to change, not be banned.

reply to post by holywar


That website is so deemed a "Christian Website" it is totally one sided and very "Brain Washy" just has been discussed, I mean, well, get this....

Picture the scene. A harlot is sitting on the back of a fearsome beast. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:1-4) Whom does the harlot represent? She exerts influence “over the kings of the earth.” She dresses in purple, uses incense, and is exceedingly wealthy. In addition, by means of her spiritistic practice, ‘all the nations are misled.’ (Revelation 17:18; 18:12, 13, 23) The Bible helps us to see that this harlot is a worldwide religious entity. She depicts, not any one religion, but all religions that produce rotten fruit.

It is said beautifully, but it is oriented towards the faiths and not the "Multitudes" of separation form Christianity.

Got something to say with this threads inquiries, better use your own words, not prompted Fully Right winged Christianity quotes form the bible, none the less.

I get your point, but "Read it, it hasn't changed, not until they decide to "Rewrite AGAIN."

reply to post by robwerden


Star and Flag !

George Carlin's skit on religion is one of my all time favorites,
and he is absolutely right.

George Carlin - Religion is Bullshiit

The millions of ppl that have been killed in the name of religious
intolerance is staggering.

The crusades, the inquisition, the Persian invasion of Greece, etc etc.

The amount of time, money, and resources poured into this
imaginary friend crap would end poverty and hunger world wide.

Sounds to me it's someone throwing in their 2 cents,and as far as I'm concerned thats all their statement is worth,OP what do you base your facts on,some article you read?,thats like saying if we get rid of all middle easterners there will be no wars

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


There has been far more lives lost, property destroyed, and resources used up in conflicts involving secular political ideologies like Fascism and Communism.

Mao and Stalin alone in a few decades killed more people than the Roman Catholic Church killed in over 1000 years.

Religion is not the problem, humanity is.

If Mankind is to survive,MANKIND has to start acting in the better interest of what it takes MAN to survive.

Seems that MANKIND is the blame for all that is wrong. All this technolagy is being used by our representatives to control,oppress and financially propell ones self to GODLIKE proportions.The problem is MAN plain and simple.

Sooner or later NATURE will take back what was hers. This lif can't and won't susstain itself regardless of how many empires try to follow suit and run a corrpt regime.

As I like to tell hunters, I could thimk of a hell of alot more humans that deserve to be shot than some innocent animal being shot for game.Start at the top of the food chain because it has nothing to do with religion. It is all the fault of weak inferior humans.

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reply to post by robwerden

So im not going to debate anyone here, by simply not replying to any comments that show disagreement, because you are exactly the type of person who I do not want to associate my self with.
So If you don't like what I have to say, then put me on your ignore list, because that is where you are going as well.

Let me guess - you were raised middle class Southern Baptist.

If you weren't - oh well I guessed wrong - but hell, you talk just like one.

Religion does not need to be nixed - man using it for an excuse to commit hell on earth does.

I get where the OP is coming from. I was raised in such a way that, right now typing this, I canot think of myself of having any religion. Niether of my parents tried to place there religious beliefs on me, and any time I made a statement that had a religeous basis from the comunity it was promply questioned, forcing me to consider the opinions being formed from it. Having lived like this for many years, there has never been a thought in my to go hit someone for having differing opinions. Ok, so there was this one time, but I had been in a long drawn out argument withe the guy, yet I still didn't carry out with it.

There is also the other element people have been talking about. There still will be wars, but it may verry well be the case that people would be harder to talk into participating if there is no religious basis for them to follow.

Theres nothing fundamentally wrong with religion the problem is people. We tie things in with our own identity and use it as a way to justify the evil things we do. People are violent, angry, and can't be trusted you want to end violence and war then kill everyone.

my life just doesn't have time for kneeling on the floor and talking to myself.

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