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Why do Masons call themselves "Worshipful Master"?


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reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 12:50 AM by lazy1981


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I have heard that B'nai B'rith (an all Jewish lodge) was Masonic in nature. Is this so? Is it even Masonic? Or just prapagnda? I have always read that Masonry was all inclusive and bars no one.



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reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 02:50 AM by RuneSpider


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In the mid-1800's, a group of Jewish-German immigrants sought to find fraternity and fellowship with others of similar background. Although many of these men felt comfortable joining groups such as the Masons and Odd Fellows, others wanted a more ethnic-religious centered group and thus in 1844, the Jewish fraternal order of B'nai B'rith was formed, seeking to reconcile Judaism with American society through voluntary association.


www.masonicinfo.com...


Originally posted by DoctorDoom
Wow. I' amazed at the amount of Masons posting on this website

It's like I've been approached by a gang of worshippers.




Ten Masons have replied to you in a thread that you directed towards them specifically. Out of the thousand or so odd members of ATS.

The way you complain about it, it's almost like you're a troll or something.



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reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 04:22 PM by lazy1981


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Thanks for the info. I was just wondering, someone said that there are no exclusive lodges and who better to here the truth then from the horses mouth. The internet will give you just about any hit, pro or con.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:42 PM by civilized mammal


Originally posted by doctordoom
The term "worshipful master" has a Jonestown ring to it to me.

Let's take a look at the word "worshipful".


The American Heritage Dictionary defines worship as "the reverent love and allegiance accorded a deity, idol, or sacred object." The Greek words for worship combine the ideas of "falling down before," "paying homage to," and "serving." From these definitions it is obvious that worship involves recognition of worth in God, and the offering of our honor, praise, and adoration to the One who is altogether worthy.

www.newtestamentchurch.org...

The word worship is reserved for a deity, idol or sacred object.
What makes a Mason a deity?
It's rather quite silly if you ask me.

So, I guess my question is, do you actually worship the "Worshipful Master" if you are a lower Mason?

Also, is there a higher level than the "Worshipful Master"?

Check out a Google search of the term "worshipful"

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Usually people with overly needy egos will require some measure of self-glorification. Often this becomes apparent in the assumption of titles. Sure it's old English yet the meaning is constant and clear to those assuming the title. They derive pleasure and satisfaction, maybe even a sense of accomplishment from it. Essentially, if you couldn't earn an academic title you can still call yourself "worshipful master." Whether this is contravening and insulting to God's law is of course of no great importance for some.
We've seen the parade of self styled Generallissimo's, Emperors of the Sun, Fuhrer, 'Father' Stalin, Protectors of the Realm, God's Vicar on Earth, Prophets and so forth. His Earthly Worship the Prince of Wales is pretty hilarious too!



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:55 PM by KYCH/32KCCH


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civilized mammal: "hilarious too! "... What I find is hilarious is that people worry about the "title" a group uses and ignoring the reason they use it.
Even more hilarious is the assumption that anyone who chose to be Master of a Lodge " couldn't earn an academic title" ....
This really is a pathetic topic



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:46 PM by LowLevelMason


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You seriously don't think any actual WM calls himself worshipful do you? Please. I've never seen in all my years.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 02:19 AM by KSigMason


Originally posted by civilized mammal
Usually people with overly needy egos will require some measure of self-glorification. Often this becomes apparent in the assumption of titles.

We didn't choose the name of the title. We assumed a leadership position. I could care less what the name was.

Originally posted by civilized mammal
Essentially, if you couldn't earn an academic title you can still call yourself "worshipful master."

As a Master, I just don't go around spouting I'm the Worshipful Master. Usually I introduce myself as Master of a Lodge. The title is used only within the Lodge.

There are a lot of different titles than Worshipful Master.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 03:45 AM by RuneSpider


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They derive pleasure and satisfaction, maybe even a sense of accomplishment from it. Essentially, if you couldn't earn an academic title you can still call yourself "worshipful master."


Interesting. I usually have the same opinion who claim to understand something they don't spend a day research, or fringe scientists pushing a new cure for cancer.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 05:36 AM by Saurus


There are very few people on the planet who don't go by a title.

Males are generally called "Mister" (as in Mr. Jones). "Mister" is a title which simply provides useful information to an interested person (the person's sex, in this case.)

The titles "Worshipful Master," "Worshipful Brother," etc. provide information useful to a mason, since they immediately know the person's experience in masonry.

The actual title is simply semantics.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 12:29 PM by JoshNorton


Originally posted by civilized mammal
Essentially, if you couldn't earn an academic title you can still call yourself "worshipful master."
The Senior Warden of my lodge, who will be Worshipful Master next year, holds a PhD in Physics. And after his one year term is up, he won't be an officer of the lodge any more. So you go from being top dog to being just another brother after your year in office has been served. Doesn't really seem like something glory-seekers would strive for. The number of past-masters will always eclipse the guy currently in the seat, and the rest of the brethren who voted him there shouldn't be ignored either.

But I suppose the original poster didn't have access to the Oxford English Dictionary...
worshipful, a. (n., adv.)
  1. Of things: Notable or outstanding in respect of some (good) quality or property; distinguished, imposing; reputable, honourable. Now arch.
  2. Of persons: Distinguished in respect of character or rank; entitled to honour or respect on this account. Now arch.
  3. a. As an honorific title for persons or bodies of distinguished rank or importance: formerly used very widely, but now restricted to the livery companies and freemasons' lodges and their masters. right worshipful is applied to mayors.
    b. Used in forms of address, as worshipful sir, (right) worshipful master, etc.
    c. absol. (chiefly pl.) or as n. In later use spec. a magistrate.
  4. Showing or bringing honour or distinction to a person; reputable or honourable for one. Obs.
  5. Showing or bringing honour or distinction to a person; reputable or honourable for one. Obs.
  6. Deserving or capable of being worshipped; worshipable.
So he skipped over all the other meanings and instantly latched onto the last.


[edit on 1/8/2009 by JoshNorton]



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 12:35 PM by BlueRaja


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It's already been explained how the context and origin of the usage was derived. If you want to assign any additional connotations, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't make your assertion any more valid.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:24 PM by doctordoom


Originally posted by BlueRaja
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It's already been explained how the context and origin of the usage was derived. If you want to assign any additional connotations, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't make your assertion any more valid.


Well, there has been 15 posts since I posted last, all supporting the Masons.

Go figure.

Must have hit a sore spot



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:29 PM by LowLevelMason


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Or, could it be that the truth is so overwhelmingly obvious but you don't want to accept it, so you look for other ways to explain it?




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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:56 PM by ForkandSpoon


Originally posted by intrepid
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So you're saying that CO's and lawyers that use the term "Your Worship" are "tentacles of the Anti-Christian beast?"




That's really a redundent statement.....the "worship" has nothing to do with it man! LOL

Oh if the Anti Masons only knew just how little respect most "Worshipful Masters" have to put up with.....



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:54 PM by doctordoom


Originally posted by LowLevelMason
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Or, could it be that the truth is so overwhelmingly obvious but you don't want to accept it, so you look for other ways to explain it?




Then, we would have no conspiracy, now would we,
and this site would be moot.



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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 11:38 PM by KSigMason


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We're just setting the record straight and informing the other members.



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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 04:57 AM by RuneSpider


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Not really, there are many conspiracies, this site does not support itself by Masonry conspiracies alone.

However, there is a difference between conspiracies or critical thinking, and blatantly ignoring information and making insulting statements both to members of this site and people you've never met in any shape or form.



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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:29 AM by ForkandSpoon


Originally posted by RuneSpider
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Not really, there are many conspiracies, this site does not support itself by Masonry conspiracies alone.


Why come no one seems to pick on the Odd Fellows?

I mean........their Odd.

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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 09:47 AM by BlueRaja


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I'm not a Mason myself, but I do understand how terminology has to be taken into the original context and intent.



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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 01:20 PM by LowLevelMason


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No, then we would acknowledge that everything ISN'T a conspiracy. The title "worshipful master" has nothing to do with worship, and is a title masters themselves never use to describe themselves. Facts. Not a conspiracy.



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