Could an advanced civilization have escaped our notice?

reply to post by Parta

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Hans: Actually I do, you my friend suffer from an inability to put together an understandable document that explains what you are proposing.



Hans: Yes which is why I don’t agree with you



Hans: You mean like your fantasy based image of Atlantis being in the Balkans?

Start your own thread Parta


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reply to post by Hanslune

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thats too bad hans. what you type is pretty easy to understand except... are you angry because the world is round? or because its not flat?

you brought up atlantis. i believed i was responding to how and why people hide things in general. it was pretty obvious you hadn't thought that one out too much but who would blame you for that. you pressed for more details. the details are there in a form that makes me happy [time spent].

have you not figured out who my man is? i know i know you never tried because it doesn't matter because its all just fantasy. oh well. i find that people with flags on poles in their offices like to fantasize with me... there is someone for evryone i guess.

re my own atlantis thread... i started one on an atlantis website way back in 2006? i think that is enough really don't you? the universe is unfolding exactly as it should. there was a big website/archive put up for the romanians for a while. noone is being lazy.

Goodbye Constantine

If you ever start a thread I'd be glad to participate. You are now my first person sent to ignore.

pssst. i'm not constantine. i'm canadian.

could someone pass that on to vunderboy svp?









[edit on 3-1-2009 by Parta]

One more day folks and I'll update and do the summary. Thanks for the contributions.

reply to post by Parta

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Who are you talking about? Count Dracula? No, that can't be right.

I seriously doubt that there could have been a world wide civilization such as exist today ten or twelve thousand years ago. Certainly ten or twenty thousand years from now, if our civilization were to suddenly die out, there would be considerable proof that we have once existed. While all of our cities would most likely have crumbled to the ground, and been buried, the signs of their former existance would still be there, and any future scientists would be able to sort through the clues, just as we are able to identify ancient civilizations of the past that certainly were not as successful as our current society has become. We are still digging up dinosaur bones from millions of years ago, no doubt the bones of our skyscrapers would survive to some degree, not to mention our tractors, and large industrial complexes.

BUT, a civilization of a few million people who reached a level of sophistication and advanced technology of which we are unaware could be possible. How long could man, or a isolated group of men, evolve from stone tools to metalurgy? Possibly this could happen in a few thousand years. That still leaves several thousand years for such a civilization to have dissappeared. Rome had running water for centuries, and when the aquaducts were pulled down in the middle of the first Millenium AD, no city in the Eastern Hemisphere had running water for well over another thousand years. Had Rome not stagnated, but continued on with its advancement, the age of electricity might have came a thousand years earlier.

Maybe an advanced civilization could have developed, covered up its existance, and still lives among us, hiding in the open, with technology beyond our understanding. This isn't likely, but possible, perhaps very possible.

The legends of the people who occupy the mountains east of Death Valley, and Mount Shasta are well known, and mysteriously, have never really been seriously examined by anyone. There is a geat deal of the Earths land mass that has not been explored, only looked at by satelite. It seems that a highly advanced civilization sharing Earth with us could easily hide themselves from satelites.

I'm not sure how "perhaps very possible" fits in... But as has been said before, of course everything is possible. Its so easy to imagine, to go deep into your own fantasy. For example, its possible that there are hundreds of huge 50 mile wide floating cities that are dimensionally cloaked. I could write a dead serious article about it and name it "How An Advanced Civilization Have Escaped Our Notice" if I wanted to and I'll bet some people around here would soak it up like a sponge.

reply to post by merka

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Its called thinking outside of the box. It would not be very possible that there are floating cities in the sky. They would also have to be able to allow flying objects to fly through them without interference. These floating cities might occasionally experience technical malfunctions, problems blending in with passing clouds and such. You might have to conjure up numerous people who claim to have seen such phenomenon.

There are many who advance the idea of a third kind, a civilization that lives among us that is more advanced technologically. This is a very far fetched concept, but there is some evidence to support such an idea. I don't think you could convince many people of your floating invisible cities idea.

no not dracula but that is an excellent example of a pscychosocial barrier. congratulations.

reply to post by Parta

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I guess you could say it is an example of such, but you did not say who you are talking about. What person is this that you were referring to?

dracula was the first thing that came to your mind and that will influence how you think about anything else. its an excellent example.

as for your comment about millions of people disappearing... isn't that a bit big? it could be a very small number. the total population of europe at the last glacial maximum was only supposed to have been 4400–5900 inhabitants (95% confidence interval (CI95%: 1700–37,700 inhabitants) [Bocquet-Appel et al]. Valois says 400-500,000. Alexeev thinks 50,000 and one generation in the mesolithic was not greater than 25-30,000.

no matter what the number was, these people in europe had technology and abilities which don't appear again for at least 15ky.

prince eugene of savoy

But that's why I said dimensionally cloaked. They are phased out of our dimension, so clouds, sight, planes, everything go through.


Ah yes... Well they have so advanced technology it doesnt malfunction. All these claims about Atlantean technology still working in the depths, you know? In addition, there are historical events one can use... The explosion in Tunguska. Neither UFO nor asteroid, it was a power core that had to be dumped due to critical failure (same safety system that is used in Star Trek warp cores... The writer had inside info you know). Oh and reports of their presence is easy. All it takes is a little will and you could whip out what looks to be an accurate transcript of a commercial airliner seeing *something* big and shiny to their left...


Eh... You lost me there completely. I was talking about a civilization that lives among us. You say there is some evidence to support such an idea (what evidence?). Yet you dont think I could convince many people with it?

In the end, all you really have to do is to tie things together to make people foam at the mouth in excitement. Nazi UFOs? Yep, they found a way to get in contact with the floating cities (from a long lost temple in the Himalayas of course) and acquired their technology, in return for influence over world leaders. Modern UFOs? The reason they are so sporadic is because of the dimensional shift technology, the same keeping the cities hidden. The UFO battle over Nuremburg? Well that was just two rival cities duking it out. Glass domes on the moon? That's just the occasional glimpse of an moon based city because the shield system isnt designed for vacuum (making it seem like glass). Etc and so on, haha.

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Book burnings?

Most books addressing this issue ought to be burned. For lies and misleading statements contained within.

And anyway, an ancient unknown civilization that we know nothing of today wouldn't be impacted by books written by people that never knew of them.

Unless you want to stipulate that such a book could have existed but was burned. In that case, you could just as easily, and just as validly, stipulate that a book including information that conclusively proves that there never was any such ancient unknown civilization once existed as well, but was burned.


From your link:

There were already many, many even older libraries in various countries around the Mediterreanean long before that date. Not all of them were "burned down" and none list any info on any unknown civilization.

IOW, it's not as if the Library at Alexandria is a single, now lost, source.



Are you really claiming that evidence for an ancient unknown civilization once existed in books in the Library of Congress? You are aware, right, that other copies of these books would also exist?


From your link:


A History of Military, Political, Religious and Social Censorship
The only thing at this link that remotely applies would be religious censorship.

If religious censorship is so prevalent that it keeps us from finding out about our past, then how is it that I know about Homo Erectus in the first place?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

The Inquisition: Destruction of "alternative knowledge"

Repetition doesn't serve to strengthen a claim - you already covered the inquisition in your "Censorship" link to wiki.

Besides, everyone expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Harte

Howdy Harte

I certainly don't expect the Spanish inquistion, Portuguese yes, but not Spanish.

As part of fringe mind set they have to have reasons why the evidence cannot be found to support their ideas. So you have past people destroying stuff and the present people hiding everything. Well people DID destroy evidence, often literary, the Chinese and Papal authorities did so with aplomb. Destroying archaeological evidence is a whole lot harder.


To the other posts that came. Yes a modern world 10-12k ago that we cannot detect is ludricious but as you said if a small group made enormous strides then was destroyed by a natural disaster we might well miss them.

The farther you go back the easier it is to miss. One of my favorite speculation is what would have happened if a Dinosaur subspecies had evolved intelligence. Such a civilization- if it remains very small would be difficult to detect....but that is the wonder of speculation and fantasy.

So with more contributions I'll hold off summarizing.

Best places to look for lost civilizations? Harte?

reply to post by Parta

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Ah yes, but if my view of Dracula is fairly neutral, as it is, then I don't have much of a pre-conditional attitude towards him. You might consider you are taking the same attitude towards my post.

Prince Eugene, looking him up on google, sounds like an interesting character, but I am not finding the same level of accomplishment as you are claiming. Have any links?

reply to post by Parta

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Ah yes, but if my view of Dracula is fairly neutral, as it is, then I don't have much of a pre-conditional attitude towards him. You might consider you are taking the same attitude towards my post.

Prince Eugene, looking him up on google, sounds like an interesting character, but I am not finding the same level of accomplishment as you are claiming. Have any links?

reply to post by merka

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Ah yes, dimensionally cloaked, like heaven and hell. It has been already done, lots of people make enormous fortunes off of the idea.

Of course, super advanced technology never has any glyps, you must be an office guy, or you might have a future as a salesman, what with your winning personality.

Yes, people will believe anything, but that is half the fun of thinking about things.

reply to post by poet1b

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Yes that sly Merka

Speculation can take you to many places, of course in this thread we are looking at how or why a civilization might have escaped our notice. Hyper advanced technology could be the answer too. LOL

this is a little vague. can you be more specific about the points you could not confirm in wiki? richest man on earth says hans kopp [i say probably only in christendom]. ancient "sea" he drained "Vidovaje Ocean" as he called it. is there doubt about him defeating the turks?