Why do many Atheists celebrate Christmas?, page 4
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reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



An atheist friend of mine refuses to call it christmas. Instead he calls it "December celebration time". This just goes to show that extremists of any idea are a bad thing


What about "The Primary Gifting Period" or the PGP?

The time between xmas and new years is "Auxiliary Generosity Zone."

Easter: "Hey Bro! Happy 'Implausible Resurrection Festival'!"




reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 10:47 PM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by fooffstarr

I celebrate the winter holidays because where I live at we have cold, dark, dreary yucky weather for six/seven months out of the year.

The "holidays" are a break from the dreary hum drum of winter.

Seeing multiple colored Christmas lights strung all around everywhere like a magical kingdom.

Santa/reindeer/gingerbread men lit up in yards

The excitement of little children in anticipation of "Santa" coming.

People being more kind hearted and generous then other times of the year

Herb stuffed Turkey with giblet gravy.

Cranberry Jubilee,

Cheesy potatoes,

Spinach & artichoke dip,

Homemade Fudge,

Fanny Mae Candy

Stuffed mushrooms

Chocolate,

Broccoli cauliflower cheese casserole,

Listening to Christmas music (I love the medieval carols),

Christmas trees

People feeling free to drop on by,

Surprises,

Singing,

Dancing,

Mulled wine seasoned with cloves

Egg nog

Watching my dog rip open his presents and getting excited

Seeing a small child experiencing much of the above for the first time

My granddaughter’s yearly "Sitting on Santa's lap picture"

Shopping for people that I will never know but need stuff and knowing my small gesture will bring happiness and warmth.

Serving holiday meals at a local "retirement center" and singing carols with people who don't have family and making them less lonely and happy.

Wrapping presents

Having a few extra days off work to watch old movies and cuddle up with significant others

Being able to sleep late on a week day

Getting Christmas cards with pictures of all my friends and their children and grandchildren.

Having family and friends "stay over" and making Omelets and Cinnamon Buns for them the next morning with a exotic coffee

Looking at the store windows all decorated.

Dogs and cats wearing reindeer antlers

Christmas dresses (I always get my granddaughter a special fancy dress so she can feel like a fairy princess)

The feeling that for a brief period most people put aside their differences and join together in brotherly love and hope for a better tomorrow.

Watching "It's a Wonderful Life" for the 1000 th time.

Oh heck, when we retire (I hope somewhere warm and sunny) I'll just string my lights on a palm tree I love the winter holidays.



[edit on 22-12-2008 by ofhumandescent]



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:14 PM by Gregarious
reply to post by fooffstarr



I have a better question for you; why do Christians celebrate Christ mass? It is a pagan celebration to commemorate the birthday of the sun god Saturn, that was mixed with Christianity by a Roman emperor, Constantine, mixing holy with unholy. Astronomical observations made at the time of Christs' birth lead astronomers to know now that Jesus was born on Sept 11th. I don't recall the exact year, but something like 3ad. Up to that time, birthdays were not celebrated, but deathdays, to commemorate what that person did, not might do. No Christian in deed would ever insult Jesus by observing a pagan holiday mixed with his birth.



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:19 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by TruthParadox



I thing I always liked about Christianity was the zombies.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:04 AM by optyk phyba
reply to post by fooffstarr



merry christmas fooffstarr....

i will be celebrating the summer solstic (aussie) with good friends and family. because of work constraints many of us use this time to reconnect with each other. and the kids get to play with each other too.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:17 PM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by fooffstarr

Also for the record, The ancient Pagan Holiday Yule was celebrated way before the Christians replaced it with "Christmas".
www.msu.edu...

In fact, if truth be known, the holiday of Christmas has always been more Pagan than Christian, with it's associations of Nordic divination, Celtic fertility rites, and Roman Mithraism. That is why both Martin Luther and John Calvin abhorred it, why the Puritans refused to acknowledge it, much less celebrate it (to them, no day of the year could be more holy than the Sabbath), and why it was even made ILLEGAL in Boston! The holiday was already too closely associated with the birth of older Pagan gods and heroes. And many of them (like Oedipus, Theseus, Hercules, Perseus, Jason, Dionysus, Apollo, Mithra, Horus and even Arthur) possessed a narrative of birth, death, and resurrection that was uncomfortably close to that of Jesus. And to make matters worse, many of them pre-dated the Christian Savior.

Ultimately, of course, the holiday is rooted deeply in the cycle of the year. It is the Winter Solstice that is being celebrated, seed-time of the year, the longest night and shortest day. It is the birthday of the new Sun King, the Son of God -- by whatever name you choose to call him. On this darkest of nights, the Goddess becomes the Great Mother and once again gives birth. And it makes perfect poetic sense that on the longest night of the winter, 'the dark night of our souls', there springs the new spark of hope, the Sacred Fire, the Light of the World, the Coel Coeth.

That is why Pagans have as much right to claim this holiday as Christians. Perhaps even more so, as the Christians were rather late in laying claim to it, and tried more than once to reject it. There had been a tradition in the West that Mary bore the child Jesus on the twenty-fifth day, but no one could seem to decide on the month. Finally, in 320 C.E., the Catholic Fathers in Rome decided to make it December, in an effort to co-opt the Mithraic celebration of the Romans and the Yule celebrations of the Celts and Saxons.

There was never much pretense that the date they finally chose was historically accurate. Shepherds just don't 'tend their flocks by night' in the high pastures in the dead of winter! But if one wishes to use the New Testament as historical evidence, this reference may point to sometime in the spring as the time of Jesus's birth. This is because the lambing season occurs in the spring and that is the only time when shepherds are likely to 'watch their flocks by night' -- to make sure the lambing goes well. Knowing this, the Eastern half of the Church continued to reject December 25, preferring a 'movable date' fixed by their astrologers according to the moon.

Thus, despite its shaky start (for over three centuries, no one knew when Jesus was supposed to have been born!), December 25 finally began to catch on. By 529, it was a civic holiday, and all work or public business (except that of cooks, bakers, or any that contributed to the delight of the holiday) was prohibited by the Emperor Justinian. In 563, the Council of Braga forbade fasting on Christmas Day, and four years later the Council of Tours proclaimed the twelve days from December 25 to Epiphany as a sacred, festive season. This last point is perhaps the hardest to impress upon the modern reader, who is lucky to get a single day off work. Christmas, in the Middle Ages, was not a SINGLE day, but rather a period of TWELVE days, from December 25 to January 6. The Twelve Days of Christmas, in fact. It is certainly lamentable that the modern world has abandoned this approach, along with the popular Twelfth Night celebrations.

Of course, the Christian version of the holiday spread to many countries no faster than Christianity itself, which means that 'Christmas' wasn't celebrated in Ireland until the late fifth century; in England, Switzerland, and Austria until the seventh; in Germany until the eighth; and in the Slavic lands until the ninth and tenth. Not that these countries lacked their own mid-winter celebrations of Yuletide. Long before the world had heard of Jesus, Pagans had been observing the season by bringing in the Yule log, wishing on it, and lighting it from the remains of last year's log. Riddles were posed and answered, magic and rituals were practiced, wild boars were sacrificed and consumed along with large quantities of liquor, corn dollies were carried from house to house while carolling, fertility rites were practiced (girls standing under a sprig of mistletoe were subject to a bit more than a kiss), and divinations were cast for the coming Spring. Many of these Pagan customs, in an appropriately watered-down form, have entered the mainstream of Christian celebration, though most celebrants do not realize (or do not mention it, if they do) their origins.

For modern Witches, Yule (from the Anglo-Saxon 'Yula', meaning 'wheel' of the year) is usually celebrated on the actual Winter Solstice, which may vary by a few days, though it usually occurs on or around December 21st. It is a Lesser Sabbat or Lower Holiday in the modern Pagan calendar, one of the four quarter-days of the year, but a very important one. This year (1988) it occurs on December 21st at 9:28 am CST. Pagan customs are still enthusiastically followed. Once, the Yule log had been the center of the celebration. It was lighted on the eve of the solstice (it should light on the first try) and must be kept burning for twelve hours, for good luck. It should be made of ash. Later, the Yule log was replaced by the Yule tree but, instead of burning it, burning candles were placed on it. In Christianity, Protestants might claim that Martin Luther invented the custom, and Catholics might grant St. Boniface the honor, but the custom can demonstrably be traced back through the Roman Saturnalia all the way to ancient Egypt. Needless to say, such a tree should be cut down rather than purchased, and should be disposed of by burning, the proper way to dispatch any sacred object.

Along with the evergreen, the holly and the ivy and the mistletoe were important plants of the season, all symbolizing fertility and everlasting life. Mistletoe was especially venerated by the Celtic Druids, who cut it with a golden sickle on the sixth night of the moon, and believed it to be an aphrodisiac.




reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 07:57 PM by Nightflyer28
reply to post by fooffstarr



I wouldn't say I 'celebrate' it, but the wife likes the tree, with the ornaments and lights and all that, so hey, why not? I see it as just a nice family time thing.

Though in fairness, being a Jewish atheist, we have the tree, but only open one gift per night for roughly 8-10 days or so.

And we don't drink the seder wine, but we did have a beaujolais a few nights ago that was pretty tasty.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 08:45 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by talon



I like to get my empty tubes of smarties and put them on the cats legs and pretend it's a robot. It's a great laugh watching it come down the stairs.

Tis the season.



reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 10:11 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Good Wolf



I seem to remember Jimmy Carr saying the same thing on QI. "Put smarties tubes on cats legs, make them walk like a robot".


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 02:32 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



That's right. I wondered where I had heard it. He spelt it with those magnet letters, ae.

All I know is it's hilarious. Kills a lot of time.


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 08:15 AM by SvenTheBerserK
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to
post by talon



I like to get my empty tubes of smarties and put them on the cats legs and pretend it's a robot. It's a great laugh watching it come down the stairs.

Tis the season.



That just cracked me up.....funny image in my head.

Well i guess i haxe to take back my previous comment about Christmas...i just had dinner at a mates house and few drinks and had a fantastic time....Christmas for me these days is definatly about the friendships and sharing the good times.


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 12:58 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by clay2 baraka



I totally agree with you except on one point........I thought that Dec25th was the birth date of the sun god Ra.
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