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reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:19 AM by BIGDAVE54


Well...I feel strongly about this. I know KEVLAR was first used in automotive tires. It was designed to make a nice sidewll in tires that was impervious to blowouts. I;m thinking ...cut down some tires and see if they stop handgun ammo.
I saw a site a few months back where a guy used a kind of felt material and put it into a homemeade liner.The felt looked pretty dense and would pack up under the projectile.
My friend is a finish carpenter that builds furniture. I have worked in Security and Law Enforcement much of my life. We were discussing taking a Wal Mart coffee table and mounting a piece of steel under it with a heavy steel handle. The thoughts are if we kived in a project or area where drive by shootingss occur, We could sit the table up and get behind it.Cops could use it as a sheild and carry it to the front door and return fire.

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reply posted on 4-6-2009 @ 03:29 AM by BIGDAVE54


okaayyyy. Tried to edit the typos in the olast post and it would not let me repost. I am an old fart that makes a few mistakes at 4am some mornings. I need an edit function that works ...



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reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 12:53 AM by DrMattMaddix


Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

I currently have a vest in development that (and is proved in testing) will stop any round of any kind from any range excluding 50 cal, Armour Piercing or DU kinetic penetrators, and will even stand up to multiple hits in the same area with no loss of protection....... and is LIGHT!



Well, Ummm... If one was wearing that AND got hit with a 50cal or DU wouldn't it pretty much liquefy every bone in the immediate area of impact?

Any subsequent hits would essentially be pushing the gelatinous mass inside the armor down the road?

Quality of life after even one hit from that ammo would be extremely impaired.



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reply posted on 5-6-2009 @ 05:18 PM by StellarX


I am not sure how much of his 'knowledge' ( if half is true) Troy Hurtubise would share would you but this wiki summary should give you idea of what he is about and what crazy things, beside wrestling with bears, he does in all the spare time he seems to have.

Again i really have not researched his claims but the few bear wrestingly videos i have seen on Ripley's ( and few other shows) sure got my attention.


1313 Paste

One of Hurtubise's latest projects has been the creation of a new paste that he's called 1313 and believes could be put to good military use. It is a mixture of all his previous concoctions applied to a kevlar fiber pad and then subjected to high pressure for the period of a day in a press. The result is a board or tile-like panel. The panel is placed in layers with other materials such as tiles. The resulting composite material can withstand a direct assault by shotgun slugs, rifle fire, and enough high explosive to demolish a car, yet is quite inexpensive to manufacture.

At an enthusiastic demonstration taped by Daily Planet, Troy displayed its capability to a Canadian military observer. In one of Troy's demonstrations, the composite material was placed in cushions meant to be placed over the outside of a Humvee. In the tests, the material successfully blocked explosive charges greater than those of a rocket propelled grenade, although they were not shaped charges, and was able to block shot after shot on exactly the same point of impact by a sniper rifle (which is a feat no material in use by the U.S. nor any other military has matched in public demonstrations).

It is Troy's desire to see military vehicles, currently in service in Afghanistan, equipped with such protection in order to stand up to a landmine explosion, which has already claimed the lives of Canadian soldiers serving there. That, along with his younger brother serving in the Canadian military, inspired the creation of 1313.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...


Have fun and i hope you have more luck than he did in finding people who will take shots at your new armor designs.

Stellar



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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 04:42 AM by Halzman


Very interesting topic... wanted to share my thoughts

I also have been wondering whether or not homemade ballistic protection is feasible. Initially I want to create a plate which can be used in commercially available plate carrier vests, but ideally I would want a full body suit.

After all my research I basically came to two conclusions - the plate would have to be multi-layed with different materials, and should be configured in a scale-armor design. I want to achieve Level III protection, which commercially means either 1/2" ceramic plate or 1/4" ballistic steel, or in other words, high cost or weight. The other option (although only available to MIL,LE) is dragon skin, which has smaller round plates comprised of a titanium plate and a ceramic disk, arranged in a scale design, wrapped in kevlar layers. The materials I figure would work the best together (and are reasonably cheap and easily obtainable) are steel, polycarbonate, ceramic, ballistic gel, plastic, and titanium wire.

** NOTE ** I personally have not tested any of this ** NOTE **

Based on several conclusions I came to, in regard to how the materials reacted to gun shots, I came up with the following configuration

Outer Shell - Plastic shell that contains all the layers. Something I wanted to test was a titanium tri-weave incorporated into the plastic, or any other type of fabric/wire weave.

Outer Layer - Polycarbonate, on top of a layer of ballistic gel, or any other type of gel that can create an 'air cushion' effect. I also wanted to test the fabric/wire weave incorporated into the gel, rather then the outer shell

Mid Layer - Either ceramic (Mythbuster's experiment with bathroom ceramic tiles intrigued me) tiles or another polycarbote layer, sandwiched with glass.

Inner Layer - Steel, thickness yet to be determined. This is the protective layer. Underneath the steel layer will be the padded layer (some sort of high density foam), to reduce blunt trauma.

All the layers will be held together, and be made into 1" - 2" disks. Disks will then be layered into scale armor sections, one for each major muscle group. All those different sections will be encased into a hard plastic shell for each body group.

The major technical problem is the overall thickness of a plate - I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if an armor like this would be 2" - 3" thick in the end. I'd like it to be somewhere between 1" - 1 1/2" thick, that's a little more reasonable and should still allow for great mobility. Another thing that would need to be balanced out is the weight, cost, and protection.

Weight - a vest, I'd want around 20 lbs, but thats asking for a lot lol. A full body suit, 40-60 lbs. Although, I had an idea for incorporating a frame system, which technically, should take some load of the wearer - but that idea is a long way off.

Cost - Not really a main issue... i'd rather spend smaller amount of money for material over a long time period, then a huge amount of money in one day.

Protection - I have no doubt that the various materials will stop bullets, it all comes down to how thick each layer needs to be. There are 6 rounds I want to test - 9mm, .45 cal, 223, 7.62, 30-06, .50 cal (hang guns, rifles, snipers). Hand guns shouldn't be a problem, rifles I have my doubts, sniper round, just wanna see what happens - who knows, may be pleasantly surprised

In the end, I'm looking to create something that is a cross between the batman begins and dark knight suit, with Level III protection. But first, I wanna work on a simple alternative to armor plates for molle vests lol



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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 05:02 AM by Now_Then


There is a show called Brainiac - it's childish but hey... They did a section on making body armour on the spot and both the home and the office, quite funny.

Any way packs of A4 copier stopped everything up to a cross bow bolt at close range - So there is a budget option I suppose, also a heavy wok and a flat panel computer monitor were quite effective...



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