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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 05:42 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by Warrior of Light
reply to
post by Yoda411



I just wanted to re-post this question posed to you by an anonymous user, as I too am interested to read what you and others have to say in response. (I didn't see a reply, so I figure you have anonymous posts blocked, or just didn't see it)


Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Here is a question for the OP. I'm convinced by the scientific evidence of how the Earth was made and the evolution process, but there is something that keeps bugging me...

At what time did a separation between plants and animals happen? is there any evidence of a plant/animal hybrid? This always puzzled me so please help me understand how the difference between plants and animals came to happen.


ill answer that,

early cells developed to be more complex cells these then split into early bacteria and the branch that then lead to archaea and eucaryota

on this branch that lead towards eucaryota and archaea plants began to develop

the first plants were simply single cells that developed the ability to use sunlight to help form energy rather then just digesting matter

so plants carry traces of the early animalistic genome

its not very technical correct but you can say plants came from animals so we share several similarities in cell structure and chemical composition

were not closely related but we are related

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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 07:59 AM by serbsta
Originally posted by centrifugal
reply to
post by Yoda411



Two common arguments among creationists(christians) are that
A) Satan created the fossils to deceive us, making them appear to be aged
B) The timeline in the bible is not to be taken literally, and that God allowed for evolution to occur. In this case evolution would support creationism. According to Genesis God created all forms of life in the same order that evolution describes.

My objective here is not to prove creationism, but to demonstrate that you can't disprove creationism and that you are the delusional one if you think you can. I apologize for the circular argument but it is neccessary.

Creationism is based on faith, and no amount of scientific observation can prove it to be false.


I think this post pretty much sums all that needs to be said.

Creationism is based on faith, and no amount of scientific observation can prove it to be false.

There is no point in arguing or trying to 'convert' someone, its futile; i applaud your efforts though.


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 08:22 AM by John Matrix
reply to post by Yoda411



The beginning of our planet: Your explanation is pure fantasy. It is not based on empirical scientific methods. No one observed any of this.

The beginning of life: Again, this is all speculation. If this was possible it could be duplicated in a laboratory(make a living cell from non life materials). Since a living cell has never been created from non living material in a laboratory, trillions of years of random activity cannot do it. Then you have the problem of explaining how all the millions of life forms on our planet came from this first proposed living cell.

Think about a television set that is turned on but not receiving a transmission. You have random static referred to as snow. It's a black and white picture of snow created by the electron gun in the television firing random electrons. The likelihood of evolution is the same as the likelihood that the electron gun is going to randomly, over millions of years, produce a color picture of my naked wife.

I remain unconvinced. It is quite logical to associate design in the universe to an intelligent designer.

Teach people that they are a product of chance and evolved from slime, then on to animals, and they will act like animals. They daily news programs are proof of that. That's something that can be observed!!
I have no doubt the spoon fed masses are converted and believe in this delusion, so you have a lot of company and support.

No offence intended, but I do find this hypothesis to be an assault on logic and reason. I am convinced that the creator himself could not come down to earth and convince you otherwise. So, I leave you with my two sense.

Evolution scientists get all the gov. funding. Creation scientists don't. It's hard to speak the truth when you know your funding depends on your promulgating lies.


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 09:31 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by John Matrix


The beginning of our planet: Your explanation is pure fantasy. It is not based on empirical scientific methods. No one observed any of this.


can we solve a murder if no one saw it bieng commited?
solve a rape case if the victim was unconcious?

and that reliese on impiracal scientific methods too, you dont have to see it your just have to be able to understand the evidence form a working conclusion and then prove its accurate

which they did and are doing

by your deffinition all murderers should be released unles they were seen killing the victim, having the corpse stashed under the floorboards the murder weapon covered in the victims blood and the killers finger prints, the blood stained clothing of the killer ..... none of it counts bacause they only have the evidence no one actually saw it

see the problem with your argument?

Think about a television set that is turned on but not receiving a transmission. You have random static referred to as snow. It's a black and white picture of snow created by the electron gun in the television firing random electrons. The likelihood of evolution is the same as the likelihood that the electron gun is going to randomly, over millions of years, produce a color picture of my naked wife.
wow havnt i explained exactly why this metaphor is wrong twice already? and how if theose electrons were subject to natural selection the image would quickly appear?

have dead horse will flog i guess

I remain unconvinced. It is quite logical to associate design in the universe to an intelligent designer.
except theres no logic to show its designed

Teach people that they are a product of chance and evolved from slime, then on to animals, and they will act like animals.
yes wont get any crusades witch burning or children in africa today bieng killed and tortured ...... o wait thats what christianity as a religeon did and is still doing today......

They daily news programs are proof of that. That's something that can be observed!!
what that countries with the highest athiest count highest science education are the ones with the lowest crime rates? the best education systems? best health systems?

while the most religeous are not?

No offence intended, but I do find this hypothesis to be an assault on logic and reason.
yes becasue magic is so logical isnt it ...?


I am convinced that the creator himself could not come down to earth and convince you otherwise. So, I leave you with my two sense.
actually that would be a start, after all atheists are just those looking for proof before they jump in feet first ... so maybe he should

Evolution scientists get all the gov. funding. Creation scientists don't. It's hard to speak the truth when you know your funding depends on your promulgating lies.
actually science is quite often self supporting, and when a high capital earner like the bio industries make lots of money they share some of it for the less able to self fund fields of science

science gains knowledge and makes applications, those applications make money that money funds more science



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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 09:32 AM by Lasheic
reply to post by John Matrix



I remain unconvinced. It is quite logical to associate design in the universe to an intelligent designer. ~~~~ Teach people that they are a product of chance and evolved from slime, then on to animals, and they will act like animals.


Logic and rationality... uh... aren't your strong suits, I take it?

Latest Evidence: Sahelanthropus tchadensis and
The Missing Link That Never Was


Creationists... always late to the party eh? I already explained on page 2 how Sahelanthropus was likely not a human ancestor, and how science has known that for the past SIX YEARS, and a mere ONE YEAR after it's discovery.

Way to stay current.

Well, since we're on the topic - I might as well post this video which correlates, since I know someone is going to get cute and mention Nebraska Man or some such hogwash.





reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 09:52 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by John Matrix



"Evolution scientists get all the gov. funding. Creation scientists don't."

OKay the easiest way to do this is just ask these questions in a list:

1.Isn't the church rich enough to fund its research?

2.What experiments do creation scientists want to do to prove their theories?

3.As there is a separation of church and state then it really isn't down to the govt to pay for creation science is it?

4.Isn't the term Creation scientists an oxymoron?


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 09:55 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by John Matrix
Latest Evidence: Sahelanthropus tchadensis and
The Missing Link That Never Was
I encourage everyone not to close the door of your mind and go through this website:

www.darwinismrefuted.com...



latest? its years out of date, hell the magaizine article that ran the stoiry was 3 years after it was found

try reading somthing a little more uptodate

www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...

The results not only confirm that TM 266-01-60-1 is a hominid but also reveal a unique mosaic of characters. The TM 266-01-60-1 reconstruction shares many primitive features with chimpanzees but overall is most similar to Australopithecus,
www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...

umm so its a bit like chimps and a bit like early humans ancestors(Australopithecus) but has been shown to be running along side rather then fill the gap

im sorry i thought this proved human evolution wrong not supported it further?

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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 10:21 AM by John Matrix
reply to post by noobfun



I'm not going to reply to any of your specific replies because your replies don't make any sense.

The molecule known as DNA, which is found in the nucleus of each of the 100 trillion cells in our bodies, contains the complete blueprint for the construction of the human body. The information regarding all the characteristics of a person, from physical appearance to the structure of the inner organs, is recorded in DNA within the sequence of four special bases that make up the giant molecule. These bases are known as A, T, G, and C, according to the initial letters of their names. All the structural differences among people depend on variations in the sequences of these letters. In addition to features such as height, and eye, hair and skin colors, the DNA in a single cell also contains the design of the 206 bones, the 600 muscles, the 100 billion nerve cells (neurons), 1.000 trillion connections between the neurons of the brain, 97,000 kilometers of veins, and the 100 trillion cells of the human body. If we were to write down the information coded in DNA, then we would have to compile a giant library consisting of 900 volumes of 500 pages each. But the information this enormous library would hold is encoded inside the DNA molecules in the cell nucleus, which is far smaller than the 1/100th-of-a-millimeter-long cell itself.

Evolution is a "blind faith" based system for explaining life on earth from it's origin to this present day. The mathematical probability for one living cell to have come into existence (over any period of time) as a result of non living particles coming together is utterly absurd....A single human cell is more complex than the space shuttle.....which makes evolution even more absurd.

Evolution is a conspiracy and a fraud. But the spoon fed masses are too close minded and far too lazy to do their own research so they blindly put their faith in it and in the scientists that keep the conspiracy alive in order to collect their gov. funding.

Intelligent design is evident throughout the universe. It takes very little faith to accept that there is a designer/creator behind life on earth.


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 10:48 AM by Yoda411
Originally posted by John Matrix
Evolution is a "blind faith" based system for explaining life on earth from it's origin to this present day. The mathematical probability for one living cell to have come into existence (over any period of time) as a result of non living particles coming together is utterly absurd....A single human cell is more complex than the space shuttle.....which makes evolution even more absurd.

Evolution is a conspiracy and a fraud. But the spoon fed masses are too close minded and far too lazy to do their own research so they blindly put their faith in it and in the scientists that keep the conspiracy alive in order to collect their gov. funding.


I'm sorry but I have to stop you right there.

Evolution is not "blind faith" because it has been consistently supported by many different unrelated scientific experiments using a huge variety of methods. If one of these experiments proved otherwise, the theory would not be known as scientific fact - which it is today.

As for the reason why a single cell is more complex than the space shuttle - that doesn't prove an intelligent designer. That proves the absolute power and obscurity of nature.

Do you really think I'm too lazy to do my own research? I mean really, do you think I was just fed this and I instantly bought it? No. I asked the important questions to both sides of the table. When I questioned the Christian Church how they know the Bible is true, their evidence was simply 'faith'. You can imagine when I asked a molecular scientist how they know Evolution is true, they provided evidence as you would be required to in order to prove the argument in a court of law.

As for Evolution being a conspiracy and a fraud, when is the last time an Evolutionist came knocking on your door asking for donations?

The Catholic Church expects 10% of your entire paycheck to "repent your sins".

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