reply to post by John Matrix
the main point I'd like to raise with your "technically correct" observation of the lack of observation "nobody was there to watch it happen"
Which is of course correct, but no argument as it is like the "if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it doe sit make a
Although indeed no one is there to hear the sound, we can through experience, logic and thousands of years of human social legacy, assume quite
condifently and accuraltey (certainyl in the case of a tree) that it did indeed make a sound.
A key distinction of fossils and remains and diversified species is that they are observable, studiable, they simply exist they are not trying to bash
us over the head sayign "you must beleive in me".
Also the bible (for example) is a cobbled collection of reinterpretted stories over quite some time, the fact that the Genesis section is newer than
the old testament is telling in so far as that where by when thousands of living scientists concur with (at least mostly) their peers in considering
that based upon many observations it seems reaosnable to assume until other evidence presents itself vastly to the contrary that evolution and natural
selection are bloody sensible concepts. Where as in the case of a creationist perspective, somone wrote down a story based upon somethign that no one
who is alive now or when the story was written actually experienced, and the "proof" is that there must be intelligent design i the universe from
some all pervading creator.
Is that divine intelligence intending for people to be born with disabilities?
or any other unfortunate fact of life on earth.
Perhaps it is because Dogma does not change that Creationists cannot concieve of how change and thus evolution occur, physically, historically,
Even (generalising massivley now) Religion itself could be put to common shamanistic roots where the "holy man" would go on spirit journey's often
with use of psychotropic substances.
In times of crisis religion gives solidarity for it is an opiate that says "dont fear, have faith, all will be fine.
And those who have faith and die, cannot live to loose it.
Those with faith that live only have their one more day on earth as proof of divine countenance.
Control of this faith is a wonderful way to keep people calm when it's all going to hell.
It boils down to someone deciding the answer for everyone rather than everyone finding the answers over time.
If you want to be told what to think read a book.
If you want to make up your own mind, read many books, and dont stop reading.
Personally I feel that their are great advantages to religions, in terms of morale guidance, but the dogmatic rigour of clerical rule and scripture is
against life itself as an adaptive chaotic thing.
It is Ironic then that religions too for all their attempts to keep from changing actually do, christianity for instance have a legion of differing
movments, and many other religions too.
The best thing to illustrate my point is start talking to someone who you consider to share your faith about what you both in fact beleive, you may
find that you end up arguing because of individual personal interpretations.
I always say "your god is who you say he is and no one can tell you different"
Creationists already have an answer to a BIG question, a provision of their faith so they can worry about other things, in one sense that's quite
practical, but they do say that ignorance is bliss.
They don't want antoher answer outside their creation story, it's simply inconvenient for their established belief.
An established beleif with established origins, which evloved, branched off, and was also observed by man & documented, studied, rationalised.