posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 06:41 PM
Awesome thread. I'd like to add a few things and ask a couple of questions:
1.) First, to Questionall-
Thanks again for another wonderful post. I read about the checkpoints in California on George Ure's urbansurvival blog this morning. I was going to
make a post about it myself today after work if nobody else had, so I'm glad to see that somebody else had.
2) To Emeraldzeus-
Please know that all of us here in ATS (well, at least not me) are NOT against the military personnel or the military, in general. My grandfather was
a WWII veteran, I have many friends who are veterans or were active duty at one point, and I almost joined the military myself after 9/11 (before I
learned the truth about 9/11) but I couldn't due to a medical problem. We need the military to keep us safe.
However, we ARE opposed to corruption of government or blatant misuse of the troops. And any use of US troops on American soil for ANY civilian
reason is mis-use. So, even if the MPs were merely "observing" the CHP, it is still a violation of the constitution. Think back to your American
History/American Government classes: there is a reason for everything in the Constitution.
That being said, I don't buy the excuse that they were merely "observing" at all, because I know plenty of guys who lived on military bases, and
their MP's have PLENTY of experience giving out DUI's. They don't need ANY practice, because I know one guy who got kicked out of the military due
to a DUI. They know how to do a checkpoint just fine. The military spends TONS of money on training Marines and MPs....they don't need to send them
on civilian ride-alongs. And no disrespect to the CHP, but I can't imagine that Marines could learn anything from the CHP, anyway.
What I, personally think, is that the military is up to something, and they are using DUI checkpoints as an excuse. The military knows about the
constitution. I think that they are using this little exercise to gauge the reaction of America. They want to know what people will do when we see
military personnel at a traffic checkpoint. I think it has nothing to do with DUI...it has everything to do to finding out how many (if any)
Americans will put up a stink about this.
But let's assume that your explanation is correct, and let's just say that they were out there doing checkpoint training. Here's my question:
If there truly is a 100 mile zone of our borders that is constitution-free, and if this gives them the right to do checkpoints in the U.S. then why
on earth are they NOT patrolling our border with Mexico, watching for illegal immigrants coming up from Mexico?? Hello??? All the Mexican and Central
American criminals and drug-dealers, and human traffickers and gang-members coming up from Mexico are becoming a HUGE problem. (Not to mention all the
Mexican non-criminals sapping our resources, but that's another subject entirely.)
People have said for YEARS, why can't we send in the military to protect our borders?? Constitutional lawyers then say that the military can't,
because it's prohibited in the constitution to put troops out on US soil for civilian purposes. So....let me get this straight....it's illegal for
the military to patrol our borders to protect against foreign nationals crashing and invading our country, but they CAN conduct joint maneuvers in DUI
checkpoints against Californians?
Nope, I don't buy it.
Also, regarding your argument about the checkpoints were there because the military wants to protect the welfare of their soldiers, because of so many
civilian DUIs so close to their military base: I don't buy it.
PTSD and post-war suicides are killing a hell of a lot more military personnel than DUI accidents at this point. It doesn't make sense that they
would spend extra resources "learning" how to conduct DUI checkpoints better, when there are so many more soldiers dying from PTSD and depression
due to insufficient health care resources in the military. If they really want to protect the welfare of their military personnel and prevent more of
them from dying, have them go in an take over a civilian hospital and demand free healthcare for suffering soldiers and vets from civilian hospitals.
I'd buy that excuse more than a DUI checkpoint training operation excuse.
No, if there were Marines, in uniform, at a traffic checkpoint in California, you can better believe the military WANTED people to see the Marines in
their uniforms. If the military wanted to send them there strictly for observation without causing a stir or being noticed, they would have at sent
them in ride-alongs in their civilian clothes so people wouldn't get the wrong idea and avoid all possibility of a national uproar.
3) If anyone out there from California was a witness to the events this morning, I'd love to hear from you. I'd like to know what you saw, first
[edit on 19-12-2008 by nikiano]