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posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:43 AM
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Sorry, but God says so himself in the Bible. Only Jesus is our advocator and lawyer for now. IN the coming year of the Lord he will come as our judge. The next ruler will appear to be as Christ but it will be a lie and he will turn out to be evil. There will be no doubt who Jesus is in his second coming.




posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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The Bible says that God did confuse the languages to stop the building.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:49 AM
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Truth is not fear, truth is truth. If you were walking down a railroad with ear protectors on and couldnt' hear anything but a microphone in your ear and a train is coming down the tracks. You don't want to hear negatives like a train is coming so you ignore the warnings until the train hits you. The train is reality.......and your fear is a warning. its called a shock doctrine and its because he loves man he is giving man time and a wake up call to come to repentence.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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"If one keeps trying to hold man back....this was not of Thee. This would go against unity and peace...to hold man back. Confusing them all the more, making them feel separated all the more, brings conflict and pride of ones self."

*****Quite the opposite......this world of flesh is temporary and it will end. God wants us to have eternal life and move forward in Heaven and to have an eternal relationship with God. This is the reason he came to Earth as man, Jesus to give his life so that we may live. Jesus then was raised from the dead into the eternal, body quickened for an eternity. 400+ eyewitnesses saw him after his death and resurrection. Eternity will not be here on earth as we are now. He will create a new heaven and a new earth.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by tgambill
Truth is not fear, truth is truth. If you were walking down a railroad with ear protectors on and couldnt' hear anything but a microphone in your ear and a train is coming down the tracks. You don't want to hear negatives like a train is coming so you ignore the warnings until the train hits you. The train is reality.......and your fear is a warning. its called a shock doctrine and its because he loves man he is giving man time and a wake up call to come to repentence.


It`s only truth because you believe it to be, it`s truth to only those who want it to be. Your truth is not everyones truth, and the same goes with mine. Everyone has their own version of what the truth is. It`s not up to you or me to sell our version to anyone else, they will find truth on their own. And it still stands, fear changes people. Fear is still fear, no matter how you want to deny it. You see, you can make a thousand threads telling me that what you sell is not fear, and I will come back a thousand times telling you that you are still denying it.

If it is not fear that you speak of, then the hell you talk about is a good place then, right? People are not to fear it? The same goes with Satan then also, right? People are not to fear him? Oh wait a minute, there`s that word......fear.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 06:32 AM
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Good post and you are so right but the good thing is if a person has a special ability now in this day they wont be hanged or tried for using it. I am pagan and I have been way before I new the name of my belief. I have had people ask me if that is witchcraft with a weird look in their eyes like I was not normal or bad. The truth is what I believe and pratice is not evil at all it is a very beautiful and peaceful belief if you purpose is not just for personal gain. Of course you have the people that do it for that reason but I dont think they get very far before the karmic 3 fold will happen. I also think there is evil everywhere in every religion and it seems that different religions nit-pick or disagree with each other look down on the other. I say all religion is good religion as long as it makes the man have morals and believe in something greater them thy self. I am occult I have adopted a nature based religion and it is beautiful, I have never and never plan to use it on anyone that hasnt asked me too do so and I do not put negativity that way either. So yeah it makes me mad when other religions dont offer the same respect that they expect. The word occult has taken on the negitive side meaning just like the pentagram has been used in so many movies it is commonly thought to be evil..or satanic....nope nope.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Hey ya,

Without making this post EXTREMELY long dissecting of Gen 10 and 11....Ill just note a few things that I found interesting when researching Genesis.

First issue, God chose to use a language that had words with many different meanings. So forever, we all debate on what everything means. Short examples, the meaning of the term 'day'.

Jumping to the flood-second issue. God brings the flood to rid Earth of the bad seed but after the flood the bad seed is still on the Earth (this is where we get the old stories of Og hanging on to Noahs boat during the flood).

Jumping to Gen 11:7
Go to, let us go down and there confound their language that they may not understand one anothers speech.
Yahab yarad balal saphah aher sham iysh rea saphah.

If someone could point out to me where the use of 'NOT' is in the original Hebrew verse, I would appreciate that.

Yahab-come
yarad-to go down, to descend
balal-to mix
saphah-feminine use for 'bassin'
-language
-speech
-outer covering
-lips

aher-that
shama-to hear intelligently, to hear with knowledge
-the arabic meaning is 'light'
iysh-man, husband, one man, mankind, a kind
rea- fellow, friend, another

I think its very possible that man was trying to relate what they knew of to the tales of past histories. Man saw different skins, different languages, different 'lights'.....Babylon was obviously a oral story, it along with the creation stories and the flood stories have survived through many nations and their histories.

I just see no reason why God would be bothered with man trying to build a tower to the heaven. Was God worried that it would work?? Why not just let them build away? Many were doing wrong around this time in history....according the the Bible, why pick on Babylon.

The story is a deeper meaning for the Harlot of mankind....which is the spirit of life that has descending into all of mankind, allowing man to use her for the life she gives. The 'lights' of man....only on the outside do we perceive everyone different.

So do you believe that Egypt and Sumerian stories all originated from the Bible?

Do you believe that the Hebrew language is the true language?

People dont have to look hard to see that although the OT God despises things like that seem ocultish, there are many occultisj things in the Bible that relate to nature, stars, and the order of all things.

I feel that almost everything before the flood story is all symbolic of explaining a much bigger picture then just a family bloodline. It actually explains the sciences, orders, and evolving of Earth and man together.

Take the rainbow for example. The rainbow seemed to be something new to Noah, something he had not seen....were the atmospheres not the same before the flood? Something seemed to of changed, and it also effects the ages that man was able to live to (if you believe that those ages really represent a true age of man).

Yahweh might have received Israel as inheritance....but then he got greedy and decided he wanted the whole world. Then man gets ordered by 'god' to kill these other nations that god lost hope in so they could have this promised land. What about the commandments though....would god order a law then order for man to brake that law?

Forgive for my sloppy throw together about Gen....to go in depth of that would need a entire thread to itself.

Just thoughts, as always,
LV



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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"I just see no reason why God would be bothered with man trying to build a tower to the heaven. Was God worried that it would work?? Why not just let them build away? Many were doing wrong around this time in history....according the the Bible, why pick on Babylon. "

*****God had his reasons and who are we to question the being that created the universe. read the Bible for the answers. We can't intellectualize the creator who has 11+ dimensions to our four. He knows the past, present and future and he KNEW YOU at the time of creation and every decision that you would make even then.

"So do you believe that Egypt and Sumerian stories all originated from the Bible?"

*****No, they originated from Satan's inspiration.

"Do you believe that the Hebrew language is the true language?"

******I thought English was......
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"People dont have to look hard to see that although the OT God despises things like that seem ocultish, there are many occultisj things in the Bible that relate to nature, stars, and the order of all things."

******not at all...........he is specific about us using the Occult.

"I feel that almost everything before the flood story is all symbolic of explaining a much bigger picture then just a family bloodline. It actually explains the sciences, orders, and evolving of Earth and man together. "

*****No, it was designed to kill off the Nephilim and man's seed to start again.

"Yahweh might have received Israel as inheritance....but then he got greedy and decided he wanted the whole world. Then man gets ordered by 'god' to kill these other nations that god lost hope in so they could have this promised land. What about the commandments though....would god order a law then order for man to brake that law?"

*******No they were Pagans, human sacrifices to false gods and all sorts of evil.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by tgambill
"I just see no reason why God would be bothered with man trying to build a tower to the heaven. Was God worried that it would work?? Why not just let them build away? Many were doing wrong around this time in history....according the the Bible, why pick on Babylon. "

*****God had his reasons and who are we to question the being that created the universe. read the Bible for the answers. We can't intellectualize the creator who has 11+ dimensions to our four. He knows the past, present and future and he KNEW YOU at the time of creation and every decision that you would make even then.

"So do you believe that Egypt and Sumerian stories all originated from the Bible?"

*****No, they originated from Satan's inspiration.

"Do you believe that the Hebrew language is the true language?"

******I thought English was......
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"People dont have to look hard to see that although the OT God despises things like that seem ocultish, there are many occultisj things in the Bible that relate to nature, stars, and the order of all things."

******not at all...........he is specific about us using the Occult.

"I feel that almost everything before the flood story is all symbolic of explaining a much bigger picture then just a family bloodline. It actually explains the sciences, orders, and evolving of Earth and man together. "

*****No, it was designed to kill off the Nephilim and man's seed to start again.

"Yahweh might have received Israel as inheritance....but then he got greedy and decided he wanted the whole world. Then man gets ordered by 'god' to kill these other nations that god lost hope in so they could have this promised land. What about the commandments though....would god order a law then order for man to brake that law?"

*******No they were Pagans, human sacrifices to false gods and all sorts of evil.



Im not trying to 'know what God' was doing when the story says he confused the languages....Im saying, I dont get caught up in a God that sits around intervening in ways to cause man to feel more separated. If there was a supernatural intervention here then it would be of a 'ruler' or power wanting to keep man from unity. Gods way is natural order, this is what I have learned. If the languages are different, its because they evolved that way...different lands, different races. The Bible tried to explain all of this and so do other civilizations. It seems the tower of Babel was kinda like the first 'Urban' area, man coming together in one place to converse and learn from each other. Wars also came from this time because man realized they have a hard time agreeing with each other. Im sure it didnt take long for bad tales to become a part of Babylons history. Our bodies are literally instruments for the 'word' if tuned correctly. Through this, one learns, Thee one of all things follows a natural order.

There are occult things in the Bible, there are lost and misunderstood tracings of the old star religions. We still carry our most famous holidays on these same times of the yr. just under a new name. The use of prophesying, star savior, light beings, the use of Epods, the fear of certain 'buildings' (just had to throw that in there), the use of God being in a box (the ark), the use of a rod and serpent, the play on a royal bloodline, and justifications (excuses) for killings and blood shed are what some would call occult beliefs.

The 'mighty men' were still on Earth after the flood....did Gods flood plan not work?

THE BLOODSHED--So all of those people that were killed in the name of God by David and all of him before that....was for what?? A sacrafice?

Bottom line......it seems though MANY MANY 'gods' wanted blood sacrifices made to them, it was nothing new to mankind to give a blood sacrifice to their 'god'. Yahweh needed this blood, Thee most high one of all does not. Thee is the one that runs through all life, the rulers constantly using the power of the death of this life, even bringing man to prophecies about future blood sheds, wars, demands for a kill. Its a cycle of separation. To think all of these people are waiting on Christ to come unite the world and do away with wrong people....when mabey we are to weed all of this out ourselves, become a part with the ONE in unity. See some are waiting on God....I think its total opposite, God is waiting on us.

And about Egypt and Sumerian....not all 'sons' of god were negative, there was a time when both polarities were here together....not all 'light' of god became what you call 'evil'.

Each to their own,
always, LV



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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There is a conspiracy that is so well hidden to the American public that its ingenius. There is a conspiracy to bring this world to a New World Order. It is above and beyond any subject that can be discussed here and in fact the root reason most of the subjects and reports here exist in the first place. Understand, the evidence, incidents, reports, quotes, and report of Plans is IRREFUTABLE and people are so fooled they don't even want to look at the evidence much less believe it once they pull their heads from the sand. It will in fact change ALL our lives shortly in the USA and until they declare Martial law, crash the dollar and put us in the North American Union will people wake up..........................

The conspirators, 13 famlies in all, with thousands of puppets, confirmed, have controlled this conspiracy for generations. They in fact dedicate their newborn to Lucifer in family traditional ceremonies to carry on this conspiracy. Now before you answer back trying to intellectualize this, I suggest that you do just 30 minutes of research to check it out. Its A FACT just like the sun will come up tomorrow morning. People are sleeping and this is going to change your life in ways you cannot imagine.

As are others that know about this, many of us are getting frustrated trying to warn people so as reduce the shock factor when this thing hits........its almost not worth the trouble to warn people.

Its coming now sooner than ever.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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What exactly do all of these rants have to do with the thread topic?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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It has everything to do with the thread.

Hate Crimes to control religion and destroy traditional family protocol leading to the acceptance of the New World Order as dictated by Illuminati/Mason Adam Weishaupt's plan finished on May 1, 1776. As you shall see............

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Hate crimes showdown looming in PA
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Pro-family activists in Pennsylvania are gearing up for a showdown over hate crimes legislation.

Although the Pennsylvania state legislature has not convened, at least one state senator has asked colleagues to pass a hate crimes law with the addition of sexual orientation, gender identity, ancestry, and mental and physical disability language.

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Last summer, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court sided with a lower court's decision that passage of the state's hate crimes law was not constitutional. Diane Gramley, president of the American Family Association of Pennsylvania, says laws already on the books address penalties for all crimes.

"There absolutely is a hidden agenda [behind this push], and that is to put a chilling effect upon the First Amendment rights of those with deeply held religious beliefs that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful," she contends.

Gramley points out that in 2004, 11 Christians were arrested in Philadelphia for singing and witnessing at a "gay pride" event. They were charged with a hate crime, but the charges were eventually dropped.


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MIXING Politics and Religion here??? This plan goes back to Adam Weishaupt’s plan to destroy the family unit in order to destroy the country.
Adam Weishaupt was an apostate Jesuit.

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He was the originator to Illuminati or the Global Elite, "cream de la cream" - less than 13 families today. Illuminati means the enlightened ones, as they called themselves.
The other organizations BBG, TC, CFR, RIIA, COMM300 range under this.
May 1st 1776 AW established a masonic lodge-like or a brotherhood Illuminati that later on was financed by Rothschild, Frankfurt Germany. The first aim of Illuminati was to get the members to join the masonic lodges and secretely take over the power in there by acting as a community within the community, and then operate on their plan - One-World-Government - from there.
May 1st is 'Fighting Day Of The Workers', they say - the socialists call it so, thanks exactly to Adam Weishaupt. Adam Weishaupt, born in Germany Februar 6th 1748. He became a priest in the Catholic Order Of Jesuits. Later on he became a Professor on Canonical Right at the University of Ingolfstadt, Germany.
The Order Illuminati is founded on old Persian, Babylonical and Egyptian Mysticism according to the Historian Professor Nesta Webster. According to Professor Robison the aims of the movement:


- to destroy all peaceful governments
- to remove all rights of the citizens
- to remove all private property
- to destroy Patriotism
- to destroy the family unit
- to destroy all religions
- to create a one-world-government with an Army of the world


How do you estimate the succes of this project that Winston Churchill also spoke about:
"The one who cannot see that on Earth a big endeavour is taking place, an important plan, on which realization we are allowed to collaborate as faithful servants, certainly has to be blind" - Winston Churchill - (33 Degree Freemason)

"Destroy the family, and you destroy society." (V. I. Lenin)


No-fault divorce was invented by the Bolsheviks in 1918. The Bolsheviks destroyed the old bourgeois notions of the family and the home, and recreated an allegiance to the government. The United States began a social experiment with no-fault divorce with California's passage of the Family Act of 1969.
NOTE: This was part of Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto”, who obtained the document from Clinton Roosevelt, in 1841, Mason, who obtained his document from …………..Adam Weishaupt’s plan completed on May 1, 1776 passed to Mazzini, Mason, in 1830, then to Clinton Roosevelt, 1834. “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” as it was called in 1904. This is where all the “JEWS” are wrongly blamed even though many Zionist Jews are part of this conspiracy, it is not a Jewish Conspiracy. It’s more of a Freemason Conspiracy but very few Masons of the 33rd degree, Scottish Rite level know about this. It is also a Vatican conspiracy that includes the Black Nobility and the British Royal Family.


Nazi named kids taken by state
Three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in state custody. The children range in age from three to under one. The parents are set to be in court on Thursday. (Jan. 15)

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Children Named After Hitler, Nazis Removed From Parents


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Three children with Nazi-inspired names removed from home in Holland Township, New Jersey.



HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, N.J. -- Police say three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in the custody of the state.

Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris says he was there to keep order Tuesday when workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, Joyce Lynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell.

Harris says DYFS did not tell police the reason the children were removed. DYFS spokeswoman Kate Bernyk says the child-welfare agency does not comment on specific cases.

The children and their parents, Heath and Deborah Campbell,received attention last month when a northwestern supermarket bakery refused to put Adolf Hitler Campbell's name on a birthday cake.
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Now, the store wouldn’t even put the name on the birthday cake and yet I would bet they voted for George Bush, whose grandfather was one of many who fully funded the rise of the Nazi party and Hitler to CAUSE WWII and the deaths of millions. I think that is more significant than a name on a birthday cake. Also, this sets a dangerous precedent in the same way that the Holocaust denial law does in Europe. This is how they work. They set laws and changes to abolish or ban certain issues that they know the public wouldn’t care about or would even support. Then they turn it around and expand its meaning to include other issues not mentioned before. When the Anti-Christ comes to power using the holocaust denial model they will make it a law to deny the Anti-Christ is God when he will claim that he is God. Here the state takes the children away, for the Lifestyle? Now, when the New World Order takes over, it will be anti-Christian and any other religion not subservient to the Anti-Christ who will be Luciferian, New Age Christianity, New Age Movement, based on the Occult. They will take the children to re-indoctrinate them. No more home schooling.

• Karl Marx was a correspondence and political analyst for Horace Greeley, owner of the New York Times. In 1849 both Horace Greeley and Clinton Roosevelt financially assisted the Communist league in London, in the publication of the Communist Manifesto. There are two cheques made payable to Marx by Nathan Rothschild, which can be seen on display at the British Museum in London (William Josiah Sutton, The Illuminati 666, pg. 201.)


1928 - What benefits did I.G. Farben have to give the Nazi Party? Just to name a few, besides a laundry list of other war supplies, Zyklon B, the gas used by Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Agfa, lduwigshafen, Buchenwald, Hoechst and a few others. These boys also produced Chlorine gas used during WWI. Remember Henry Ford. I found out that he merged his German assets with those of Farben. Quote: “Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and WWII.” (Historian Anthony Sutton; “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”, 76 Press, Seal Beach , Ca. 1976; page 33).

NOTE: So, in short, the major source of Hitler’s financial power came from the chemical Cartel called I.G. Farben. The most interesting part of this little bit of trivia is that I.G. Farben had a little known source of its financial power: our very own, Wall Street. This includes Prescott Bush, DuPonts, Rockefeller’s, IBM, Henry Ford, Rothschilds [family to Hitler], and the list goes on.

George Herbert Walker Bush (born June 12, 1924) served as the forty-first President of the United States from 1989 to 1993. Bush held a multitude of political positions prior to his presidency, including Vice President of the United States in the administration of Ronald Reagan (1981–1989) and director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Bush was born in Massachusetts to Senator Prescott Bush and Dorothy Walker Bush.

Analysis: Americans happy 'failed marriage' with Bush is ending
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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Analysis: Americans happy 'failed marriage' with Bush is ending
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For most Americans, the Bush era is ending not a moment too soon.
Most Americans are happy President Bush is leaving the White House.
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As President Bush prepares to leave office, three quarters of Americans have a parting thought: "Good riddance."
Asked their view of President Bush at the end of his presidency, 75 percent said they are glad he is leaving, according to a CNN-Opinion Research Corporation poll taken in December. Only 23 percent said they will miss him.
It's been like a failed marriage. Things started out well. When President Bush first took office, more than 60 percent saw him as strong and decisive.
That impression was re-enforced after the September 11, 2001,attacks when the president stood at Ground Zero and declared, "The people who knocked these buildings down will hear from all of us soon.'' View iconic images from the Bush presidency »
Bush's image of resolve got him re-elected in 2004, when terrorism was the dominant concern. More than 60 percent of Americans continued to see Bush as strong and decisive when he started his second term in 2005.
No more. There is a fine line between resolve and stubbornness, and Bush seems to have crossed it.
Now only 45 percent consider Bush a strong leader.
Bush did once have a reputation as a good manager (61 percent in 2001). Then came Hurricane Katrina in 2005. And Bush's reputation as a manager got blown away. Last month, only 25 percent said he has managed government effectively. View a timeline of key moments in Bush's presidency »
Bush got elected on a promise. "I think that people look for someone who is a uniter, not a divider,'' he said when he first ran for president.
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But the vast majority of Americans now think he betrayed that promise. Only 17 percent now believe Bush united the country.
"I think one of the big disappointments of the presidency has been the fact that the tone in Washington got worse, not better,'' Bush told ABC News. "The tone was rough," Bush said, "and I was obviously partially responsible because I was the president."
Even some conservatives feel betrayed. Evangelical leader Pat Robertson said, "I think we've had some serious goofs along the way. The Katrina matter was terrible. The rebuilding of Iraq has been terrible. The handling of the economy right now has been terrible."
Fewer than a third of Americans believe George W. Bush will go down in history as a good president. Forty percent said Bush leaves a poor legacy and 28 percent said Bush is the worst president in American history.
"I think historians will look back and they'll be able to have a better look at mistakes after some time has passed,'' Bush said at his final news conference on Monday. "I don't think you can possibly get the full breadth of an administration until time has passed.'' Watch Bush's final press conference »
Bush's two signature policies were the war in Iraq and tax cuts. As he leaves office, neither is regarded as a success.
The president argued at his news conference, "When the history of Iraq is written, historians will analyze . . . the decision on the surge."
Americans do acknowledge the security situation in Iraq has improved since Bush sent 30,000 additional U.S. troops.
But public opposition to the war has not budged. More than 60 percent of Americans continue to think the war was a mistake.
Bush also defends his tax policies. "I helped implement tax cuts when I was president," he said, "and I will defend them after my presidency as the right course of action.''
But the outgoing administration's economic record is the weakest of any president since World War II. The country's job growth under Bush: just 2 percent. Bill Clinton's eight years in office saw more than 20 percent job growth. Job growth for the previous nine postwar presidents averaged 12 percent.
"It's sad to say, but we really went nowhere for almost 10 years after you extract the boost provided by the housing and mortgage boom,'' Mark Zandi, chief economist and cofounder of Moody's Economy.com, told The Washington Post. "It's almost a lost economic decade."
President Bush's response: "I inherited a recession. I'm ending on a recession. In the meantime, there were 52 months of uninterrupted job growth."
Bush is proudest of his steadfast leadership after the attacks of September 11, 2001. Indeed, the trauma of the attacks did bring the country together -- for a while. Exactly one year, to be precise. From September 2001 to September 2002, Democrats, Independents and Republicans all supported Bush.
It came to an end in September 2002, when the Iraq rollout and the midterm election campaign began, and the country's bitter divisions re-emerged.
Bush says he has no regrets. "In terms of the decisions that I had made to protect the homeland, I wouldn't worry about popularity," he advised his successor. "All these debates will matter naught if there's another attack on the homeland. ... The question's going to be, 'Why didn't you do something?' "
That's how President Bush wants to be remembered -- as the president who kept the country safe.

NOTE: Per the plan to manipulate the elections that are rigged anyway, each president when done and the Illuminati/Bilderbergers are set for their next puppet, the preceding president will do something stupid or the press will make them look bad and rightfully so, to make the rigging easier to pick the next president who will be from the opposite party. The next president will have been trained and prepared by the Illuminati to play his role for the next phase leading to the New World Order. This is the reality of the U.S. Presidents. This is why I cringe when I hear the confusion of good Americans asking why did he do this or that when they promised otherwise. Or, before the election I hear this president or that one will do things differently. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are all on the same agenda, same conspiracy and say only those things that will appease the voter and make the rigged elections seem not rigged. PEOPLE don’t understand the reality around them and the truth of what is going on, even on the professor or elites level. Those in on the “conspiracy” know very well what I’m talking about. In order for a president to go against his election promise an incident or condition will be engineered to justify his breaking his election promise. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Even FDR did this and it involved the murder of 2,000 Marines and Sailors perpetrated by the FDR policy to sway the American public to support our going to war with Germany on December 7, 1941. The same for 911 when the government planned and orchestrated the murders on that day to justify the fake war on terror and the passing of the Patriot Act to destroy the Constitution leading to the New World Order. THIS IS THE REALITY. THE EVIDENCE IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. Now Obama will play his role in this for the final nail in our coffin, doing what he is told by Z. Brzezinski, a Bilderberger.
FOLKS, this plan encompasses almost every single area of our lives and its so well hidden its mind boggling at times to take it all in. The events in the Middle East today, Movies, UFO's, Education, TV, Radio, Medical, Vaccinations, Religion, passing of Federal and State laws, school shootings, all our presidential assassinations, and attempts, movie stars that draw attention and are instructed on how they are to act in order to influence trends, this list is short.
Social engineers in every generation has five specific areas that are expanded in other organizations and groups to study and implement.

The May 1, 1776 plan's basic objectives included how to:

1. Demolish the very foundations of Bibilical morality.
2. Dismantle the Family, patriotism, and individual Liberty
3. Discard our Constitution and the Republic which it established.
4. Destroy the American Free Enterprize System.
5. Direct our attention toward the United Nations which will drag, and if necessary Drug, us into the Global government for which it was established.


1909 – Meeting of The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, quoted from the minutes of the meeting. “The trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of a single people, is there any means more efficient than war…. They discussed this question…… for a year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war?

[Written by former U.S. Congressman Norman Dodd, testified that he was invited to study the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: Report from Iron Mountain, New York , Dell Pub., 1967].

Now in 1963, the Iron Mountain Commission the work of 15 specially chosen engineers continued this generations contribution to Weishaupt's plan by .....................quantifying the basic goals to these:

1. Economic.
a) A comprehensive social-welfare program, directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life.
b) A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets.
c) A permanent, ritualized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variants of such a system.

2. Political.
a) An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force.
b) An established and recognized extraterrestrial menace.
c) Massive global environmental pollution.
d) Fictitious alternate enemies.

3. Sociological:
- Control function.
a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model.
b) A modern, sophisticated form of slavery.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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3. Sociological:
- Control function.
a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model.
b) A modern, sophisticated form of slavery.

- Motivational function.
a) Intensified environmental pollution.
b) New religious or other mythologies.
c) Socially oriented blood games.
d) Combination forms.

4. Ecological. A comprehensive program of applied eugenics.


5. Cultural. No replacement institution offered. Scientific. The secondary requirements of the space research, social welfare, and/or eugenics programs.


NOTE: Ths is only scratching the surface........Kissinger's Depopulation Plan, NSSM 200, is a significant part of this agenda to cull the population. All our wars have been set up with false flags and premediated construction of enemies to cause the wars. FACT and all is supported by historical records and research.

The New Age Religion and Occult has everything to do with the Luciferian Conspiracy which controls every single aspect of your life and my life. THis thread is only scratching the surface of most all of these threads and this can be proven.....



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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All I see is you are mixing politics and NWO material in a thread about occultism not being satanism. Which to me is totally off topic. The topics might sound related to you, but they sure don't to me.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
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What exactly do all of these rants have to do with the thread topic?

Yea, I gave up on this thread because of the ranting off-topic postings. It belongs on one of the other many more appropriate threads. I was waiting for some correction, because the topic is valid, and some good posts have been made.

It may be too late now: couple pages of unrelated material.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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What people don't realize is that these subjects that appear off topic are not as this is a proven unified Conspiracy that few people have a handle on because they are in denial. This is not meant in disrepect but its a fact. The truth will soon be revealed in the final and complete imposed dictatorship of the U.S. The leaders are in the occult and supernatural worship, and the occult is real as it will show itself to all in the correct time.

Its all connected............its not off topic.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Agreed, that they don't appear to be related but they are. The Illuminati that has planned the NWO for generations, in fact worship the Occult as did Hitler, and most all of the other leaders. The Thule Society was Hitlers outlet and connect for the Occult. He was a grandchild of the Rothschilds. Literally the Illuminati families when not planning the next objectives for the NWO practice Satan worship. They are also members of the Masons that is HEAVY in the Occult and purveyors of the NWO. Each generation, newborn infants of the Illuminati families are in fact dedicated to Satan in a family ritual. Their ritual is in fact, Occult symbols, worship and dedication to the cause of the NWO. Its ALL inter-connected.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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SO, you would rather hide truth for fear of fear. Fear? Its a warning when this new phase kicks off. So, ole TOM not Bill will leave you folks alone a not stir you pot........just remember what I said when first the Mexican economy falls, going on now, we don't have much time until ours will also and then the war, the NWO, and talking about Occult, Satanism, you haven't seen anything yet. They have on purpose adapted Occult symbology for most business logos and products that many peopl are not aware of. It is filled with occult as the NWO is the height of Occult and Satanism.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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The title of this thread alone is ignorant. Occult simply means secret, or study of secret information, such as spiritual, magical etc.

Basically the op is saying, satanism is not the study of secret practices, and it indeed in fact is.

satanism unlike christianity and other structured religions is very un-structured, for the most part, yes there are organizations, but satanism is so unpopular on a mainstream media level that most satanists need to decided to choose and follow their own path, which is why so many satanists have differing beliefs on what satanism is.

The subject couldn't get more secret than it is, A. Crowley himself summoned demons, one being lucifer supposedly, he wrote the book of the law supposedly dictating what a demon told him and the most famous mantra of Crowley comes from this book which is 'do what thou wilt' or 'do whatever you want', Crowley was the most indoctrinated occultist I can think of, he practiced service to self til his death, service to self, or selfishness, is satanism, selflessness, or service to others is Christ-like, period.





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