I don't hate Moslems, I hate religion and what this makes people do.

I am responsible for all my action now, not in the future and not responsible to a God or anything else. I try to treat all humans the same respecting my wife with the same priveledges as myself - she can wear what she wants, she can drive a car, she can pray alongside me - if she wanted to.

These examples seem trite - but Islam teaches (or indoctrinates) a set of ethos at a young age that really is not properly questionned later. You don't truely question human rights -this can quite easily lead to bombers etc. Would a moslem rescue a fellow moslem or an atheist when both were in trouble and nothing to differ between the two?

Interestingly, Islam was very advanced in its liberal thinking in the middle ages and was culturally more advanced than western civilisation.

Islam is no different than any other religion (why do Jews still do circumcision - there is absolutely no need for this from a religion that believes God created man in his own image!).

Religion is nothing short of power.

Templar, Quite correct religion has to masters, control of knowledge and control of the masses. It is religeous hate that is at the origin of so many wars and suffering.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
I shall answer this with a Video if I may, it is too much for me to get into in this thread...


The koran says that the rocks will cry out to the returning Messiah to kill the Jews behind them, and they say clearly to KILL Saturday people (Jews) on Saturday and Sunday People (Christians) on Sunday...

Maybe you should read the koran before commenting on it's conents, just a thought...

[edit on 12/19/2008 by theindependentjournal]

So videos of people discussing David Koresh must accurately sum up all Christians? Take your advice. Please show the exact quotes from the Quaran. Make sure it is not some English that someone slapped together.

Most non-Muslims do not understand a crucial point, and that is that the Qur'aan is understood by Hadeeth texts. In Islam from these 2 sources, we are encouraged to propagate the religion and invite people to it not kill them. If they reject they have the free choice to do so and there is no compulsion in religion as stated in the Qur'aan. If residing under a Muslim authority, the non-Muslim pays a special tax. As muslims we pay a tax too and all of it goes towards the social welfare. -anonymous Muslim

Now you can debate that point but can you prove it?

i think we should give every religion race country a nuclear weapon and when we yell go they all launch it at whome ever they want....that would be fun....

Wow.. it seems to be alot of Americans have removed the emotional irrational hatred that infected so many, cool. I have been in sick shame for alot of years at USA's Government and it seems many Americans don't realise how the world views them. Our news coverage isn't anywhere near emotionally charged and full of propaganda. The horrors that the US has done since 9/11 well eclipses all attacks against it. If this topic question was to be asked on a site with no American Members. Then it would have been:

"Do You Hate Americans If So Why"

Personally tho:
I see all humans as equally prone to mob rule, racism, war crimes, hatred etc. So I have to question are any of us victims if any of us could have been running the gas chamber in Nazi Germany or torturing innocent civilians in Guan-Tonimo Bay

As such its not the religion you belong to thats the problem its whos in position of power and influence in a religion that causes either attrocoties or miracles. So I see the real problem being with religion itself.

Religion can take away all sense of reason and people will show their worst (and best) in its name. This is because any belief that gives absolute control of morals and right and wrong to an outside source is dangerous. And its not just that religion inspires alot of pashion in a person. So combine a pashion that already brings extreems out of people and a system where you give away all your decisions of right and wrong unquestionably.

Now who controls those beliefs? A religious leader/priests ect. who acts as buffer between "God" and its followers. Always with the leader communicating Gods wishes to the followers.
This gives the power to control absolutely a religions followers to a Man. A human man, with just as many flaws and alterier motives as anyone.

The most dangerous cocktail.

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The (mostly Saudi Arabian) terrorists that attacked on 9/11 believed they were doing Gods work, to stike a blow against the equivalent of Killer Satan Woreshippers if they were Christians. They believed they were doing Gods work. And they offered their own lives to their God (how many Christians would do that?) So in their world they were hollow good people that were honering their God.. See how Religion can make someone do the most horrific things while thinking they are good holy people. Catholic had a good 800 year of dishing out the evil, so if you would kill the antichrist for your God you now know what it felt like to be a terrorist on 9/11..

Bungle, there is a group that was responsible for 9/11 but they are not Arabs or Muslims, no you would have to look towards the promised land. Their motto is by way of deception thou shalt make war and they have been doing it all over the World for a very long time. From a single assaination to the mass murder of 9/11.

I don't automatically hate a person because they are of a certain race, religion, etc. I try to be nice to everyone, but once they stop being nice, I (usually) stop.

plot by christains to get mmore people to agree with there god. nah i have no clue i dont ming any religon and im no religon

we need to look at all the different landscapes of living lives... and comply with a loving of it all.


Only then... would there be any hope.

Okay, I just HAD to chime in on this one...

Control freaks will latch onto ANYTHING that allows them to control. Hatemongers will do the same with ANYTHING that allows them to foster hate. FearMongers do the same thing....and on it goes.

This goes back to my old argument the the "hate buzz" is a real physiological condition. Just as some people are adrenalin junkies, and seek danger to obtain that, others are slaves to the "hate buzz" and will turn on family, friends, and sure, neighbors to get that.

Also, there are some who will do absolutely ANYTHING not to have an ordinary life. How sad. Personally, I love to learn butchering, baking, AND candlestick making.

People have a tendency to hate whatever the TV tells them to hate.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack


u are delusional

saddam gassed his own people

he was brutal

cold

dirty

a dictator

Umm...last time I checked, it was their country and the USA had no business meddling in there.
What if sa...Germany suddenly disapproves of the American President and decides to attack the USA? It is kinda the same thing.



Oh and about Muslim terrorists, suppose a Muslim decides to blow up a building in the USA, not in the name of religion but because he had other unresolved inner "issues"? Would you blame that attack on the Muslims?
I'm asking this because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian and no one blamed the Christians for it. I know, the guy was nuts, but it is just an example that you cannot condemn a whole group of people for the actions of a few.