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reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:24 PM by Drexl
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The term 'Anti American' is a little misleading in a way . It suggests that a person is antagonistic towards a certain race of people based upon
their geographic location . That isn't true really . People are against oppressors as somebody else posted above , no matter where they come from .
So long as you are going about oppressing and occupying , killing and looting , then people aren't going to like you as a nation. It just comes with
the territory .
I do not understand why this isn't apparant , but then you are fed with the usual propaganda that it is all for freedom and democracy etc . So, where
the confusion lies .. is Americans cannot understand the dislike because they aren't reading off the same hymn sheet as the rest of the world , we
know those are lies and a lot of Americans do not . Americans don't want to think it's all lies either so most don't care to question it , they
want to maintain their moral high ground and pretend its all done for altruistic reasons.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:17 AM by JonathanNicholas
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"I do not like ignorant, big mouthed, ballsy Americans"
Who likes ignorant,big mouthed ballsy people from ANY country?You imply that americans are the only people on earth capable of these character
flaws?You are simply taking another opportunity to insult and demean america and americans and you either won't admit it or are too full of anger to
realise it.
"I don't like that attitude either.And when you try and point it out to them,thats when the accusations of being anti-American start."
Thats just what you are,you hate america and americans but just don't have the guts to admit it.By the way,ignorance is not a choice someone
makes-
"ignorant
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 a: destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b: resulting from or showing lack of
knowledge or intelligence "
Maybe where you're from ignorance is a reason to dislike someone but where i'm from we treat one another with a mutual respect and a common decency
regardless of where they are from.Although I'm sure you won't believe that. But I will finish by saying that while I may not agree with you, I
respect your right to believe what you do.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:26 AM by alyosha1981
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Really?? I have to say LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!! the American people are what makes America great and if you don"t like it well why don't you go to
Canada or Mexico, with that I'm done, Red White and Blue!!!
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No on second thought, I'm not done, I am thankful to have been born into the GREATEST country in the world no question.I am free to believe in what I
choose to believe, free to do what I want to do when I want to do it and I don't care what people say, soldiers have given their lives for what I as
well millions and millions of other AMERICAN people enjoy "we will not forget" and every morning that I wake up in this great country I feel sorry
for the poor souls that don't have the good fortune of being a citizen of the US OF A!!! God bless AMERICA!!!!!!
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:34 AM by Agit8dChop
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I dont think anyone hates ''America''
I think people hate
- ignorant Americans..
- Americans whom believe other nations must submit and obey
- Americans who believe being patriotic means not asking questions
- Americans who believe Guns, God and Gold TRUMP everything else
- Americans who label you racist/anti-semantic if you question Israel
- Americans who believe Iraq was worthy of Invasion
- Americans who believe Iran deserves the same fate
I love America, its beaches, its countryside, its mountains, its animals and majority of its people.
I love its history, storming the beaches in Normandy, climbing the mountains in Berchtestgaden, walking on the moon, bringing life to cinema and
music..
Its just a pity your pride and greed got in the way of your most valuable traits.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:40 AM by resistancia
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reply to post by JonathanNicholas
It was actually me, resistancia who stated that "I do not like ignorant, ballsy big mouthed Americans".
I did not use the word hate. I did not say all Americans.
You need to put the heat on the right person before you flame them.
You flamed the wrong person. Flame me...I really don't mind at all
Merry Christmas all
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 02:37 AM by haika
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Just my humble opinion but I think that people should be proud and love their country, whatever it may be. ALL countries in the world have great
things and bad things.
And yes, I do think that there is a heightened sense of anti-American sentiment throughout the world.
The shoving of "we are the greatest and the country with more freedom in the world" tends to annoy people after a while.
I think that that is the main thing that people mean when they say that Americans are arrogant.
One comment I have heard many times is that people from the US tend to not learn a second language. Somehow, it´s annoying to others when traveling
abroad.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 02:51 AM by haika
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reply to post by alyosha1981
What do you mean with "love it or leave it"? Remember that there are a bunch of people in ATS that don't even live in the USA, let alone the whole
American continent.
And I applaud your view on the country. Everyone should feel the same way about their own country. All those other GREAT countries in the world, many
in which people are educated, know about other cultures, speak other languages and are not paranoid about terrorist attacks or their own government
spying on them.....oh wait? That sounds like freedom, doesn't it?
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:10 AM by SPIRAL.ZONE
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How disturbing to see how americans dont understand why they are hated outside their border? May be some of you americans should get a passport and
travel a bit to see the devastating effects of your country's policies on the people of this world to understand....
America is not appreciated, however americans in general are not disliked. In fact a lot of people feel sorry for americans and the way they are
denied education and information.
When we watch your media and debates most people see facism and ignorance.
Good luck to your country..And please act against your government, for it's your government and your politicians which have created this paranoid,
closed minded place you live in.
Peace
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:21 AM by JonathanNicholas
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My apologies to Dante'sLost. I did mean to reply to you.I never stated that you claimed to hate americans,it was my opinion I stick by it and I felt
I made that clear. You can pretend to pity us all you want,i have never pitied anyone,it requires arrogance and condesention especially in this
context.
I have never met anyone personally that feels other countries must "submit and obey" america. That is a common stereotype and it happens to be a
false one at that. We don't ask questions?Our president has one of the lowest approval ratings,mainly do to with the war in Iraq,Congress has the
lowest approval rating-ever. This is precisely BECAUSE we ask questions of our own leaders. I suppose you are of the opinion that no other country
holds guns, religion, and oil above all else?I can name a few. Americans who want to arm themselves for protection is a bad thing? I'd say thats an
opinion. Oh and I suppose there is no religion where you're from,ok.
This is a capitalist society Agit8d,money is what makes our system go round,it has to be important to us.That doesnt make us golddiggers. Pride?There
is nothing wrong with taking pride in whatever you do.Greed bothering you? I guess no one, not even a small minority in your country cares about money
or power. Tell me where is this magical place you speak of? You say you love the majority of our people, so you're criticism is aimed at the minority
of corrupt ,greedy poloticians,billionairs and gun toting Jesus freaks. My only point is,if you are going to point at the minority of bad people in
america, then you have to point to every single country on this planet,period.What does it help to point out the corruption in the U.S when it exists
everywhere? Are we supposed to apologize for not being perfect even when we never claied to be in the first place? If you are going to hate the U.S
for those things you mentioned then you have to hate the rest of the world too, but we already know the world is screwed up so whats the point? You
have a valid point about Israel I'll grant you that.But the other problems you mentioned are not indigenous to the U.S.A my friend.Your posts are
exactly why americans on ATS rushed to the defense of our country during the first thread months ago,it had nothing to do with not being able to
accept a little constructive criticism.It had to do with the hipocrisy behind the criticisms,and it still does.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:49 AM by Dermo
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Originally posted by alyosha1981
No on second thought, I'm not done, I am thankful to have been born into the GREATEST country in the world no question.I am free to believe in what I
choose to believe, free to do what I want to do when I want to do it and I don't care what people say, soldiers have given their lives for what I as
well millions and millions of other AMERICAN people enjoy "we will not forget" and every morning that I wake up in this great country I feel sorry
for the poor souls that don't have the good fortune of being a citizen of the US OF A!!! God bless AMERICA!!!!!!
This is it.. its always the same kind of statements. The exact same conditioned thinking as the previous posters who made the same statement. Why do
you think you are so special in the US as opposed to the rest of the world?
Greatest country in the world for the 50 years after since ww2.. yes. Now.. it is a matter of opinion. You have the best army in the world. Not the
greatest country im afraid. "Greatest Country In The World" = Cold War conditioning...
There are not that many people around the world who are not free to choose what they want to believe in. Why do you think that is special to the
US??
There are not that many people around the world who are not free to what they want to do when they want to. Why do you think that this is special to
the US??
Why do you think that the rest of the world wants to live in the USA?
Please.. someone from the US, just answer me this question intelligently ---> Who are all these people around the world that are oppressed, have no
freedoms, liberties and pride in their countries that make you want to go on and on about how you are so lucky to have them??
You go on as if noone else has any of these things.. thats why its so annoying.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:52 AM by Dermo
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Originally posted by SPIRAL.ZONE
America is not appreciated, however americans in general are not disliked. In fact a lot of people feel sorry for americans and the way they are
denied education and information.
When we watch your media and debates most people see facism and ignorance.
Oh Oh.. you are being too honest here. I can see a lot of people needing to visit their 'therapists' after that comment.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:56 AM by JonathanNicholas
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You know it astounds me how easily people from other countries can make statements like "why dont american understand why they are hated" and how
sorry you all feel for us and how uneducated we are.There were posts in the original thread that actually said "its not your fault you are too
ignorant to realise how ignorant you truly are"
Americans do understand why we are hated,we just don't agree with your reasons,understand?A racist can walk up to me and try to explain to me why
they feel African-Americans are inferior to whites,but regardless of the argument put forth,I am still going to disagree with him because his
reasoning is flawed and based on prejudice and ignorance.
"America is not appreciated, however americans in general are not disliked. In fact a lot of people feel sorry for americans and the way they are
denied education and information."
What books are you reading?Thats almost too ridiculous a statement to respond to,say what you want but this is still the most free country in the
world,americans get information from any source they want,this website is proof of that.This is not a communist society you are aware we have the
ability to buy books from around the world not to mention a little thing called the internet plus a liberally biased media who despises anything
pro-america.It is hard to get any real news that doesnt involve criticism of america.
And if you really feel that americans are just too uneducated and ignorant to understand the world,then why say anything at all about it?Do you walk
up to the mentally handicapped on the street and tell them how sorry you feel for them?It's the same arrogance I sensed in the earlier thread a few
months back from people outside this country.Either that or you're just being rude.Well I don't feel sorry for anyone I treat everyone the
same,always have.Peace.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:15 AM by Dermo
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What books are you reading?Thats almost too ridiculous a statement to respond to,say what you want but this is still the most free country in the
world
This is the ignorance that person was talking about and the conditioning i was talking about.
The USA does not have anywhere near the highest standard of living in the world.
Click
The USA does not have anywhere near the highest social and political freedoms in the world.
The USA does not have the highest economic freedoms in the world. Click
The USA does not have anywhere near the highest sexual and racial equality.
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Etc, Etc, Etc
There are dozens of other countries that are statistically better in regards 'freedom, liberties, standard of living' etc but the people from these
countries don't go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:01 AM by argilla11
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Originally posted by BAZ752
Originally posted by SFwife
Everyone hates America UNTIL They need help/money .Funny how that works
Should we take that as a tongue and cheek comment?
If not, then this only serves to reinforce why America isn't very popular with some, NOT ALL, but some people.
Yes, it does seem that Americans go out of their way to be obnoxious to the rest of the world. It comes about because they are told America is the
end-all-be-all of countries and the rest of the world is envious of Americans.
Of course this simply isn't true but try telling that to an American who hasn't been outside the borders of their country.
It is what it is, America has grown into an inflexible and hard-hearted institution no longer capable of growing and adapting for its own good.
Little wonder the country is failing. It has to.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:33 AM by BAZ752
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Originally posted by argilla11
Originally posted by BAZ752
Originally posted by SFwife
Everyone hates America UNTIL They need help/money .Funny how that works
Should we take that as a tongue and cheek comment?
If not, then this only serves to reinforce why America isn't very popular with some, NOT ALL, but some people.
Yes, it does seem that Americans go out of their way to be obnoxious to the rest of the world. It comes about because they are told America is the
end-all-be-all of countries and the rest of the world is envious of Americans.
Of course this simply isn't true but try telling that to an American who hasn't been outside the borders of their country.
It is what it is, America has grown into an inflexible and hard-hearted institution no longer capable of growing and adapting for its own good.
Little wonder the country is failing. It has to.
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To quote you an example, a former colleague and good friend cycled C2C (Coast to Coast) across USA back in June 2007. He has nothing but praise for
the American people that he met. However, what he was disheartened by was the sheer level of poverty and deprovision he encountered on his journey
across the central states. Arguably, you could suggest that his route was not the most favourable, but during a good few weeks of preparation he chose
those more familiar, established routes.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:49 AM by SPIRAL.ZONE
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Reply to Jonathan
Sorry man if you fell offended.
If of course everything is available in the US, it's the use of things that might not be appropriate.
Also, please note that many other countries, including the one I live in are full of the same defaults.
Thing is Education standards in the US are just not comparable to Europe..
Why is it most people in the US can't pinpoint a country on a map?
I've been to some remote villages in India where guys would immediately know where I was from and would ask relevant info.
Another thing....In many posts on this site I noticed a lot americans complaining they were fooled by their media and that they looked to foreign
media to get info about things happening in their own country....
(How can that be....I wonder...lol)
Having been to America a few times, I fully understand my comments do not apply to everyone over there. In fact the problem is that many well educated
are dismissed as being "traitors to the nation" for making sensible comments on the state of their nation...
Last thing...We would all like to see America be what it's supposed to be, not a "fake Disneyland" that barricades itself from the people of the
world....(check out the thread abut the right to food for example)...Only you guys can change it. Oh and if you're on ATS I guess you can take a bit
of criticism on your "wonderful and free" country, and that probably you dont consider yourself a foolish american....
Peace
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 06:38 AM by conspiracy nut
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here is my 2 cents on the whole propaganda usa brainwashed yada yada.
if we opened our borders we would be overwhelmed by people from all over the world that would want to come and live here. sorry i don't think you
could say the same for russia or china. we don't have to be brainwashed, we have all grown up around people of all colors that come to our country
for a better life and they usually do end up having a better life. i do feel lucky to live in this country even though i know we are not perfect.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 07:12 AM by Anonymous ATS
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reply to post by resistancia
Look i'm not going to flame you, i'm just saying that i'm an american and i know no one like the american you describe, maybe and probably there
are some out there, but i haven't even come across them and that means that they are very few and far between.
now i do feel for you when you say your being bombarded with american things, i've been to a few countries and there are a lot of american things in
other countries. but it's not the american peoples fault, okay? just blame the government from now on and not the people, the politicians are the
ones you should be mad at, we americans aren't very happy with our government either.
this isn't a flame okay? just tellin' ya how it is.
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 08:03 AM by MidNight sun
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Look the american people aren't idiots or ignorant, we know that are country's in trouble and has problems - just like all countries in the world -
and we know that there are countries out in the world that are just as good or even better than ours. but we also know that are country -even with
it's problems - is good.
and just like ANYBODY in their country we're proud to live here. we don't go on and on about how 'good' and 'great' our country is, that's only
the dumb nuts out there, and all countries have them. if your going to take those meager amount of people and loop all americans with them, then YOUR
the ignorant, idiotic one.
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