This law was written to keep the military from acting as civilian law enforcement personnel under the control of local authorities. Note again that
the Marines are not enforcing laws of any kind on the general populace. They are not stopping the general populace. They are not arresting or
ticketing the general populace.
You say the Marines aren't there to ticket the general population. That is NOT what has been reported by many websites that have been covering this
Once again, read this from an article:
Marine Corps Air and Ground Combat Center (MCAGCC) Provost Marshal (head of a unit of military police) and the local California Highway Patrol
office will begin working together 12/12 — and through the holiday season — in a joint effort to reduce accidents and drinking and driving. The
combined mutual cooperation between the Marine Corps Military Police and State enforcement officers will begin somewhere along Highway 62. The CHP
will set up DUI roadblocks with the presence of Military Police.
This says nothing about the MPs being there to ticket Marine personnel only. It says the CHP will set up DUI roadblocks with the prescence of Military
police. (Although, even if they were there to ticket their own troops, which I doubt, it would still not be right.)
So, once again, Mr. Police Officer, I ask you for proof to back your statements. You asked me to give citations to back up my arguments, and I have,
on many occasions. So far, I have asked you twice for citations to back up your arguments, and you have not. So far, all you have offered is your best
guess and personal opinion.
If the MPs were there to ticket their own Marines, show me something, in writing to prove that that is all they were there for. Show me anything to
back up that statement. Because in the beginning of this thread, you said they were there to just observe, and it was "usual and customary" for that
to happen.... for CHP and for MP to conduct joint training maneuvers on US soil. I asked you to cite past examples of that, and you did not.
Then I said that the posse comitatus act does not allow the military to do anything involving police duties, unless they are expressly written in a
law or in the Constitution. I asked you to show me a law on the books that allows for MPs to conduct DUI task forces with state highway patrol....but
you did not.
Now you say that it is not a violation of any law because the MPs are not ticketing regular citizens, but rather Marine personnel. This is wrong, but
even so, I ask you once again: show me the proof. Show me something in writing that says that they were there to ONLY ticket Marines. Seriously.
In any case, it is obvious we are going to continue to disagree. Which is fine...this is America, and I usually enjoy a good debate.
Plus, I have to thank you for opening my eyes. This has been very enlightening for me, because before this discussion, I was never really worried that
much about Martial law. I was worried about the erosion of our rights, but not really about Martial Law. Why?
Because I have never had a run in with the law, and I always considered you guys (the police) to be fair and just with normal, law abiding citizens. I
always assumed that Martial Law would never happen, or, if it did happen, I assumed our military and our police would not be as.....er.... pliable....
as the police were in Nazi Germany and in other similar tyrranical regimes.
I assumed that OUR police, because they were American citizens first, would NEVER do anything their government asked them to do that was against the
Constitution, or that would harm us or infringe upon our inalienable rights as American citizens.
I had dreams of a day that one day, if our government ever got corrupt enough to declare martial law under false pretenses, that our police officers
and our military would say...."Um, no, I don't think so. I will not blindly follow orders that are not ethical."
Boy, was I wrong.
Because it seems that you, a sworn police officer, don't really care if you're asked to do something that the founding fathers of our country meant
to expressly avoid, by precisely crafting and wording the Constitution just so. It seems you don't mind working in a "gray" area when it comes to
our Constitutional rights. And that is very, very disconcerting to me.
So, I must say... thanks for opening my eyes.
Now I know who I can trust when the government continues to infringe on our rights little by little. Now I will know who I can trust if Martial Law is
ever declared. Will I be able to count on the cops for help? No, from what I've seen here..... you and other police officers will continue to enforce
the laws, as they are made, regardless of how unconstitutional they may be. Because that's your job....and you'll do as you're told.
And to me, this is scary, because I had really, really hoped that our police and our military would stand up to tyrrany, even in it's beginning
But I have another question for you.... let's move out of the "gray area" of MPs policing other Marines on U.S. soil. Let's create a scenario
that's not quite so "gray."
What would you do, Mr. Police officer, if your captain asked you to take those very same MPs, in their Marine uniforms, along with you to do DUI
roadblocks, and told you that the MPs can stop and detain ANYONE they believe could be drunk, regardless or not they were Marines. Would you go along
with that order?
[edit on 21-12-2008 by nikiano]