A 2nd American Civil War...?, page 1
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Topic started on 22-12-2008 @ 08:04 AM by Jkd Up
It has come to my attention that not only with the recent election, coupled with the reaction for said election, that racism is still very previlent in the United States. Could this be by design?

Race issues have been quiet and a topic not to be tread on since the L.A. Riots (a sad time for the African American community due to the fact that most of the buildings and businesses that were damaged and looted were owned by African Americans). It seems as though with a media "no fly zone" on the subject as well as the Jimmy Carter like rise of our president elect.

So here we are, perched upon a presipace, destined to make fools of our selves on a global stage. Or was it all by design...?

How could we have fabricated a better situation for either side to say "In your face!" A white Vet versus a very charismatic colored man (I am not demeaning Obama, only that with the birth certificate is still in question so I cannot pinpoint an origin).

After the stage was set... THEN the media started the circus it's best at... Makng the issuses not the election process or the issuses, they seemed hidden under a vaneer of prejudice.

Here on ATS has been non-stop conversation about prejudice as well as all out rasicsm. I have the believe if people as open minded as we here at ATS {should be/} are... the less then forgiving world may be gearing up for a clash. Could there be a seconsd Civil War in the near future of the United States? I hope not, but I am starting to think otherwise...


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 08:21 AM by Jkd Up
reply to post by titorite



Great points. So you think that a civil war doesn't have to be based on a race issuse as the first was?



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 08:28 AM by Jkd Up
reply to post by arbiture



Wonderful! Just was i was looking for! Great input. Perhaps I was unclear as to the oriinal post, but I as well, believe that blame will be passed onto things that have not healed.

Is the United States ready to move onto being a non-racism nation or will it continue to plague us?


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 08:45 AM by detachedindividual
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I have to agree with this.

I don't think any civil war will be based on race. Sure, there will be spark areas where racist clashes take place, old sentiments rise again, but the vast majority of it will be the public against the government and corporate business.

Most people are naturally against racism, and the youth especially will be the primary force behind any future civil war scenario (they'll be the ones getting off their ass and protesting in the streets when they realize their future has been stolen from them by those in power).
You really don't get a lot of racism in the ranks of those who will be the first ones out there.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 08:46 AM by musselwhite
Ok Theresa,

Maybe I'm backtracking on ground ya'll already covered in the FEMA coffins thread on ATS (I'll go look later) , but I tracked down the original interview of Mr. Dale Bohannon on Youtube. Here is the link :
www.youtube.com...

I had no idea that this interview dated back to 2005, and that Mr. Bohannon's chance encounter with the property owner that day took place in 2000, at least two years before you and I saw them in spring of '02. Listen to Mr. Bohannons recollection of him making the

Listen to Powell's statement. It does not get any matter-of-fact than this.
www.youtube.com...


this was sent to me from a very good friend. we have been following the fema coffins in georgia and increased military presence in the state of georgia.

there is a connection between the colin powell video and the fema coffins in georgia. colin powell states there is a crisis coming on the 21st or 22nd of january, 2009 but does not know what type of crisis. knows the date of the crisis but not the crisis???????



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 09:01 AM by Jkd Up
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Sure he knows the date and the event... But, you wouldn't want FEMA to have wasted all that money on alllllll those coffins and let us know WHAT is going to happen (allowing more survivors).

I have heard about the FEMA coffins and it puzzles me. Like the Purple Hear order the military placed before the D-Day invasion... They are still using the Purple Hearts from that order to this day... Their nothing but successful invasion was set up to be a suicide mission from the order of the Purple Hearts.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:12 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Something to remember is that recorded history is written by the victors of the conflict and, as such, the viewpoints of those defeated are presented as to show them in the worst light possible. That said, the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather about the states rights to govern themselves without undue federal manipulation. The average southerner was not a slave owner; very few were, and the percent of the southern population that owned slaves was probably comprable to their northern wealthy counterparts. Slavery did need to be abolished, but to insist that the Civil War was for this purpose overlooks the great coup that the federal government pulled off in eliminating the rights of the states to manage govern themselves and handed that control over to a group of politicians located in Washington D.C., all bundled up together where they can be controlled and manipulated by TPTB with only the illusion that the people have an influence on their elected officials.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:16 AM by detachedindividual
reply to post by autowrench



It depends how it happens.

If there is massive civil unrest, people will be losing track of what the media are telling them and they'll see the authorities cracking down on their lives directly.

When it starts to effect people in a personal way, that is when people will start fighting back.
I would expect a few months of news reports about riots and unrest before anything major actually happens. But as long as it is prolonged and retaliatory, it will inevitably lead to a national problem that even the authorities would not be able to combat efficiently.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:41 AM by daddyroo45
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As a point of fact.The war between the states did not start over racial issues.In the 1850's the southern states had an abundance of cotton to sell.The textile mills in the north(owned by several of the congressmen)set the price at $.03 per lb.The textile mills in England offered over twice that amount.The northern congressmen forwarded a bill to more than double the export tax on cotton.Whereby it would cost the southern states more than the cotton would bringto export. The northern states had a majority of votes in the congress that brought this about.
The conflict was born out of states rights.The right for a soveriegn state to free trade.Slavery(as abhorent as it was) was not even an issue until after the war was well underway.
Not trying to take this thread off topic,just pointing out facts.
I believe there will be a civil war fought again on our soil.Not a race war though.A war fought to regain our rights and liberties from an ever increasingly oppressive government.



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:45 AM by Jkd Up
reply to post by daddyroo45



Thank you for the correction. I am not above or beyond it in anyway! Thanks!

I agree but I was wondering if they (ooooo! there's that "They" again) would use the race issue to inspire it. Considering that seems to be hot and on everyone's minds...


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:56 AM by lagnar
The only prejudice I have ever had is against the government, and I'll never change it seems.

I took my buddy to get his social security card recently after police took all of his identification and "lost it." As the clerk was stating that you needed more than a birth certificate, indeed you needed at least an I.D. card to get a social security card (mkay?), there was a man behind her with an evil little grin. You could see he was getting real pleasure out of my bud's predicament. I asked him what was so funny in as intimidating and boisterous a voice as I could muster. It was substantial, I admit, but he just stared at me, and kept that "I want to slap it off his face!" smile until the clerk said she'd call security and have me removed if I caused a problem. First how are you supposed to get an I.D. card without a social security card in the first place? You can't - at least in Kentucky. And second who the hell was this perversion of humanitarianism? It truly didn't matter as long as I remember his face (which is hard to forget). I thought to myself that very second, "I'll see you soon enough scum." - thinking the revolution isn't far away.

I have always despised controller over controlled...especially when the controlled don't know they are being led along by seemingly incognito means. There is something going on, and they seem to know more than they are telling anyone. I have no doubt what those coffins are there for, and somewhere deep down, neither do any of you. I also have no doubt there will be a Revolution. Indeed, with the weapons they have now, we may lose, but it would have been worth every single life finally liven if only for that short brightest match time period.

It doesn't matter what they do to people, for as soon as people realize on mass that they've been backed into a corner (smart and not so smart alike), instinct and reaction will take over. It's supposed to be this way. It has always been this way. It will always be this way. People have a disposition to Freedom, whether they know they have to pay for it or not, and it isn't given up easily. That's why they've been drugging us for the last 80 some-odd years. However, I think their drugs have simply caused their own fates far worse destinies when it comes face to face with them. I know I'll remember that face for as long as it takes...

Viva Le Revolutione!


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:16 AM by daddyroo45
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There is no doubt that there will be many different aproaches used to justify the ends.Raceism,religous differences,economic pressures. I believe that the first issue will be a lack of food.Currency won't be worth the paper it's written on.Food costs will skyrocket,people won't be able to afford food when a loaf of bread is $20.Hordes of people will leave the inner cities looking to "live off the fat of the land".In the countryside the people will protect what they have,with whatever force is available to them. The government will stand by and let this happen for a while.This action will not only thin out the population,it will throw the people into chaos.Disorderly people will commit stupid blunders,which will allow them to be subdued readily.
In essence we will become our worst enemy,Unless....People will have to learn to respect one another and work together against those that would oppress us.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 01:22 PM by Jkd Up
Originally posted by daddyroo45
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post by Jkd Up




In essence we will become our worst enemy,Unless....People will have to learn to respect one another and work together against those that would oppress us.


there is no way that the general populace will join together and even if the did, where would they begin? People are too dependent upon the system.

For years they have been dumbed down by television, become complacent by fast everything (instant gradification).

I dare say that most people would not be able to start a fire with a single match. Certainly I cannot think that those people are just going to come into the country and ask nicely to share tidings.

I may be sounding mean, but when was the last time you got cut off in traffic... Never mind in a life threatening situation like this.

Sorry, I just can't see people joining together. No unless their's a patsey involved...
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