"I just want to note that coming to God out of fear for the satan or hell is not the way of a divine offering of ones self for Thee. Fear actually misleads one to understand the unconditional love. If you fear that you might not do something right and this will result in you going to hell....you are missing what the divine nature is."

******not at all. We don't define God, he defines us and he created us. He left us his true word and the commandments. He has revealed his nature to us. The divine nature is that he is a loving God, a parent, an enforcer, a just God that wants no one to go to Hell but he is also a just God and a jealous God, and a wrathful God if his commandments are not followed. The wages of sin is death even one. He gave us an out to repent and follow his commandments, but its our choice. LV, we don't make the rules or tell God how he is going to be. He tell us and we follow.

"Its not hard to see this. The life of Jesus says it all. Even though it was said that a man would have to shed blood for the final sacrifice and even though men did kill Christ....which was something according to that religion that Must be done for us all to be forgiven....Jesus still says....For give them, for they know not what they do."

******LV, they didn't kill JESUS. Jesus died and brought himself back to life to be our savior. LV, Jesus is God veiled, to come down to us and be out savior. Its all about blood, sin and the original sin from Adam. All the new Age rationalization won't take away from the truth. All of Gods prophets have warned of his judgement that is coming upon this Earth. False prophets like Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, the list is vast have clue what a prophet is God is like. These are false prophets of Satan and will be judged as such.

"It is unconditional. Claiming Christ or God out fear from hell is not the narrow path."

*****Says who?? you are not correct. It is conditional upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ, not CHRIST without name, but Jesus alone. Its not fear, it a warning that this is the punishment for sin. Pick which you want for your eternity. All the wishful thinking and philosophy won't change truth. Its not my truth, it is the truth that God has told us.

"he taught us how to raise our vibrations through offering, forgiveness, compassion, mercy and grace."

****those are fruits of the spirit. But Jesus said, I am the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except though me. His words alone.

"If you think God is a demanding, ruling, controlling kind of God. Surely, that is what your after life will be. The ideas of us being co-creators is too much for most...but yet, dangerous to those that believe in a God demanding a eternity of worship."

*****Read the Bible and discover God, but only the King James Version or not. Its up to you and your acceptance of Jesus Christ.

"Its very simple really. A divine nature does not bring you to Thee through fear, through blood, or through demands and force. These all defeat the purpose of what we are here for and blemishes the divine in the eyes of man."

*****I'm sorry, but you don't know the true nature of the God that created our universe and will bring us into eternity. Satan is real and he is allowed to roam and tempt to lead us away......

"Seek and you shall find. I dont imagine this is talking about scriptures. "

******This what I'm trying to tell you.........Seek and you shall find.

The Bible tells us what to seek first:

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;

and all these things shall be added unto you.
The Bible promises results for our seeking efforts (also in Luk 11:9-10):
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you;
seek, and ye shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and
he that seeketh findeth; and
to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
God created mankind to seek:
Act 17:27 That they [all nations of men] should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
In the Bible's Old Testament, the encouragement continues:
Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
And again in:
Jer 29:12 Then shall ye call upon me [the Lord], and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me [the Lord], and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Finally, Jesus Christ invites us to open the door to Him:
Rev 3:20 Behold [Here I am!], I [Jesus Christ] stand at the door, and knock: if any man [anyone] hear[s] my voice, and open[s] the door, I will come in to him, and will sup [eat] with him, and he with me.
Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord & Saviour, and from this day forward, you are a born again Christian, destined for eternity in Heaven, bypassing the white throne judgment of God (Rev 20:6, 11).
To accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, thereby accepting God's free gift of everlasting life and salvation through Jesus, God's only begotten Son, go to:

LV, we need to go back to the occult vs Satanism or whatever, and discuss the religious aspect elsewhere. This is perfectly linked but the link is not understood by others.

"I'm sorry, but you don't know the true nature of the God that created our universe and will bring us into eternity"

****You might want to let God know that I am not following the correct way...because Thee has shown me other wise. You might want to leave the judging up to Thee for you might not understand how Thee judges.

I only speak because I have been shown things that no book will explain...only through seeking Thee for the will of a divine nature and for service to others has Thee shown me how unconditional Thee is.

You might want to let God know that I am not of pure spirit, because for about 9 months now....Thee has thought other wise of me. My purpose is not for me, it is for others. My purpose is not of a self, it is for Thee. When I knocked....this is what Thee showed me.

When I took the turn down the narrow path, I knew, there was no turning back. I knew I would have to share what Thee showed me, there is no other way. Its not for my will....and this is what allowed me to see this narrow path.

I speak because the masses follow a need of blood for God, a need of rejection from God, a punishment for the souls who "know not what they do". When you forgive those souls that are still lost, you make a claim to the heavens of love and forgiveness. This is a key to open realms no book will show you. Have you ever felt God smile?? It is the most amazing thing that no earthly words could give credit to.

I can only speak what I have been shown. Me going against what Thee has shown me would be worse then someone going against a book that they believe in.

My best,
LV

Originally posted by Skyfloating
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Millions of Christian and Islamic tracts, books, videos, sermons warn of the "dangers of the occult",

Because they fear an overthrow... They, not individual Christians or Muslims, but those who control the institution of those religions would rather continue fighting their wars and destroying life than to have man's spiritual eyes opened.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

You also......its a learning experience. I have found out that EVERYONE I meet is my teacher, no matter who. I am a student.

Sincerely. Tom

Grandma, you have assumed that my definition of fear was being afraid and this is not true. Don't assume. I understand the fear that is given to God is respect and love, and not the fear that causes one to be afraid. This is the label that the others have assumed, not me.

In the Old Testament, a "son of god" was not the same Son of God after Jesus was born, died and rose again to be our savior. A son of God in the Old testament was Adam born of the breath of God with no mother or father. The "sons of God" were fallen angels of Genesis 6, mated with Daughters of man, to create the Angelic hybrids called nephilim. They exist today and are the alleged "Aliens" that people think come from Space. Another discussion in a way. they brought the Occult, and all that comes with it. Jesus was Gods only begotten son because he was born of Gods seed and Mary, of the royal line of David. Joseph could not be the father due to lacking the royal line. He was sinless and died sinless and rose to be our Messiah

We can only have a relationship with God through Jesus, and the only way we can become sons or Daughters of God. The ones you mentioned in the Old testament were directly confronted by God, visions, or dreams directly. They were also sons of man and not sons of God. Nowhere in the Bible will you find one that is referred to as a Son of God. They were chosen by God to be chosen but not sons of God. It was time for blood sacrifices and this ended when Jesus was born and made our perfect lamb. This is the issue when the Anti-Christ comes into the game yet to come, and in Daniel 9:27 stops sacrifices. Sometime in the very near future the Jews will rebuild the Temple and they will start the blood sacrifices in the near future.


"The Heavenly Father is indeed a mystery. He has shown great compassion to all of the above. And I agree to a point that there should be Godly fear.....but not the kind of fear you are talking about. One should NEVER come to the Father out of fear. He doesn't desire that kind of heart in his children. He wants us to come to him out of love."

*****Uh yes....and this is what the others were assuming the fear meant, not me. Make no mistake he loves us all but, he is coming back to judge all those on earth and all those that have ever lived. He will be a God of wrath in according to the Scriptures. You can't just pick and chose verses you like. You cannot forget that he will destroy 1/3 of mankind, he destroyed sinful man corrupted by the seed of nephlim, in the flood, and the next tribulations will be the full fury of Gods wrath. It will be well deserved as man has turned his back on the sacrifice of Jesus and Jesus will not come back to bring people together per his own words, he will come back to judge. The Anti-Christ yet to come will fool many people...........11 Thess.

OT:

Ok people, enough of the Bible verses. That isn`t what this topic is about, remember? "Occultism is not Satanism"

What does quoting Bible verses have to do with the topic? If you want to quote verses, please start a new topic about it.

Grandma,

Satan also puts sparks in peoples heart, hence mormonism, Islam, Hindu, hariChrisna, New Age Christ consciousness, we are all God stuff......the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit to keep us on track with Gods voice. Its an instruction manuel, a how to do it and the law by God himself so that man will know that the voice of the Holy Spirit is the true one as it matches the Bible. It also tells us about false religions that are inspired by Satan. You also know when evanglicals, Priests and preachers are not telling the truth. This is why the Catholic clergy translate the Bible for the Catholic and discourages them from reading the Bible on their own. This is why the other false religions have their own "books". and this is why there is so many different translations of the King James Version....Satan is a busy busy boy.