been on an island for 10 years, what happened?

yes, i am starting to filter them out, but i dont mind asking or answering queations from them or even reading their info. the best way to know your enemy... you know what i mean? and you hit ti right on the head, about the stance most people have. yet again another insightful bit of info from you.

I would advise you to go back to the island where you came from, cause you were much better there!

I would ask if you could share the island also...

YES! YES! LETS ALL GO TO MY ISLAND NOW!

cashlink, tezz, and hopefully ashamedamerican, can you tell me about the rapetriot act? oh i meant patriot act. freudian slip. and anyone else?

Christians don't hate us for our freedom (to sin). They let God sort it out.

Muslims take it into their own hands and kill the infidels (and themselves) with bombs.

Apparently, Allah just isn't a very good admin.

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You will love this video it is about what is bad about the PATRIOT Act!
Please watch let me know what you think.

www.plime.com...

OK. Let´s try to keep an objective view and mention only known facts.
They are as follows.
Four jetliners, two from American Airlines and two from United Airlines were hijacked on Sep. 11 2001. These jetliners all crashed killing all their ocupants. Two of them crashed in New York City one against each of the WTC towers. The third plane crashed against the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed in fields in Shanksville Pa. This last one was as a result of the passergers getting organized and attacking the hijackers because they found out through plane-phones what had happened at NYC and Washington and decided not to let the terrorists use them as another weapon to crash against some building. It is believed that the target of this last plane was either the White House or the Capitol Building in D.C.
From the hijacked airplanes there were numerous phone calls, most of them made from plane-phones and a few made from cell phones. From this calls, a lot of information was inmediately available to authorities as far as who the hijackers were. Which were their seats for instance, and from this information authorities were able to determine the possible identities of some of the hijackers. It is believed that some of them were traveling under different names from their real ones, but some are believed to have been using their real names.
From one of the hijacked airplanes one of the terrorists actually made an anouncement which he aparently intended to give to the passengers on an active air traffic frequency and so traffic controllers were able to hear the terrorist saying something like: "we have several aircraft, and there is a bomb on board, we are returning to the airport, don´t move, and do as you are told, and everything will be allright". This transmition was actually made public after a few days of the hijackings.
There was a great amount of confussion during the hijackings and the crashes and authorities got to the point of believing there were more hijacked flights, at a certain point the FAA ordered a TOTAL GROUND STOP. All flights that had not taken off got canceled and all flights that were in the air were ordered to LAND AT THE NEAREST AIRPORT. Within a few hours all civilian aviation had come to a stand still and it remained grounded for several days.
In NYC the crashes of the planes against the buildings, damaged these greatly in their structure. Both planes hit the towers at very high speed and loaded with a lot of fuel, which created a unique situation that was not considered in the design. In spite of this the buildings didn´t topple or fail at that instant, but the fire and the damage to them was such, that after some time, aproximately 1 hr. in one case an 2 hrs. in the other, there was a failure in the structure of each tower in the area were the plane had hit, and the portion of the building above that area fell on the lower portion, which was unable to support it. Due to the unique design of these towers, they collapsed after this event, the outer structure of the buildings coming appart as the higher portion of building was falling on the lower section. As the mass falling grew, it continued to destroy the lower part of each tower totally disintegrating it. These events, as well as the crash of the second airplane on the tower were seen live worldwide because great coverage was taking place about the fire caused by the first plane.
During these events the crash against the Pentagon took place. That crash was an American Airlines plane. There were numerous wittnesses who were in the vicinity and many actually identified the AA logo and paint job on the aircraft.
American and United Airlines were able to stablish which flights had been hijacked almost inmediatly working toghether with the FAA, FBI, and the airphone companies because in many of the calls made from the planes the passengers or crew mentioned what flight they were on...

(more to come...)

cashlink... im even more scared after seeing that. rush... cell phones work at flight elevation?

No need.... 16th amendment doesn't say anything about ANYONE being required to pay taxes.

yet another good point

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The plane crashes and fires at WTC towers 1 and 2 created an emergency on Manhattan the likes of which had never been seen before. An evacuation of the WTC complex was ordered and thousands of people were able to get out of the threatened area. After the second plane hit, it was realized by most people that an attack on the US was in progress and nobody knew what could follow. There was a lot of confusion and panic.
After aprox. 1 hr. in one case and about 2 hrs. in the other, the two towers collapsed. During this collapse of the skyscrapers, many surrounding buildings were greatly damaged and some also collapsed. The Marriott hotel was one and WTC 7 was another. This last building was hit by large amounts of heavy debris from one of the towers which caused a big gap to open in the lower part of it and fires broke out in several areas also. Many firemen were lost in the collapse of the towers as they were trying to reach people trapped in them. It is estimated that almost 3000 people died at WTC 1 and 2. WTC 7 had been evacuated by the time it also collapsed after several hours of fires in it had continued to burn without control. The fire department, after evaluating the damage to this building and fearing that it was structurally unstable decided to draw back the teams fighting the fires and let it continue to burn. The building actually did collapse a few hours later and the lives of those firemen were spared.

more later...



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Welcome back to paradise. We'd given up on you, since you were just going for a three hour tour. We'll certainly make sure that you don't leave the country again, for your own good of course.

Oh well... this is gonna sound ridiculous but here goes.

Shortly after you left us, things got really bizarre. Slick Willie Clinton went out with a $70M bang in 1999-2000. GWB lost the ensuing election, but we gave it to him anyway on account of his boyish good looks. He was very appreciative and got right to work on the Patriot Act, just in case our freedoms needed protecting. What a visionary of a dude.

All of those democratic processes must have made less fortunate people jealous of our transparent and uncorrupt utopia. We knew our more perfect union could not last forever in such an imperfect world. A deadly strain of terrorist techno-cave geeks quickly mutated into existence complete with a plan encoded into their DNA. But not just any plan...... I'm talking about a scheme so cunning that Captain James T. Kirk would be regarded henceforth as merely a novice strategist by reputable historians.

These weren't your typical run of the mill conspirators, is what I'm trying to say. Up until this naive point in history, terrorists were not generally considered to be Rhodes Scholars.... nor were they considered to be all that generous. That was the genius of this new plan; to turn the tables on the good samaritans of American politics.

Yes this plan, when carried out to perfection, would leave the United States no choice but to abolish freedom itself! The only beneficiaries in the aftermath of this mammoth operation would appear to be the military/industrial/media complex of the USA, while the actual perpetrators would appear to be very accomodating for evil-doers (in a deranged sort of way). How would anyone ever solve this perfect crime? MUWAHAHA!

Who would ever think to hold Islamic Extremists accountable if they stood to gain nothing? Afterall, terrorist acts are meaningless without some type of demand or perceived purpose. The only beneficiaries would be the shady bankers and morally defunct politicians when they demolished the aging, unprofitable, and asbestos filled WTC towers. Deftly utilizing passenger planes as if they were laser-guided bowling balls, these Islamic good samaritans went out in an inferno of glory. The attacks would happen BEFORE the buildings were full. And the landing gear would NOT be engaged at the time of impact. And bring the buildings straight down instead of knocking them over, which would be much easier but MUCH less perplexing. And sell the owners of the WTC enough insurance to make them so rich as to be incriminating. And modify the planes so that they will penetrate concrete and steel effortlessly to create more contradictions in logic. And so on and so forth .

Flash forward to the morning of 9/11..........

In a maneuver that was no doubt calculated countless times in Cessna flight simulators, these masters of physics impacted the twin towers utilizing massive jets like surgical instruments, in just the right spot, with just enough english; to knock them STRAIGHT DOWN and pick up the unlikely spare - WTC 7.

Not wanting to be outdone, another student aviator phenom was getting ready to strut his stuff above the D.C. skies. Having seen his old buddy Donald Rumsfeld on CNN while getting hammered at a gentleman's mosque a day earlier, he knew that the D.O.D. had misplaced 2.3 TRILLION dollars. While eating his last pickled egg and chugging a 40 ounce Old English, he whipped out his Rand & McNally map of the Pentagon and quickly located the accounting department. Realizing that his angle of approach was not the most ideal, he yanked her down into a 270 degree dive and started whistling the theme to Top Gun. Skimming microns above the freshly cut Pentalawn, he flicked his passport towards the admiring crowd as his fireball cooked Rummy's books and penetrated three flimsy walls of the Pentacon.

Those terrorists generously, yet deceptively, gave up their lives for the apparent good of the military industrial complex. Lucky for us, FOX News and the FBI instantly appeared on the scene and figured out the whole scam before noon and heroically prevented these henchmen from casting blame on the wrong parties.

Yes 9/11 would have been the perfect crime, had the perps not underestimated the investigative might of US INTEL and cable news networks.

Homeland Security will need proof of your whereabouts for the last ten years (for your safety so that guilty parties can't implicate you in our continuing terrorist investigations).


[edit on 12/20/08 by HaveSeen4Myself]

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I will present what the real facts are on this subject.
Please show your Proof and site your sources as I have thank you.



Please show Proof that these airplanes ever existed and sit your sources.


www.911blogger.com...
If the Government would produce some of the airplane crash debris, like the time change out parts on all the airplanes, and match the parts with their serial numbers to said airplanes, then we will have some proof. However the Government refuses to do so, and they refuse to release the serial numbers of the black box’s. So in a nut shell there is no proof any of these four airplanes even cashed much less even existed. I have shown you all proof, that this part of Government story is a lie. Yes, you should be MAD! Mad as hell!



Lets just start with the Shankville Pa. crash this is just for starters:


pilotsfor911truth.org...
Now let’s have a look at what evident we have about flight 77 that supposed to have crash at the Pentagon.

pilotsfor911truth.org...




Oh yes the famous phone calls from Barbra Olsen where the media got all their info that morning on 911. Was it “true”?

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www.opednews.com...

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So far there is no proof! That those recording came from any highjack airplanes. Prove it?




This part is true.





What? Not “considered” in the design!


arabesque911.blogspot.com...





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This is not all true, I will present proof.


thewebfairy.com...

aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com...

www.911truth.org...

rinf.com...

willyloman.wordpress.com...

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911research.wtc7.net...



Could phone calls be made on those airplanes on 911?


www.rense.com...


www.globalresearch.ca...
So here what I have found to be the supporting facts, I hope this helps some people who are not familiar with the lies of the Government version of 911.

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The following took place from Sep. 11 to Sep. 30:

President Bush called the terrorist attacks "acts of war." For many days stunned rescue workers continued to search for bodies in the World Trade Center's smoking rubble after the attack that shut down the financial capital, badly damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead.
President George W. Bush pledged a crusade against terrorists, saying there was "no question" Osama bin Laden was the "prime suspect" in the Sept. 11 attack. US officials warned that the new war on terrorism will be a long, often secret and a "dirty" contest.
In Afghanistan Islamic clerics demanded proof from the US that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the Sep 11 terrorist attacks. They also requested that the Organization of Islamic Conference, a group of over 50 Muslim countries, make a formal demand for bin Laden’s handover.
President Bush said the United States wanted terrorism suspect Osama bin Laden "dead or alive." The President visited a mosque in Washington as he appealed to Americans to get back to everyday business and not turn against their Muslim neighbors.
The President warned Afghanistan that he would not negotiate to take custody of Osama bin Laden. The Pentagon began deploying troops, ships and planes to the Persian Gulf under code name “Operation Infinite Justice.”
A chartered flight left the US with members of the sprawling bin Laden family. The FBI interviewed 22 of the 26 people aboard.
In Afghanistan the ruling Taliban rejected Pres. Bush’s ultimatum and to give up Osama bin Laden.
Osama bin Laden issued a statement that called for Muslim brothers to resist the “Christian-Jewish crusade led by the big crusader Bush under the flag of the Cross…”
US Sec. of State Colin Powell vowed the US would give allies evidence detailing Osama bin Laden’s connection to the Sep 11 attacks.
President Bush ordered a freeze on the assets of 27 people and organizations with suspected links to terrorism, including Islamic militant Osama bin Laden, and urged other nations to do likewise.
Naseer Ahmed Mujahed, Osama bin Laden’s military chief, faxed a statement to news agencies that said: “Wherever there are Americans and Jews, they will be targeted.”
Interpol issued a bulletin for the arrest of Ayman al-Zawahiri (50), an Egyptian surgeon believed to be Osama bin Laden’s closest al Qaeda associate in Afghanistan.
In Afghanistan the Taliban said it had delivered an official request for Osama bin Laden to leave the country.
Taliban leader Mohammed Omar told a 9-member Pakistani delegation that the Taliban would be willing to fight to the death to protect Osama bin Laden from US military forces.
Leaders of the Taliban said they had Osama bin Laden “under our control,” but would release him to the US only if shown proof that he plotted the Sep 11 attacks. Pres. Bush said he would not negotiate.

On Oct. 1 The US gave Nato "clear and compelling" evidence that Osama bin Laden orchestrated the Sep 11 terrorist attacks.
On Oct. 2 NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson said the United States had provided "clear and conclusive" evidence of Osama bin Laden's involvement in the attacks on New York and Washington.
On Oct. 4 The British government released a 16-page document over the Internet that presented details on Osama bin Laden’s responsibility for the Sep 11 terrorist attacks. And Pakistan announces that it sees sufficient grounds for an indictment against Osama bin Laden.
On Oct. 6 US and British intelligence identify Mohammed Atef, a former Egyptian policeman and close aide to Osama bin Laden, as the key planner of the of the Sep 11 attacks.
On Oct. 7 The Al-Jazeera TV network from Qatar showed video footage of Osama bin Laden praising Allah for the Sep 11 terrorist attacks.

The US began building a broad int’l. coalition for a possible military retaliation against those responsible.

more later...

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Rush969, I will have to respond later to your post I am running out of time.
I am not brushing you off I promises.

A quick message to "Cashlink":

Your sources speak for themselves!

I think you still have to mention Dr. Juddy Wood and Dr. Jim Fetzer.
With their energy beams and stuff.
Of course let´s not forget the Klingons and the Romulans!