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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 04:00 AM by haika
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Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by magicmushroom
So dont give me the bs about naked pyramid torture or a photo of a woman pointing at the poor terrorists genitals because thats nothing compared to
the way they treat prisoners, just ask Daniel Pearls family or the numerous other family members whos relatives beheading videos were showcased on
some Jihad live channel for the world to see..
Islam has a bloody history, it was spread throughout the middle east using violence, fear and intimidation.
Read up on the history, if you didnt convert, you died. simple as that.
[edit on 12/19/2008 by Kr0n0s]
Yeah...um... I bet that you would also be very ticked off if you had a foreign country invading you and installing military bases in your territoy.
And about Islam's history, you might want to read up on Christianity's history as well. Kinda the same thing.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 04:25 AM by The Bald Champion
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Originally posted by haika
Originally posted by Kr0n0s
reply to post by magicmushroom
So dont give me the bs about naked pyramid torture or a photo of a woman pointing at the poor terrorists genitals because thats nothing compared to
the way they treat prisoners, just ask Daniel Pearls family or the numerous other family members whos relatives beheading videos were showcased on
some Jihad live channel for the world to see..
Islam has a bloody history, it was spread throughout the middle east using violence, fear and intimidation.
Read up on the history, if you didnt convert, you died. simple as that.
[edit on 12/19/2008 by Kr0n0s]
Yeah...um... I bet that you would also be very ticked off if you had a foreign country invading you and installing military bases in your territoy.
And about Islam's history, you might want to read up on Christianity's history as well. Kinda the same thing.
AMEN - ERRR - ALAH
I thought the burning of women for facial moles was the best.
Repent...
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 04:54 AM by karl 12
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Originally posted by westcoastbuckeye
Just like most mainstream, organized religion, Islam has been hijacked by radicals (Al Qaeda to name one) who twist the religion's holy book's words
to fit their purposes, or used by a society (Saudi Arabia to name one) to keep people under thumb.
The problem lies in the belief (from those who practice Islam AND Christianity) that those who don't believe what you do MUST be converted or,
failing that, destroyed.
Good post
I find it telling that ,if you look at the two most prominent 'islamic' countries, in one you have religious police force to strictly enforce
islamic practise through brutaly intimidating,violent harrasment techniques....and in the other you can be a victim of state sanctioned execution if
you do not mindlessly and unquestioningly conform to the religion.
Sounds hystericaly insecure to me.
Of course not all muslims agree with this 'do or die' attitude but a growing number of mosques in the UK are now under radical control..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
..and the unhinged,bigoted,sociopathic attitude of 'conversions by the sword for unclean non beleivers' does not seem to be diminishing-although I
do realise some extremist christians would gladly adopt this homicidal attitude as well.
I think radical,religious extremists of any flavour should be openly criticised,condemned and denounced by normal,reasonable,peace loving people
everywhere (both religious and non religious) and
the wholly derogative terms for non beleivers such as kuffars,goys,heretics,heathens etc.. should be as socialy unacceptable as other
prejudiced,bigoted terms and labels.
Perhaps freedom 'from' religion is just as important as freedom 'for' it.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 05:25 AM by The Bald Champion
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Originally posted by karl 12
Originally posted by westcoastbuckeye
..and the unhinged,bigoted,sociopathic attitude of 'conversions by the sword for unclean non beleivers' does not seem to be diminishing-although I
do realise some extremist christians would gladly adopt this homicidal attitude as well.
Welcome to haLF the USA...
The attitude is here. fortunately it is not acted out. Although the fires are being fanned...
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 05:46 AM by WishForWings
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I don't like muslims in Australia that try to "MUSLIMIFY" us.
And build their schools, their places of worship and call us dogs, infidels etc.
Absolutely no respect for those ones.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 05:51 AM by Al-Mahdi
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by magicmushroom
I do NOT hate Muslims and I don't know anyone in my School that does, they and I are afraid of them because their Holy Book says to kill EVERYONE not
a Muslim...
[edit on 12/19/2008 by theindependentjournal]
Chapter 109: (Al-Kafirun - The Disbelievers)
(Revealed at Makkah - 6 verses)
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
1. Say: O disbelievers,
2. I serve not what you serve,
3. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,
4. Nor shall I serve that which ye serve,
5. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,
6. For you is your recompense and for me my recompense.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 06:14 AM by angel of lightangelo
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 06:50 AM by coredrill
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This is my first post on ATS.
I am baptised a christian, but consider myself a skeptic.
I work in the middle east. In the past 8 years i have worked in the middle east, i have worked in two countries - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and United
Arab Emirates (I have been working in UAE since 2005).
KSA or Saudi is one of the most oppressive countries religionwise. it was so suffocating to work there.
While, UAE has liberal views on religion and all religions are allowed in there, except they do not agree on conversion of a native.
UAE doesnt force islam on the non muslim expatriates.
Where as, in Saudi they force it on the expatriates. The religious police in saudi made it real hard for us. we were forced to go for islam classes
and like.
coming to the point,
I have met mulsims who are fanatics. i have kept my distance from them. when they saw that i am not getting touched by whatever they say, and attempts
at getting me interested in ilsam, they left it.
I have met muslims who are liberal. I have friends, loads of them who are muslims and they got loads of common sense. I respect ther religion, they
respect mine.
I dont hate muslims at all.
I hate those radicals who corrupt the minds of the common muslim.
Islam is a very ambivalent religion. One part they teach forgiveness and emapthy. In another part they teach "an eye for an eye".
Since i dont subscribe to any religion, and dont ahte any religion, i am happy as i am.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 07:08 AM by spitefulgod
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They continually moan about things that don't concern them and have absolutely no intention of integrating anywhere, they don't even follow their
religion and instead go off and belittle women.
If you live around them you too will grow to hate them.
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Ohh yeah, they stink and they say dogs are dirty animals? You should see their houses in Blackburn, they are so disgusting that the council has had
to take the action of cleaning them up for them even though they aren't anything to do with the council.
Disgusting.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 07:46 AM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
If you live around them you too will grow to hate them.
LOL....I can relate to that. Not regarding Muslims, but well.
Actually in the U.S. the only Muslims I have known were from the Middle East (Iran, Afghanistan, etc...) and they all seem to integrate very well.
They typically strike me as similiar to old world Europeans, very very hospitable and polite. We do have some African Muslim subcutlures (most
Somalians) but I don't engage with them, and don't have to deal with them.
But I also fully realize that in other countries different ethnic groups CAN cause problems.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:00 AM by DaddyBare
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I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate them...
But I do admit I find all Muslims Jews and Christians very capable and willing to commit to and carryout terrorist attacks against innocent people.
What I find odd is these three groups all believe in the same god yet are so very willing to kill each other over something as silly as the method of
worship...
Frankly I'm Damn glad to be a Red Skin... with that said, why don't religious fruit cakes finally free Leonard Peltier
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:01 AM by karl 12
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Originally posted by Al-Mahdi
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
1. Say: O disbelievers,
2. I serve not what you serve,
3. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,
4. Nor shall I serve that which ye serve,
5. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,
6. For you is your recompense and for me my recompense.
I think there are lots of quotes in the abrahamic mythologies you can pick and choose from but these statements are very disturbing and reminiscent of
dangerous cult logic:
Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or
exile from the land
Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them
into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
Koran 2:8-10
In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.
Koran 2:89-90
The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those
who reject faith (Islam)
Also, the encouragement of the subjugation and systematic abuse of women is 'directly attributal' to the (mis?) interpretation of the Qu'ran and
seems to be bordering on extreme sociopathic misogyny:
uk.youtube.com...
uk.youtube.com...
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:20 AM by magicmushroom
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Thank you all for the posts made thus far, there have been a number of good points made and quite a few silly ones but I would catergorise them as
follows.
The media has a massive impact on peoples thought processes and therefore opinions. Secondly personal experience comes in to play as well, this can be
in either a positive or negative form.
Some people think that all 1 billion followers of the Muslim faith are terrorists or potential terrorists. Some people cannot see that whlist some
Muslim fanatics wage war on us we wage war on them and actually kill more of them than they us.
In the following scenario what would Americana think/do/act.
A number of terrorist attacks take place across the USA, thousands of people are killed and injured. Its is found that Muslim sleeper cells have have
been living amongst the greater Muslim community. The Muslim community on the whole were unaware of the terrorists amongst them and are feardul of
reprisals against them.
Given such a scenario what would be the response from the media and the people.
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:26 AM by Rasputin13
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Originally posted by Unit541
I detest fanatics of any faith. Personally, I'm more bothered by Christian fanaticism than Muslims. Muslims don't show up on my door step ever
Saturday and tell me I'm going to burn for eternity in a lake of fire because I won't let them in to "save" me.
I have several Muslim friends, all of which are respectful of my beliefs and non-beliefs. Generally speaking, I find most non-Christian faiths to be
more tolerant of views that differ from their own.
I'm sorry, but are you kidding me?? Because some "radical" Christians and/or Mormons come to your door and supposedly say some inappropriate
things that do NOT represent the views of the majority of Christians, you think that Christian fanaticism is worse than Muslim fanaticism??
You've got to be kidding me! Radical Muslims are strapping themselves with explosives and walking into crowded marketplaces where innocent men,
women and children (most or all Muslim themselves) and blowing themselves up. But someone coming to your door and handing you a pamphlet bothers you
more?
Last I checked, there weren't any Christians going around and cutting non-believers heads off. And last I checked, I have yet to see any rallies
where thousands of Muslims take to the streets to reject Islamic extremism. Clearly, the majority of Muslims are not terrorists and do not pose
radical views. But at the same time, they do little-to-nothing to publicly condemn it.
You cannot sit there and honestly say that the majority of Christians are like those that you say come to your door and say such horrible things about
you burning in hell. I am a Christian, and I don't know a single person who attends my church or any other church who thinks that way.
It's sad that such a good website and message board like ATS are so prevalent with biased views like yours. Reading your post makes me want to
violate ToS and really give you a piece of my mind. But I recognize the fact that you know not what you say and that you have clearly been
brainwashed by the anti-Christian media in this country. I could really care less what religion you or anyone else is, and I can say the same for
most Christians. So please spare us the anti-Christian ignorance because you are making yourself look much worse than the people you are bashing.
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