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Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by nikiano
Find something in the Constitution about this. It is just a law written to protect the soldiers from out of control civilian law enforcement. In this case, the law is NOT being broken because the Marines are not enforcing civilian law on civilians. They are enforcing Marine Regs on Marines. The Sheriff/CHP does not control the Marines. The Marines are not under his control. They are under the control of the Marine Corps chain of command. Hence, no violation. Nothing illegal. No 'erosion of Constitution' whatever that means, here.
Why, you ask, might the Marines be at the DUI checkpoint, observing? Because they do not assume the authority to stop non-Marines. The CHP can stop EVERYBODY but the Marines can only stop Marines. OK so far? So the Marines can't stop cars at their own DUI checkpoint on public highways because they don't know which has a Marine driver and which doesn't. They tag along on the CHP checkpoint because the CHP's can stop... who?...EVERYBODY. Now you ask, why don't they just stop cars on base? That is because they DO stop cars on base but on base is not where young Marines are getting killed. Where are they getting killed? On the public highway. What do the Marines want to do? Enforce driving regs on young Marines. Who can they legally stop? Marines. Who can stop EVERYBODY? CHP. Still with me?
Now, when one of the cars of EVERYBODY that is stopped by CHP has a Marine driver, the MP's can enforce Marine regulations which, by the way, are far more stringent than any civilian regulations. Otherwise, they don't interfere. Why don't they take part in Civilian arrests? The 'Posse' Law.
That was easy, wasn't it?
This law was written to keep the military from acting as civilian law enforcement personnel under the control of local authorities. Note again that the Marines are not enforcing laws of any kind on the general populace. They are not stopping the general populace. They are not arresting or ticketing the general populace.
Originally posted by 7H3Y 4R3 C0M1N6
Meh maybe it would be better to have military checkpoints. When I was in Egypt they had checkpoints full of guys with with ak-47s and trucks with mounted machine guns. I know I know, we aren't Egypt but still, I think people are over reacting about military presence. When it becomes abundant all over the place and becomes restricting, then I think it would be time to take some sort of action.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
They learn firsthand how in the "real world" how drunks act.
Originally posted by nikiano
This says nothing about the MPs being there to ticket Marine personnel only. It says the CHP will set up DUI roadblocks with the prescence of Military police. (Although, even if they were there to ticket their own troops, which I doubt, it would still not be right.)