Everyone Hates America....Dont they??, page 3
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:17 AM by JonathanNicholas
reply to post by DantesLost



"I do not like ignorant, big mouthed, ballsy Americans"

Who likes ignorant,big mouthed ballsy people from ANY country?You imply that americans are the only people on earth capable of these character flaws?You are simply taking another opportunity to insult and demean america and americans and you either won't admit it or are too full of anger to realise it.

"I don't like that attitude either.And when you try and point it out to them,thats when the accusations of being anti-American start."

Thats just what you are,you hate america and americans but just don't have the guts to admit it.By the way,ignorance is not a choice someone makes-

"ignorant
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 a: destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence "

Maybe where you're from ignorance is a reason to dislike someone but where i'm from we treat one another with a mutual respect and a common decency regardless of where they are from.Although I'm sure you won't believe that. But I will finish by saying that while I may not agree with you, I respect your right to believe what you do.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:40 AM by resistancia
reply to post by JonathanNicholas



It was actually me, resistancia who stated that "I do not like ignorant, ballsy big mouthed Americans".

I did not use the word hate. I did not say all Americans.

You need to put the heat on the right person before you flame them.
You flamed the wrong person. Flame me...I really don't mind at all


Merry Christmas all
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 02:51 AM by haika
reply to post by alyosha1981



What do you mean with "love it or leave it"? Remember that there are a bunch of people in ATS that don't even live in the USA, let alone the whole American continent.

And I applaud your view on the country. Everyone should feel the same way about their own country. All those other GREAT countries in the world, many in which people are educated, know about other cultures, speak other languages and are not paranoid about terrorist attacks or their own government spying on them.....oh wait? That sounds like freedom, doesn't it?


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:21 AM by JonathanNicholas
My apologies to Dante'sLost. I did mean to reply to you.I never stated that you claimed to hate americans,it was my opinion I stick by it and I felt I made that clear. You can pretend to pity us all you want,i have never pitied anyone,it requires arrogance and condesention especially in this context.
I have never met anyone personally that feels other countries must "submit and obey" america. That is a common stereotype and it happens to be a false one at that. We don't ask questions?Our president has one of the lowest approval ratings,mainly do to with the war in Iraq,Congress has the lowest approval rating-ever. This is precisely BECAUSE we ask questions of our own leaders. I suppose you are of the opinion that no other country holds guns, religion, and oil above all else?I can name a few. Americans who want to arm themselves for protection is a bad thing? I'd say thats an opinion. Oh and I suppose there is no religion where you're from,ok.
This is a capitalist society Agit8d,money is what makes our system go round,it has to be important to us.That doesnt make us golddiggers. Pride?There is nothing wrong with taking pride in whatever you do.Greed bothering you? I guess no one, not even a small minority in your country cares about money or power. Tell me where is this magical place you speak of? You say you love the majority of our people, so you're criticism is aimed at the minority of corrupt ,greedy poloticians,billionairs and gun toting Jesus freaks. My only point is,if you are going to point at the minority of bad people in america, then you have to point to every single country on this planet,period.What does it help to point out the corruption in the U.S when it exists everywhere? Are we supposed to apologize for not being perfect even when we never claied to be in the first place? If you are going to hate the U.S for those things you mentioned then you have to hate the rest of the world too, but we already know the world is screwed up so whats the point? You have a valid point about Israel I'll grant you that.But the other problems you mentioned are not indigenous to the U.S.A my friend.Your posts are exactly why americans on ATS rushed to the defense of our country during the first thread months ago,it had nothing to do with not being able to accept a little constructive criticism.It had to do with the hipocrisy behind the criticisms,and it still does.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:49 AM by Dermo
Originally posted by alyosha1981

No on second thought, I'm not done, I am thankful to have been born into the GREATEST country in the world no question.I am free to believe in what I choose to believe, free to do what I want to do when I want to do it and I don't care what people say, soldiers have given their lives for what I as well millions and millions of other AMERICAN people enjoy "we will not forget" and every morning that I wake up in this great country I feel sorry for the poor souls that don't have the good fortune of being a citizen of the US OF A!!! God bless AMERICA!!!!!!


This is it.. its always the same kind of statements. The exact same conditioned thinking as the previous posters who made the same statement. Why do you think you are so special in the US as opposed to the rest of the world?

Greatest country in the world for the 50 years after since ww2.. yes. Now.. it is a matter of opinion. You have the best army in the world. Not the greatest country im afraid. "Greatest Country In The World" = Cold War conditioning...

There are not that many people around the world who are not free to choose what they want to believe in. Why do you think that is special to the US??

There are not that many people around the world who are not free to what they want to do when they want to. Why do you think that this is special to the US??

Why do you think that the rest of the world wants to live in the USA?

Please.. someone from the US, just answer me this question intelligently ---> Who are all these people around the world that are oppressed, have no freedoms, liberties and pride in their countries that make you want to go on and on about how you are so lucky to have them??

You go on as if noone else has any of these things.. thats why its so annoying.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:56 AM by JonathanNicholas
reply to post by SPIRAL.ZONE



You know it astounds me how easily people from other countries can make statements like "why dont american understand why they are hated" and how sorry you all feel for us and how uneducated we are.There were posts in the original thread that actually said "its not your fault you are too ignorant to realise how ignorant you truly are"
Americans do understand why we are hated,we just don't agree with your reasons,understand?A racist can walk up to me and try to explain to me why they feel African-Americans are inferior to whites,but regardless of the argument put forth,I am still going to disagree with him because his reasoning is flawed and based on prejudice and ignorance.

"America is not appreciated, however americans in general are not disliked. In fact a lot of people feel sorry for americans and the way they are denied education and information."

What books are you reading?Thats almost too ridiculous a statement to respond to,say what you want but this is still the most free country in the world,americans get information from any source they want,this website is proof of that.This is not a communist society you are aware we have the ability to buy books from around the world not to mention a little thing called the internet plus a liberally biased media who despises anything pro-america.It is hard to get any real news that doesnt involve criticism of america.
And if you really feel that americans are just too uneducated and ignorant to understand the world,then why say anything at all about it?Do you walk up to the mentally handicapped on the street and tell them how sorry you feel for them?It's the same arrogance I sensed in the earlier thread a few months back from people outside this country.Either that or you're just being rude.Well I don't feel sorry for anyone I treat everyone the same,always have.Peace.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:15 AM by Dermo

What books are you reading?Thats almost too ridiculous a statement to respond to,say what you want but this is still the most free country in the world


This is the ignorance that person was talking about and the conditioning i was talking about.

The USA does not have anywhere near the highest standard of living in the world.
Click

The USA does not have anywhere near the highest social and political freedoms in the world.

The USA does not have the highest economic freedoms in the world. Click

The USA does not have anywhere near the highest sexual and racial equality. Click
Etc, Etc, Etc

There are dozens of other countries that are statistically better in regards 'freedom, liberties, standard of living' etc but the people from these countries don't go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 05:49 AM by SPIRAL.ZONE
Reply to Jonathan


Sorry man if you fell offended.
If of course everything is available in the US, it's the use of things that might not be appropriate.
Also, please note that many other countries, including the one I live in are full of the same defaults.
Thing is Education standards in the US are just not comparable to Europe..
Why is it most people in the US can't pinpoint a country on a map?
I've been to some remote villages in India where guys would immediately know where I was from and would ask relevant info.

Another thing....In many posts on this site I noticed a lot americans complaining they were fooled by their media and that they looked to foreign media to get info about things happening in their own country....
(How can that be....I wonder...lol)

Having been to America a few times, I fully understand my comments do not apply to everyone over there. In fact the problem is that many well educated are dismissed as being "traitors to the nation" for making sensible comments on the state of their nation...

Last thing...We would all like to see America be what it's supposed to be, not a "fake Disneyland" that barricades itself from the people of the world....(check out the thread abut the right to food for example)...Only you guys can change it. Oh and if you're on ATS I guess you can take a bit of criticism on your "wonderful and free" country, and that probably you dont consider yourself a foolish american....

Peace


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 07:12 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by resistancia




Look i'm not going to flame you, i'm just saying that i'm an american and i know no one like the american you describe, maybe and probably there are some out there, but i haven't even come across them and that means that they are very few and far between.

now i do feel for you when you say your being bombarded with american things, i've been to a few countries and there are a lot of american things in other countries. but it's not the american peoples fault, okay? just blame the government from now on and not the people, the politicians are the ones you should be mad at, we americans aren't very happy with our government either.
this isn't a flame okay? just tellin' ya how it is.
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