Do you hate Christians and why?

Christians are people who often have the right motive but who get steered by shame and performance, easily.

Christianity has a real methodology behind it. It is the same with all religions under this umbrella:

Automaton conformity
Shame
Control
Perfectionism
Contemptuousness
Condescending
Patronizing
Fear
Punishment
Ritual
Performance
False humility
Counterfeit love
SECRETS!!

And...in between these disgusting traits, are at times; love and compassion. Certainly I have known many kind, loving, giving individuals, but then, why remain in something that is this vile?

My thoughts? If they remain, they will possibly eventually lose their; kind, loving and giving characteristics.

What makes you so certain you are correct?

It seems that the excepted idea in the world is that "love" is at the core of all religions, if so, then what is love? Is it an emotion? Is it something you feel (like an emotion)? Is it something you do for someone?

Tell me, what you think it is, I already know what it is.

If we find out what love is then we can see how individual beliefs measure up to it.

-Lahara

reply to post by dunwichwitch

---

Wanted to amend my previous statement....

Maybe the point of the riddles is for all of this to happen in search of the answer. Think about once all of the fighting between religions and sects of religions and non believers of religions is over and people finally start coming to an agreement on who we are and why....

Think of what we could do then. THEN, there will be true progress and freedom.

There may be disagrement, but I get the feeling that once the big mysteries of now are better agreed upon, we can overlook stuff like who has more than who, who looks better, who's more fit, or who's idea is more feasible or petty stuff like that....

It's very simple... but it's a cycle.

I'm going to go not think about religion or mysticism for a while.

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

---

I am a Christian, so I don't know if this disqualifies me to respond, but I will regardless. I'm a Christian, and I love other Christians, not to mention many other people as well. I know, it sounds cliche, but I believe it's how it's supposed to be. It doesn't matter what you believe or how, it is our job to love everyone and show them peace and joy. I don't really know how to write this without sounding superficial/cliche or just plain insane, but it's true. I've said it many times here and I'll say it again: The image of Christianity is skewed. People, namely Christians that are supposed to represent our God to the rest of the world, seem to of forgotten what its truly about, and this is exactly where we get the mentality to create this thread.

I'm not here to bash the thread, not at all, as I see civil conversation in a thread such as this an important key to both sides understanding each other better, and that is why I am here. Jesus came to show us love and love alone. Sure, you can deny Jesus' exsistance, but it's what I believe, so I act upon it. We are taught that we are all created in God's image, and it makes us all equal, and that love is for all, whether you believe or not. However, the redemption that can be found only in Christ Jesus' death is something a lot of "non-Christians' if you will, can't wrap their heads around.

I'm sorry that the average "Christian" seems to piss people off, and I hope we can change that. Honesty, humbleness, giving and love are the main points of our relationship with God. The want to obey God's rules will come the more you love him. That's what people don't get. They think God will love them if they obey, but obeying requires so much that people don't want to give up. People need tor realize that they are loved, and from there act accordingly.

I hope this clarified something.
Peace.

What makes you think you are correct?

I'm certain that "love" is not the core of all religions...

care to challenge me on this?

Thanks for taking the time to say that. Trust me, I do not judge everyone so broadly. I do have a habit of generalizing the jerks that steal the spotlight unchallenged for so long. I know there are good and bad in all religions but Christians (not you apparently) are the only ones that have ever lobbied to decide what me and my lover do. They are the only ones that have tried to turn this country into a Christian nation. Everyone else seems happy to just be here. I liked your post though.

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

---

Well thankyou. See, here is the thing. We are taught that God loves us, not our sin. It's simple, really, because if it weren't for that, we'd be nothing. When it comes to country, this is where I must truthfully say that maybe we may clash a little. I believe that Christian principles of love and unity are one that can hold a country together. Maybe I'm blind, but I see western countries being extremely prosperous when founded on a more "stable" if you will religion, as compared to eastern nations that are engulfed in civil war. HOWEVER, I must be careful as I say this because this statement could come off as prejudice, racist, and a stupid assumption, so please, if you feel differently, correct me. When it comes down to it, I am against abortion and same sex marriage. However, I know what it is like to develop a relationship that you just can't see yourself without, so in saying that, i don't believe Gay's need to be discriminated on, but maybe an alternative to marrige for them would be my ideal solution. Please, don't be offended though, if you do fit into the category I'm talking about.

I don't want to put down fellow Christians because I am in no place to judge, but I try to act according to what I am taught. I am taught in church, straight of the Bible, mainly new testament. It is all about God's love, and what we can do for him and others. It's the belief and faith in Jesus Christ as the only possible sacrifice for our sinful nature that could get us to heaven, but it's not just about a free ticket to heaven. It's about giving your life spiritual meaning and spiritual fulfilment. I know what I believe is real, but this isn't my thread to hi-jack.

No, I don't hate Christians. As I said on the Do You Hate Muslims thread, I don't hate anybody. Yeah, that's right. I have no hate in my heart. I call myself a Christian, by the way, but, boy, would many people who know me say that can't be true, because I am quite a prolific sinner. Lust, sloth, gluttony, envy, oh, how many more can I name?

How do you feel about gay marriage? Abortion advocates... etc...

most christians say they don't hate anyone, but when held to a test, really do... they just discribe it as "hating their sins" etc etc.

I don't hate Christians. I don't hate anyone. I do get irritated when anyone tries to push their religious beliefs on to me though. I don't push my beliefs on anyone, so I would appreciate the same courtesy.

Once I was at the wake of a very close family member when another family member pulled me aside, asked me to sit down, and then proceeded to persuade me to get saved. I was so pissed off that someone would try to do this at THE worst time ever! How rude!

Have I ever, or know anyone who cornered a religious person and tried to get them to turn away from thier religion? Never! I'd never even consider it. I can't believe the huge ones some people have!

No, I don't hate Christians. I don't even dislike them. I just get *really* irritated at some of them sometimes.

Hate the sin, love the sinner as they say. So it means hate the Christian but love the person, they're not perfect so it's only right to treat the person nicely. We can't let them being a Christian get in the way of us loving them as a fellow human being. It's really the only compassionate thing to do.

[edit on 20-12-2008 by ghaleon12]

Hmm... Sounds like you want to fight, if so, that's not very rational thinking.

I never said that love was at the core of all religions, I said it is excepted as such, so love would be the measurement that we would use to judge these religions seeing how most claim that they are centered around love.

What makes me think I'm right? I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, so I believe I'm right, but I could be wrong, you see so many people throw around the word love without thinkin about what it means.

-Lahara

I am not talking about marriage. You are considerate. I am a straight white male. The thing is, if I wanted to have a man in my bed, who should get to stand at pulpit and preach that me and my kind are sinners and bad and must be "fixed" or corrected or, yes even punished - apparently by the holy hand of god as it speaks through ignorant rednecks. If everyone wants to debate the friggin word "marriage" I could care less. That part just seems really stupid to me. To deny someone from being at their soulmate's side as they die because you don't want them using a word is as silly as them insisting a civil union that offered the exact same rights is not acceptable to them.



I think you have no idea of how rare you are, or how quiet the rest of you are. You get it but you do know as well as I do that there are Christians out there that openly oppose homosexuality no matter who the homosexual is. You know what I am talking about. They exist and the discriminate and try to legislate their morals and keep the world closed to homosexuals. So far, in my lifetime in the United States, Christians are the only ones who ever do that. No, not all of them but it only takes one bigot with a microphone. Christians have lots.

When I turned 18, I moved out and away from my family.
They were Christians. But I don't hate them for that.
I never believed In God. To me being a Christian Is all about sin.
You go to confession to reveal your sins, you eat the Body of Christ to rid your sins. It all steers around the sin area.
Moving on...
When I used to be a Christian you had to eat a peice of cardboard that was reffered to the Body of Christ.
Which is all silly, because I think we can manage the Christ's body much more giving then card board.

All in all, I dislike the Christians..

I'll answer this the same way I answered the other thread

I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate them...
But I do admit I find all Muslims Jews and Christians very capable and willing to commit to and carryout terrorist attacks against innocent people.

What I find odd is these three groups all believe in the same god yet are so very willing to kill each other over something as silly as the method of worship...

Frankly I'm Damn glad to be a big dumb Red Skin... with that said, why don't the religious fruit cakes finally free Leonard Peltier

Angel, I was brought up with a very strict catholic family then at the age of 14 I suddenly saw the light, I realised at that early age that religion was nothing more than a weapon a tool in which to control knowledge and control the masses.

The true religion Paganism was replaced by todays modern constructs. early man was in touch with the Cosmos, the Earth and all living things. This has all been lost and hate, fear and ignorance replaced it. Today more people have died and suffered in the name of so called religion. People still live their lives in fear and ignorance because of their religion.

This modern religeous construct has dumbed humanity down and prevented harmony between the masses it has slowed our natural evolution and threatens our very existance.

Religion is an all pervasive virus in which the only cure is to be free from its control. Only then will the individual become enlightened.

reply to post by Cassidy WolfPaw

---

that must have been horrible for you,

I came from a family of preachers, they were all good people and I never recall them being hateful to anyone, so I have fond memories.

[edit on 093131p://bSaturday2008 by Stormdancer777]

after thought,

think of how boring this forum would be with out Christians on the planet,

I don't agree... I think we'd be better off without them...as well as without all the other groups listed.... Better to be board then to make excuses for their intolerance of those of us who fall under the "other" category.