I can't believe the total rubbish about Free Masonary on this site!!

My father has been a Free Mason, as far back as I can remember. He has been a Worshipful Master and a member of the Grand Provincial Lodge. He is a relatively sucessful businessman (off his own back). A few other member of my family have been and are also members and of course I know many of his friends through Free Masonary.

I find most of the opinions on here quite funny. I haven't come across any devil worshippers, mad men or any with world domination plans! Freemasons do not discuss religion or politics. because, as in any friendship, these differing opinions can cause conflict.

I myself have chosen not to follow in my fathers footstep and am a member of a motorcycle club, but can say that the 'Brotherhood' and Camaraderie is pretty much the same.

Get some facts right! Free Masonary is not a religion, They don't intend to rule the world, they donate millions to worthwhile causes every year and of course Christians, Jews and Muslims can stand side by side and worship in peace, respecting each others right to their own belief. Now if everyone else could do this, I think the world would be a better place.

If on the other hand they did do all the stuff as stated on here, why the hell am I and my family working our 9 - 5 jobs, living in average homes and paying our taxes???

Thanks you for your post brother! You seem to get the big picture. Im sure your father is very proud of you. Keep doing your thang.

Beside the fact that the majority of our world elite, are in fact, Masons.

But, if the Masonic Lodges had not been tainted by the Rothschild's "Illuminati" then the Masons wouldn't be that bad.



[edit on 12/20/2008 by dalan.]

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no, they aren't. And no, they havn't.
As for the OP, this thread will probably be moved to Rants. Just so you know.
As for why people keep posting this stuff, it's better to blame something, than nothing, and have to take responsibility for the problems you see.

These "free masons are good people" threads keep coming up more than the anti-freemason threads? Funny ain't it?

There are currently 20 threads on Masonry at the moment on the front page of the Secret Societies forum. Of those, maybe 4 were started presenting Masonry in a positive light.
Having gone through several of the pages in this forum, the threads on Masonry have been pretty much started by Anti-Masons, or by people who have no real idea about Masonry.

Food for thought...To the initiates of the 33degree...Draw a circle...mark out 33degrees of the circle in red .That is you... now blacken the other 327degrees...That is the "dark part" you need to learn about to come "FULL CIRCLE" to realize the true meaning of your "benevolent fraternity" HAPPY TRAILS..... DIRT

Oh please, the upper ranks of the Masons are I suppose just by coincidence, high ranking figures in world politics and buisness, come on, put 2 and 2 together, theres clearly more to freemasonry than the "public version" shall we say.
Oh and funny how some of these all singing, all dancing, freemasons are also members of satan worshipping secret societies, and mass murderers......hmm, seeing how it just doesint fit?

Consider it an opportunity to educate those who simply don't know or understand.

I'm not a Mason. I applied when I was 21 but they turned me down. Well, actually they didn't turn me down, they asked me to reapply in six months. Six months later I was married with a child on the way and the Masons were the last thing on my mind.

I have many friends and family members who are Masons and each and every one of them are the kind of people who make this world a better place.

The Masons are not a secret society, they are a society with secrets.

That's kewl.

ATS is an opportunity to shed some light into the corners of the minds that see darkness where none dwells.

What you do with that opportunity is up to you.

Listen, no-one is "seeing darkness where there is none", no doubt that the masons are good people, and Im not saying Im right in my opinion, but like I said earlier, there is more reason than just "seeing darkness where there is none" to why people question the motives of the upper ranks.
A lot more reason.

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Which is? Enough dramatic posing.

As for all the high ranking members of Masonry who are also in places of Political power? Josh Norton has a thread where he would be delighted to see any you would name.

Care to link me?

Masons are like christians, they dont know why they belong or how it all started. They just know if a few pesents at the bottom hand out a few poor people a dollar every once in a while they must all be great. Give me a break, both of these organizations were started by the same people and if any members at the bottom are either to stupid or to lazy to sort through the old museum relics to find out what they are involved in, they truly should be treated as war criminals. You know what they say, when it comes to the law, ignorance is no excuse.

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Sure, sorry about that. Should have added that when I originally posted.
Masonic Power Myth

Um.. christianity was started by the sun worshipping pagan emporer of rome, freemasonry was started something like 1500 years later by brits and scots... are you suggesting that constantine was immortal and moved to britian where he secretly started an organization which was immediately branded an enemy of the church... the church he started, upon it's inception?

Cause if you are... i suggest you copyright that story and sell it to hollywood

Listen..I understand the allure of believing there is some evil dark brotherhood that is out to rule the world. It makes life exciting. But before you believe in stuff like this...would you please do some research? The "degrees" in freemasonry mark points of learning, much like a university degree (although university degrees take far more work, the basic principle is the same). While the whole "OMG there are 360 degrees!!!!1111" is entertaining its based off a complete misunderstanding of the word degree.

I know you think it sounds good because Freemasonry is about geometry and it fits well, but its really not what it represents.

I think I'm going to copy and paste this somewhere because I find myself saying this often, but once more:
There is no degree higher in freemasonry than the 3rd degree, or master mason. That is in fact the entire point of the fraternity - that all its members meet on the same level. Degrees that are numerically higher than the 3rd are optional degrees from various side orders that do not confer power, rank, or authority. A 33rd degree Scottish Rite mason has the same amount of power and rank as a 3rd degree master mason.

The obsession with the Scottish Rite degrees I suspect is mainly because it has higher numbers, and that makes people think those numbers must mean higher power or authority. It is not.

All of the following people are of the same power/rank/authority within freemasonry:
Master Mason (highest degree of the blue lodge)
Inspector General Honorary (honorary degree of the Scottish Rite)
Knight Templar (highest degree of the York Rite)

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though i usually dont get into the high/low degree debate, just this once i am gonna have to step up and back LLM.

a 3rd degree mason can be elected to the absolute highest masonic office in a state, which is the head of a grand lodge.

The head man for a grandlodge has a rediculous amount of authority over the practice of masonry through out his state. Including the ability to bring formal grievance against another grand lodge and even the right to offically cut ties with another state.

If the 3rd degree are all chumps compared to the 33rd... or the fabled 360th* why would he be allowed to preside over an entire state and have to ability to all but declare war on another GL?

I suggest you start doing some research for yourself. All of you people who believe whatever the MSM tells you are all in the same boat. You have a lot of research to do far to much to mention to convince you if at all possible. You will have to learn for yourself and the further you go behind the curtain, the more you are going to say what the hell. I cant do it for you, you have to do it for yourself, you have to break away from what has been told to you and use your head to put these things they have not together. This will take you a long time, time they dont intend most of us to ever have. what is going to piss you off the most is when you go to make a movie of it and the studios wont touch it. You will think to yourself this is the most thorough and complete work I have ever seen anybody do, why will they not touch it, and that is when it will hit you full force, that is when you will realize that this has been going on for so long that you will never live long enough to realize what all they have done to you and your family.


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This my friend is the reason why I usually don't frequent the secret societies forum. I agree that if all of mankind would adopt the tenets of freemasonry the world would be a better place. I have never understood why people demonize an organization that cares about their fellow man and respects everyone of all beliefs. The masons are the only people who seem to understand as a group that all people are in this together and we need to work with one another to make the world a better place. Just my .02

I think LowlevelMason's posts here have shown he's pretty knowledgeable about Masonry, much more so than I am at least.



Since you have never met LowLevelMason or his family, I don't see how you would know what affec Masonry has had on his family.
It personally offends me whenever I see someone say something like this.
When you make statements like that, you better bring something to the table.


[edit on 21-12-2008 by RuneSpider]