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reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 05:40 PM by Freedom ERP
reply to post by xpert11


That's a very Western view, xpert11 and fails to understand the insult and the very fact that the media is attending to "hush" this up, just adds more fuel to the fire. This lack of understanding of this culture just shows how far we still have to come, and until we can understand other cultures, we are not much better than savages.


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 07:18 PM by Bnmssnit
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Was it me or did anyone else notice how Bush seemed to be a pro at dodging the shoes being thrown.Could this possibly have occured before.....I wonder if Laura Bush maybe schooled him on how to dodge shoes being thrown at him.I gotta give him credit,hes quick on his feet!Oh By the way to the Saudi businessman thats offered $10 mil for one of the shoes.I got an old pair of Reboks that I once threw at the neighbors dog,you can have both for $1mil!


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 06:33 AM by Anonymous ATS
I wanted to drop you a line to disagree a little with your points on Gitmo.

Some of it I agree with, if these people have been caught on the battlefield, then they should be locked up.

However, my agreement stops there pretty much, they are humans too like the rest of us.

They should not have to endure waterboarding, or the other things. Although there is still disagreement as to whether that constitutes 'torture', it's pretty clear that it's not a nice thing to happen to someone. They should get the same respect they would get in the USA prison system, not much, but the very basics.

The people at gitmo should get some form of trial, so far very few have been able to get the 'slightly' biased military panel type tribunal, let alone the type of trial we would demand for our own people. After all, one of the big aims of the war is 'democracy building', and part of that is having fair systems in place for all people.

Once they have been found guilty under a fair trial of being guilty of these crimes, then fine, lock them up for life, and perhaps execute the worst of them (I disagree with the death penalty myself, but I know enough people like it that it remains in law, so I have to accept that).

The problems at gitmo undermine quite seriously the efforts the USA makes at spreading democracy and being the worlds policeman. Nobody likes a hypocrite or a corrupt cop.

Your statements about people being critics of the war, that because they have not having served, their view is invalid, are also quite pointless, if we look at the people who started the war, a great number of those have never served also, should we treat their views as invalid? (I'm talking about the numerous 'chickenhawks' in the administration here.)

If we take that viewpoint out logically, you are essentially saying that nobody without detailed knowledge and deep personal experience of a subject, can ever discuss that subject. If this were truly the case, I dare say that you would not have your radio show, or at least it would be cut down by a large amount.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 04:46 PM by truthquest
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www.sockandawe.com...

"So what if a guy threw a shoe at me."
George W. Bush

[edit on 23-12-2008 by truthquest]



reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 12:47 AM by jcheney
reply to post by xpert11


Yeah, the secret service appeared to have dropped the ball. still I figure they were patting people down and if all you can chuck is a shoe than shoes off at that SOB Bush. they might have even searched inside of the shoes of some people. but to consider a shoe a weapon.

I picture Bush with that smirk on his face, saying to his wife, "see honey, its kinda like dodgeball, except Daddy didn't hire everyone in the gym to stand there and take it like when I was a kid.

I hate Bush. I'm counting down the days until we can see some "Change in America" if this new prez isn't a puppet of the corporations then let freedom ring and God Bless America.


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 09:20 AM by theodorej
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Greetings.......The shoe incident was nothing more than a lack of gratitude on behalf of a group of people that if they tried throwing a shoe at Saddam,they would dead....My interest in their culture is equal to their interest in mine....


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 03:38 PM by Freedom ERP
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And why do the Iraqi people need to be grateful? We did invade their country because of the threat of WMDs.


reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 11:06 AM by whatukno
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WMD's thats good. So did we ever find them?

Let's see, Saddam Hussein used to be our bestest buddy back in the day, well that is till Iran Contra. Kinda ticked him off that we started selling guns to his enemy Iran. But what are ya gonna do right? Gotta get those hostages out.

So our diplomatic relationship with this thug (our thug) Saddam started to slide downhill. He took out his anger on Kurds with gas attacks and then kinda pushed us over the edge when he decided to take over Kuwait. So we invaded back in the early 90's with the real intention of testing all of our new spiffy equipment.

So after that Saddam was obeying our rule over him pretty well. He blustered and bad mouthed us but he pretty much was in line. So for the next 8 or so years it was all good with the US and Iraq.

Then comes this lame (and quick) duck president and 9/11 happens. We invade Afghanistan to take out Al Qaeda and the Taliban (also to run a natural gas pipeline through the country, but thats a KBR/Halliburton project and we won't go into that here, shhh don't talk about the pipeline.) and get that SOB UBL (former CIA helper and hero to the Afghanistan people for helping to take out the Russians back in the day). Well ol Dubbya couldn't leave well enough alone and decided that Iraq needed to be taught a lesson again. He started a war with Iraq claiming that They were tied to Al Qaeda and had WMD's. He also claimed that this is the guy that tried to kill his father (but thats another story).

So what is it now 6 years latter. Saddam Hussein is dead, there were never any WMDs and we are still occupying a country that doesn't really want us there.

And we wonder why there is an insurgency? Really? I mean a foreign occupying force is in your country with no plan to leave saying they are there to set up a democracy for you. They do that but still don't leave do you honestly think that you would like a bunch of gun toting foreigners running around your streets and in your neighborhoods?

It seems to me the appropreate response to this guy would have been to huck a shoe at him. I mean it's the most polite way to tell someone off. He wasn't trying to kill bush with a shoe, just stating his disgust with the man.

[edit on 12/26/2008 by whatukno]


reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 03:34 AM by darkangel831
reply to post by Freedom ERP


WMD's???

Doesn't anyone listen to the speaches anymore?

That was only one small part of the reason we went in and liberated the Iraqi people.

Let us not forget either, that we remain there at the DIRECT REQUEST of the Democratically Elected Government of Iraq. I believe that they just recently voted unanimously to ask us to stay for several more years.

I think that throwing a shoe is pretty mild compared to what some of the radical Bush Haters would do if allowed to run free over here.

War time Presidents are always unpopular. Lincoln was hated until well after he died.

Wait until Obama ruins the country, see what everyone is saying then.


reply posted on 28-12-2008 @ 09:20 AM by theodorej
reply to post by Freedom ERP


The WMDs were there and the world knew it for a couple of reasons for one Saddam used them and murdered 300 thousand and for another reason We Sold Them To The Saddam regime....You keep drinking the Kool Aid and believing the last news paper you read or talking head you listened to....April 1 2004 Interview with King Hussian of Jordan and San Francisco Chronical....20,000 tons of Chemical weapons seized in Jordan that came from Iraq....We liberated these ungratefull people from a murderous tyrant....And rest assured that if any one threw a shoe at Saddam they would be dead....


reply posted on 28-12-2008 @ 04:13 PM by darkangel831
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I guess that we each take away from speeches different things.

I recall the emphasis being on the violation of the UN sanctions and the FACT that Saddam fired on us repeatedly in the "No Fire Zone" as well as his treatment of his people and the undeniable fact of his attempts at genocide.

But the world was stuck on WMD's and we do love a "power word"
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