Why do many Atheists celebrate Christmas?, page 1
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reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 05:30 PM by clay2 baraka
reply to post by fooffstarr



Maybe they aren't celebrating the Christian holiday:
No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.



reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 05:35 PM by fooffstarr
reply to post by mr-lizard



I'm not a Christian so I can't be 'un-Christian'.

I was simply asking the question of each Atheist on the board.

If you celebrate Christmas, why?

clay2 baraka brought up the point that it is possible to celebrate the season without the Christian connection, and I somewhat agree. As I said, I spend time with family and don't impede on their religious aspect.

But I just find it strange that a holiday that is one of, if not the, most important on a religions calendar is also recognized and celebrated by many not of that religion.


reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 05:49 PM by fooffstarr
reply to post by Mr Mxyztplk



Pretty much my deal too

It's an excuse to eat, drink and be merry.

If I was a Christian though, I'd be pretty worried about Christmas losing it's meaning. I mean, it's close to that already. I read in my local paper this morning quotes from children about what they think of Christmas. 9/10 mentioned Santa, presents etc. Only 1 mentioned Jesus, and even then she wasn't sure if Christmas was when he was born or died.

Not that it bothers me, but I do feel sorry for the religion kind of having their holiday 'hijacked'.


reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 06:23 PM by thesaints2012
Originally posted by fooffstarr
reply to
post by Mr Mxyztplk



Pretty much my deal too

It's an excuse to eat, drink and be merry.

If I was a Christian though, I'd be pretty worried about Christmas losing it's meaning. I mean, it's close to that already. I read in my local paper this morning quotes from children about what they think of Christmas. 9/10 mentioned Santa, presents etc. Only 1 mentioned Jesus, and even then she wasn't sure if Christmas was when he was born or died.

Not that it bothers me, but I do feel sorry for the religion kind of having their holiday 'hijacked'.


it was hijacked before that from the pagans....

i dont celebrate xmas as a religious holiday, i celebrate it as a holiday where you just exchange gifts and see the family. im sure most athiests do aswell.



reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 06:38 PM by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by fooffstarr



The holiday predates them moving Jesus birthday to hijack a popular holiday to lure people in. We are not celebrating a Christian holiday. Christians have perverted the face of it. Other than that, unless someone can tell me what Santa, reindeer, jack frost, frosty, and all the other Christmas trappings has to do with Jesus then I would maybe even understand a little but at this point it aint happening that way.

PS - satanist rule -"celebrate any event that brings you joy to engage in."

It is in my beliefs to enjoy holidays. If a Jew invites me to a Hanukkah party, i am all over that too.

[edit on 21-12-2008 by angel of lightangelo]
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