Rasputin, in your view what is worse a small group of fanatics who blow people up or a Govemrment that uses it armed might to do the same and killing far more people than said fanatics.

Could it be said that terrorist groups are nothing more than armed forces in miniture. There has been no crime that regular troops have not commited upon a people, be it torture, rape, or mass murder.

What it the differnce between one man who straps a bomb to his chest and the man who drops 5 tons of bombs on civilians?

I have to say i am disguisted by the ignorance shown by certain members . I had the misinterpretation that all ats members were above such ignorant statements.....
Example someone said that islam was spread through violence and intimidation... this is not true may i remind you that The christians started the crusades in which countless lives were lost.

And when muslim leaders one wars there were not forced conversions exqample . when saladin beat the crusaders the christians were not forced to convert are religion teaches us that forced conversion is not the muslim way in our religion we are actually told to tell disbelievers


You have your beliefs and i have mine
you will not believe what i believe
and i will not believe what you believe


so yeah theres alot of ignorant people on here i dont hate any jews christians or muslims becasse of there faith it is ignorant peope that i truly hate...

I like Muslims

I like that they think we are Evil and they can stop us

good luck

see ya at the finish line, son.

Conservative, that is not a very enlightened statement is it. When are people going to wake up to the game that is being played out.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
It would appear that there is much anti Muslim feeeling all over the place at the moment. Given the fact that most people wont know much about people of the Muslim faith where does all this hate come from.

Is it just the media who is telling us every day that Muslims carryout terrorist attacks and no one else does. Is the recent surge in terrorist activity directly linked to the fact that the UK/US/Isreal are waging war against peoples of the Mulsim faith or just waging war full stop for personal greed and profit.

How can it be that peopel can be so easily manipulated and controlled by just stories in the media. 9/11 case not proven as to who was behind the attacks, certainly not Saddam insane and Iraq, 7/7 same there no real proofs as to who was behind the attacks. Oh yes the powers that be will show you a couple of photographs as proof of who did it and who was guilty, but is that proof.

We know that the above three countries, the axis of evil as I like to call them support, form, finance and support terrorist organisations and with that in mind who can anyone possibly believe a word they say. They simply cannot be trusted to tell the truth as that is not their game.

People asked how could a cultured people like the Germans turn into demented savages, how can a man or woman who would not kick a dog or smack a child become sadists and mass murderers.

There is a emerging mirror image of the above historical event, is it now time to stop and look at ourselves before we make the final error.

I have no personal dislike for any peaceful person including muslims.
From the MSM I know that muslims are NOT responsible for terrorist attacks. The mainstream media describes muslim terrorists as "muslim extremists" which I think is FAIRLY fitting as they are both muslim and extremist.

I honestly think this is the wrong thread to bring up 9/11 as part of a discussion regarding ethnic/religious bias as the 9/11 "truthers" will descend on this thread like eagle to a rabbit.

I think the reality is that most of the terrorism being experienced lately, is due to muslim extremists. When was the last time you heard about canadian extremists or swedish extremists bombing someone or something?

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Conservative, that is not a very enlightened statement is it. When are people going to wake up to the game that is being played out.

they aren't going to wake up (the Muslims)

they are telling themselves they are greatness from God and we are evil from the Devil

if they want to believe that

more power to them

BUT, they are going to be DESTROYED if they challenge Obama or America. They think there sh1t doesn't stink. That's what bugs me the most.

They praise a guy who throws a shoe at Bush. We are liberating them and their pride is telling them not to say Thank you.

Because they are still adolescent in their minds. They are (America) in the 1700s.

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The last time I looked we are not liberating anyone, perhaps killing 2 million people is liberating to you but not to me. And by the way not all the populace of the ME are Muslims. And again to look on Muslims as some kind of sub human is also the height of ignorance.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
The last time I looked we are not liberating anyone, perhaps killing 2 million people is liberating to you but not to me. And by the way not all the populace of the ME are Muslims. And again to look on Muslims as some kind of sub human is also the height of ignorance.

u are delusional

saddam gassed his own people

he was brutal

cold

dirty

a dictator

think hitler

stalin

ect

you are on their side which is your right as an american but know the side you are defender does not care one bit about you, would cut your head off like they cut my cousins head off on video, and will leave you bloody and dead

they'll target your daughter in India and single her out and shoot her 30 times

in the name of allah

I smell a lot of post 9/11 feelings in this thread.
Can't blame anyone who would though.

Con whats Saddam got to do with it, yes he did do those things but who supplied him the West did, The US used chemical agents in Vietnam, massacres were committed there by US forces. No one has the I'm a complete savage card we all have it. To make it seem that only Muslims commit henious crimes is just ignorant.

America has just been found out of torturing and murdering people so are they any more or less savage than Muslims no they are not and yes they are. One cannot complain about beheading one individual when a US pilot can behead hundreds in one flick of a switch. If you are going to point the finger of blame then point it all those who commit murder and death not just the ones you don't like.

Wish, what do you mean you cannot blame anyone, we don;'t know who even carried out thsoe attacks and on the basis of lies and deciet we attacked a completely innocent country and killed a million men, women and children in the process and you wonder why people want to attack us.

Ask yourself this, if America was blamed for a similar thing and some one killed a million of your people how would you feel, would you want to hit back, get revenge, yes.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Con whats Saddam got to do with it, yes he did do those things but who supplied him the West did, The US used chemical agents in Vietnam, massacres were committed there by US forces. No one has the I'm a complete savage card we all have it. To make it seem that only Muslims commit henious crimes is just ignorant.

America has just been found out of torturing and murdering people so are they any more or less savage than Muslims no they are not and yes they are. One cannot complain about beheading one individual when a US pilot can behead hundreds in one flick of a switch. If you are going to point the finger of blame then point it all those who commit murder and death not just the ones you don't like.

thats your point of view and i respect it

Dooper, don't mince words, If you cannot understand what this thread is about then thats your fault. This thread is not about Muslims you miss the point completely, no this thread is about mans inhumanity to his fellow man and why we reach that point.

The thread is to explore why we go from normal law abiding citizens to mass murderers. So if you have any views on that please feel free to post.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Dooper, don't mince words, If you cannot understand what this thread is about then thats your fault. This thread is not about Muslims you miss the point completely, no this thread is about mans inhumanity to his fellow man and why we reach that point.

The thread is to explore why we go from normal law abiding citizens to mass murderers. So if you have any views on that please feel free to post.

the title is misleading

the answer to the question about citizens transforming into murderers is Islamic extremism.

Religious nut cases. They are mentally unstable.

I hate muslims because they all think that they are the best. I see it and feel it every time I talk to a muslim person. They take christian, atheists and anybody else as unfaithful men who should be killed or converted to islam.
I know they want to cut our heads and build a mosque where some church used to be.
Such books like quran and bible are just a toilet paper and a damn tool to control minds. But muslims are hardly brainwashed since their early childhood so they almost have no brains to think logically and understand that there is no god.
I hope not all 100% of muslims are like that. But it's just a hope.

Con, so what are your views on the very people you posted about, Hitler Stalin and all the rest of the despots, were they Muslims. Again its not about being Muslim its just a reference to this point in time. If it were the 1930s I might be asking why do you hate Jews, do you see my point.

I have not once said that Muslims do not commit crimes full stop, all peoples do. The discussion here is what elevates people form normal law abiding ciitzens into killers because they see others as inferior or a threat.

The answers may be , because thats the way I was brought up, thats what the media tells me etc.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Con, so what are your views on the very people you posted about, Hitler Stalin and all the rest of the despots, were they Muslims. Again its not about being Muslim its just a reference to this point in time. If it were the 1930s I might be asking why do you hate Jews, do you see my point.

I have not once said that Muslims do not commit crimes full stop, all peoples do. The discussion here is what elevates people form normal law abiding ciitzens into killers because they see others as inferior or a threat.

The answers may be , because thats the way I was brought up, thats what the media tells me etc.

Hitler and Stalin, I know little about. I know they were tyrants. I couldn't and won't lie about the subject. If I had to guess, they were deeply sick individuals who were corrupted to dance by the Devil himself.