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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:34 AM by Hanslune
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A "limited" nanite storm would leave the physical traces of modifications to the ground, foundations, tunnels, pipe, etc. It would also leave
natural products (based on what I understand your example to be) of cut granite, limestones, gem stones, brick etc.
Even in our world if you had nanite eat all man made products we'd still leave a massive trace in the modifications we've made to the earth and the
use of natural products.......I'm not sure but was is the waste material of a naninte and where do the Nanites themselves go?
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 12:29 PM by pjslug
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Read the Ringing Cedars series. www.ringingcedars.com. It is the most profound true work I've ever read. I'm on the 5th of the 9th book. I hate
to present this spoiler, but:
In book 5, a young 5-year old girl of the future in Anastasia's vision re-discovers the energy used by Atlanteans (unbeknownst to her) that destroyed
themselves. The girl is capable of using her mind to control bacteria and microbes anywhere in the world. She controls bacteria to destroy bombs by
A) connecting circuitry, and B) eating other bombs until there is nothing left of them. She can control them, it is said, because all microbes form a
chain where they can talk to eachother faster than electrons can move through wires or circuits.
So this is along your lines of thinking, with nanites, but they didn't control nanites, they controlled actual organic lifeforms. And this would
explain why there is no trace remaining of their civilization.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 01:19 PM by Hanslune
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Well that is fanciful. When one evokes magic as the solution all things are possible.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 02:28 PM by coredrill
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it is just an assumption that an ancient civilization did exist which had nano technology and killed itself or removed traces of itself.
nothing exists. just speculation
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:23 PM by Hanslune
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Lots of speculation. However it does point out that humans do have limitless imagination.
Which is a good thing.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:43 PM by fixer1967
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I did not read all of the posts some some may have already posted this. I seen a show on the History Channel called Life After People.
www.history.com...
It stated that if we all dropped dead that even though there is 6 billion of us and all the stuff we have made that after as little as 10,000 years
there would be little if any trace we every existed in the first place.
So yes there ia a whole lot that we do not know about and never will. So who is to say what did or did not exist at some time.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:52 PM by Hanslune
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Yes I've seen program several times. It doesn't state that all trace will be lost its says from ground view most will be lost and over grown - but
it will still all be there in the ground. If it were true we'd find nothing from early humans who lived tens of thousands of years before 12,000 BP
- yet we do, lots of stuff.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:53 PM by Hanslune
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:12 PM by fixer1967
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Originally posted by Hanslune
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Yes I've seen program several times. It doesn't state that all trace will be lost its says from ground view most will be lost and over grown - but
it will still all be there in the ground. If it were true we'd find nothing from early humans who lived tens of thousands of years before 12,000 BP
- yet we do, lots of stuff.
Yes, but you have to dig for it to find it and digging in the right place it the key. For us to find a something we have to just get lucky most of the
time. Now granted someone digging for us 10,000 from now would have a lot more places to dig and a better chance of finding something but just think
of how much they would miss unless they dug up the whole planet. And just think of what we could find today if we could dig up the whole planet. Who
know what lays just inches under our feet?. So my answer to the original question is still YES. We could have missed anything even a whole
civilization.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:20 PM by Hanslune
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Surface finds, most of the civilizations we've found, Minoan, Sumer, Harrapa were found because we found surface materials which lead to mounds which
led to cities.
If a civilization like our folded up - our descendents would be aware of it from birth. This civilization has left a mark that would take subduction
to remove.
Will we find more small regional civilizations? Most likely village sized organizations like Catalhuyk or networks of habitation like what might be in
the highlands of the Amazon.
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:33 PM by Anonymous ATS
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With a superior race of beings, the question is not would they have escaped our notice but rather how did we luck out and notice them in the first
place? They've been here forever. Too much smoke, too much fire, too many former govt employees killed after their their coming out speeches about
ETs and UFOs. Like Phil Schneider, just to mention one.
Lots of govt posting chillin' to keep us distracted on these websites. They must be hunting down UFO refs and typing distracting or attempted
"debunking" comments night and day to keep up with the onslsught of people speaking out. They must be sucking up a good chunk of the Black Budget
in salaries by now..lol
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reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 01:03 AM by pjslug
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Not to mention, all the crap we have up in space! If a global catastrophe completely buried all surface life, we would still have over a thousand
satellites in orbit + the ISS. Future civilzations would detect these, as well as thousands of tons of junk and debris.
We have countless digital compendiums (on CD, DVD, hard drives, etc.) of our civilization that there would be enough traces left for a future
civilization to know just how unenlightened and ignorant 99.999% of humanity was; obsessed with material wealth, religion, power, etc.
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reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 01:10 AM by Hanslune
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At this point no one is sure how long the data on a CD will last.
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reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 05:11 AM by coredrill
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I have read a Sci-Fi ebook called "The Unearthing" by Steve Karmazenuk
In this ebook, to which links are available at the the author's blog, there is a particular premise
which
“Ladies and gentlemen, meet the Hthaask,” Kodo said. “They evolved
from omnivorous scavengers. When the Ship arrived, the Hthaask had an
advanced civilization that used metallurgy, vegetable and alcohol-based
fuels and geothermal power. The Hthaask hadn’t yet developed space flight
but they had already built large cities and had advanced computronics. They
were even sending radio messages into space the same way SETI has.”
“But…why is there no evidence of this?” Bloom asked. “Where are the
ruins of their cities? Where are their machines?”
“According to the Ship, most of the Hthaask culture was based on
biomechanical and biodegradable technology, including their cities,” Kodo
said. “Their civilization wasn’t based around fossil fuels, the way ours is. In
fact there were no fossil fuels back then. That we can’t find evidence of their metalworks and other undegradable products could owe much to simple
geologic reformation. If they had nuclear fuel we’d never know it today as it would have long ago degraded into baser elements. We’ve dug up much
of the earth in archaeology and in mining and construction…we may have stumbled across their technological remains and never known. Over the last
sixty-eight million years the cataclysm and natural geological events have eroded away much of what the Hthaask had left behind as monuments.”
what if , an ancient civilization /species did build up a culture based on biodegradeable materials.
what traces would there be?
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reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 05:54 AM by orkson
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Hi OP.
Remember the Papoo building wooden-made idols looking like the american planes they were looking at ? They were reflects of a reality.
Anywhere we detect a REFLECT of a higher technology, we are allowed to say that there WAS a real technology behind this FAKE technology.
The helicopters seen in Egyptian hieroglyphs were reflects of REAL ones.
The rocket-like totems we can see in Babylonian temples were reflects of REAL rockets.
etc ...
As long as NO known human civilization could have reasonabily built such artifacts, we are lead to say : "YES, at least ONE advanced civilization has
escaped our notice".
MAYBE because this civilization was not earth-based.
- Suppose a Lunar base : it would be stupid to search on Earth, remains of this base.
- Suppose a "mother-ship" - same thing.
We could say that any VERY advanced civilization would have had very good reasons NOT to land ...
And the "fallen angels" were maybe as naked as any of us ...
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reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 02:24 PM by apacheman
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Originally posted by pjslug
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Not to mention, all the crap we have up in space! If a global catastrophe completely buried all surface life, we would still have over a thousand
satellites in orbit + the ISS. Future civilzations would detect these, as well as thousands of tons of junk and debris.
We have countless digital compendiums (on CD, DVD, hard drives, etc.) of our civilization that there would be enough traces left for a future
civilization to know just how unenlightened and ignorant 99.999% of humanity was; obsessed with material wealth, religion, power, etc.
With enough time, all the satellites' orbits would eventually degrade and they would fall into the atmosphere. What little might be left would most
likely be demolished on impact and rendered virtually unrecognizable.
As for the CDs, etc., I know a guy with stacks of 8-inch floppies he can't find a drive to put them in, and if by chance he could find a functioning
drive, he'd have to find the right cable, and then the correct software (drivers, text readers, database, etc) to read them. So digital info is
actually less stable and reliable than you might think.
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reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:27 PM by Hanslune
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Oh yeah that is a problem. I have some disks that have materials on them typed in the Claris software on a Apple II GS or better yet a whole punch
tape of my first program.
Readability is aways a problem, even in languages, if you don't leave enough information behind no one can understand it, Linear A and the Harappan
languages.
The items we left circling the sun, on Mars and especially the Moon will be there for millions of years, not to mention the stuff on a one way trip
out of the solar system....
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