reply to post by seek4 truth

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If you cant mention it, then i doubt it exists. one thing i have found on ATS after the years.. when someone has evidence by way of research... they are quick to provide their sources.

You.. have provided nothing...

So, if you have done all this earth shattering research, then by all means enlighten us.. we expect no less then 3 credible sources.

There is no proof that the Illuminati infiltrated the Masons.


The truth shall set you free.


That doesn't even make any sense. ^ Another ignorant soul.


Where is your proof of this or are you just going to slander without evidence?


Can you name some of these high level public officials that are also in the upper ranks? I would like names, titles, and jurisdictions.

This is why I get annoyed with conspiracy theorists. They think they have attained some sacred knowledge that no one else, but them or a select few have. And that no one else is smarter than them because they must be right. They will even claim that members of an organization are ignorant to the facts, but they, they, a non-member do know the facts. It's arrogance at its highest level.

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reply to post by KSigMason

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This will open a can of worms... but one of my mason connections has stated that the illuminati tried, and failed, to infiltrate them... take that for what you will. i present it as heresay and am unable to present any significant evidence to support it.

Your connection is right. They tried and failed.

reply to post by Seren Dda

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Perhaps it's because there is a very good reason.

You should watch Michael Tsarion - The Origins Of Evil Part 1
If you can't be bothered to watch the whole, you should atleast start at approximately 15 min into it.

Basilly, the freemason have been taken over by the illuminati. (about 22 min into movie) Continue watching for more info...

The sooner these so called Secret Societies are disbanded - the better. If all Masons wore some form of identification to identify themselves as Lodge Members - very few people would entertain them either in business or on a personal level. They would very soon come to realise the reason for such secrecy.

In effect, all Freemasonry does is to provide its members with the opportunity to be bigoted and elitist - without fear of recrimination.

reply to post by SCARLET HEAVEN

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Let's say something like a Mason Ring, a Mason decal on cars, a Dues Card, a Jacket, mugs, ect. Doesn't count.
What would you want, something like a yellow star, and obligate every Mason to wear them?



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Alot of freemasons do openly wear some form of Identification.. A ring, or pin, a sticker or even license plate on thier vehicle proclaiming them a mason. etc..
More often than not I have seen them treated with respect rather than being shunned..
Just a personal observation..

reply to post by SCARLET HEAVEN

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Did you really just tell us that masons should have to openly wear identification and then call them bigots? I do not believe you can be ignorant enough not to see the irony of that.

Would a patch on the shoulder perhaps meet your qualifications? Have you been taking your ideas from Hitler?

reply to post by RuneSpider

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I can do one better. I have a Masonic flag that I fly on my porch along with Old Glory and the New Jersey state flag.

There is some almighty tosh about Free masonry here but thank God for Scientology or ther'd be a whole lot more fantastic and well-knotted fits of nonsense stretched upon this skein.

Not really. I think it owes far more to social dynamics than any big conspiracy. If variations of a theory are pushed hard enough - as they are on this website - then eventually there will be a 'backlash', even a relatively small one. People will feel the need to redress a balance.

Ignore the fact that this is about Masons specifically and substitute 'Freemason' for 'Christian', 'evolutionist', 'Democrat', 'Republican', 'Niburu believer', 'Niburu non-believer' and so on, and you can see similar patterns of responses as to the threads and posts that are trying to portray Freemasonry in a positive light.

Personally, I glad that these positive portrayals exist as some of the negative threads are amongst the most desperate and tenacious threads on the whole site.

I heard about a society that did something fairly similar once. I'm sure you've heard about it too.

It's funny but so much of this site deals with concepts such as 'freedom' and 'liberty'; generally railing against intrusive Orwellian governments and here you are suggesting that people wear badges that mark them out from the rest of us?

Even if they did wear some kind of identification, then what? It wouldn't stop me personally from dealing with them on a personal or business level. Why should it? For one, a persons skin colour, religion or political allegiance doesn't stop me from engaging with people, so I'm sure why Masonic membership would.

Secondly, even if the some of the claims made here and elsewhere about Masons were true, I very much doubt - and has been admitted by many detractors - that day-to-day Masons aren't actually part of some grand conspiracy. It's always a case of a perceived 'higher ranking' clique of Masons that truly know the score and that the Masons on message boards like this, and that you're likely to come across in your own life, are as removed from their orchestrations as the rest of us.

So, if that's the case, why shun a majority for the alleged/imagined actions of a minority? Do you do this with black people because you've seen news reports about black muggers or thieves? Perhaps with Muslims because a tiny fraction of them are terrorists? Or assuming that you're heterosexual, perhaps with members of the opposite sex because you got dumped once?

Here's the thing - there really shouldn't be any threads in this forum (Secret Societies) "supportive" of Freemasonry. The first sentence in the Notice at the top of every thread page in this forum says-



Therefore, any thread started regarding the positive aspects of any secret society, fraternity, organization, should be moved somewhere else. This forum is designed for conspiracies. Naturally, members of Freemasonry or any other organization are welcome to post their on-topic T&C compliant thoughts.

I know we don't always catch them all, but the threads about "how do I join the ??? club" or "my club, the Royal Order of Spotted Hyenas, is really cool because..." do not belong in this particular forum.

If one peruses the Secret Societies forum and gets the impression that there's a negative perception of secret societies, that would be an accurate observation given the nature of the forum. On the other hand, any member of any organization is free to post their perspective as well, as long as they're following the site rules.