Evolution is Science, Creationists Delusional, page 19
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reply posted on 6-1-2011 @ 10:38 PM by Hoskizaki
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Originally posted by MEAT10AF


It takes a only a brief look at history to see that humanity alone should not be trusted.

I find teachings that are said to be based off of the words of those from far beyond the Earth to be much more trustworthy than those of a civilization that is frankly, still quite ignorant of what's actually out there.



"Said" to be based off the words of those from far beyond Earth? How do you know the words came from far beyond the earth? Because a fundamentally untrustworthy human TOLD you they did and you believed them? I agree with you that mankind can be dishonest, manipulative, exploitative, confused and uninformed (as well as many other things), this is why I tend not to believe people when they tell me an angel appeared to them in a vision and told them the world was going to end etc. This is also why I find the Bible hard to swallow. No-one out there can deny that the books of the Bible were penned by human beings. So if humanity should not be trusted surely you can't expect those who authored these scriptures to have done an honest job of it? I certainly don't.
The difference with science is that scientists offer up evidence to substantiate their claims. You can either agree with their conclusions or not, but you will also need to substantiate your objections too, not just claim that it's all just some anti Christian conspiracy.
Science does change, and maybe we are too sure of ourselves sometimes. But we are learning more and more all the time. The evidence for evolution is building everyday, and the only evidence its opponents have are the ever decreasing 'gaps'. Just because theories change doesn’t even necessarily mean they’re fundamentally wrong either. Developments in science can simply make calculations and predictions increasingly accurate – they rarely necessitate a complete paradigm shift.
Modern science may still be in relative infancy but look how far it’s taken us, even in the last fifty years. What has religion given you? A vague and occasional sense of purpose and belonging? Science has given us electric guitars and internet pornography dude. Internet pornography.
You also made the mistake of referring to religion as solid. Well, whilst the text in the writings may have remained unchanged their interpretations have been anything but solid. Even today people can’t agree on which parts of the Bible are intended to be literal and which are allegory. There is no universal consensus amongst Christians as to how to get into heaven and avoid hell. There’s even disagreement amongst Christians as to whether hell even exists. Science has forced religion to abandon the assumption that the sun revolves around the earth, and modern morality tends to consider public stonings to be a bit unjustified and barbaric. There are plenty of other examples but I think these are sufficient to make a point.
If you're going to refer to the ignorance of our civilisation you'd do well to remember that that includes you too dude. And me


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:07 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Iason321
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Did you read anything I said in my post?


Yes. If you want to I can trash it more, e.g.

Originally posted by Iason321
trying to imagine how the first baby apes and first baby humans survived, without anyone or any being help them, are pretty outrageous.

What happened to the parents of the first baby apes and baby humans?


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:09 AM by Iason321
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And how did the parents come to be?

Did the laws of physics just magically spring them into existence?

I can do this all day, and you will not win.

you will NEVER prove to me that Evolution was a random process that happened with no guidance from our Creator, YHVH.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:12 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Iason321
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And how did the parents come to be?

Did the laws of physics just magically spring them into existence?

No. Their respected mothers obviously gave birth to them. Doh.



reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:19 AM by Iason321
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Wow dude,

I guess what I'm proposing to you is way over your head.

Nevermind.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:20 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Iason321
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Wow dude,

I guess what I'm proposing to you is way over your head.

Nevermind.

No, please continue. I insist. I want to see just how clueless you are about the modern synthesis and science in general. Why did you think that the "first baby apes and humans" didn't have parents?
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reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:26 AM by Iason321
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I don't know smart one,

why don't you explain it to me in detail

Also, tell me, Mr. Omniscient one, what caused the Big Bang and where did the first molecules come from? Where did matter come from? The big bang? Well what caused the big bang?

Oh, and while you're at it, tell me what drives the universe? Why am I conscious right now? What is driving the physical laws of our universe? Is physics causing physics to exist? Is being causing being to exist? Did the laws of the universe create themselves, and govern themselves?

You can't answer these questions, netiehr could Albert Einstein, or Stephen Hawking, or Charles Darwin,

If you say you can, or you do know, you are proving your ignorance.

Cmon, lets keep this going.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 10:39 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Iason321
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post by rhinoceros



I don't know smart one,

why don't you explain it to me in detail

How should I know why you thought that the "first baby apes and humans" didn't have parents?


Also, tell me, Mr. Omniscient one, what caused the Big Bang and where did the first molecules come from? Where did matter come from? The big bang? Well what caused the big bang?

I'm not a physicist, but I enjoy related documentaries. As far as I have understood, the big bang might have been the result of two branes colliding in higher-dimensional space. Matter is energy, so that obviously came from this hypothesized collision. Notice that this stuff is not related to evolution in any way.


Oh, and while you're at it, tell me what drives the universe? Why am I conscious right now? What is driving the physical laws of our universe? Is physics causing physics to exist? Is being causing being to exist? Did the laws of the universe create themselves, and govern themselves?

Consciousness is an emergent property of the human brain. I don't know about the laws of physics and their origin, but again, these are not related to evolution in any way.


If you say you can, or you do know, you are proving your ignorance.

You definitely proved your ignorance when you revealed that you though that the "first baby apes and humans" didn't have parents.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 11:11 AM by Iason321
reply to post by rhinoceros



You didn't answer anything,

And I know abiogenesis and the origins of the universe are not technically part of evolution, but they are common beliefs of people who subscribe to darwins theory of evolution,

Why don't you go read the thread I just made?


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 11:16 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Iason321
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And I know abiogenesis and the origins of the universe are not technically part of evolution, but they are common beliefs of people who subscribe to darwins theory of evolution,

Abiogenesis and the origins of the universe are NOT parts of the theory of evolution, and in this day and age, I doubt you will find many people who subscribe to Darwin's flawed (brilliant for its time) theory of evolution, which has not been taught at schools for over a century. Further still, evolution (modern synthesis) is not only a theory, but also an observed phenomenon, i.e. modern synthesis attempts to explain the phenomenon of evolution.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 11:19 AM by Iason321
reply to post by rhinoceros



I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

We are on the same page....sort of.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 05:31 PM by Barcs
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Read a book on evolution before saying such blatant ignorance. How did the first baby ape get here? Like are you even serious? You can't be. Learn what a scientific theory is and try actually learning about it before talking about stuff you obviously have no clue about
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