Originally posted by Sliick
ummm.....wow. just wow. we went from sumeria being the birthplace of civilization 6000 years old, to 2 million year old artifacts in a cave.

I'm thinking Homonoids, not Homosapiens. I don't think we ran around for almost 2 million years without thinking of building a city.

GREAT FIND!!!!

Data Rejection: Inconvenient Dating in Mexico

Then there is the high-profile case of Dr Virginia Steen-McIntyre,
a geologist working for the US Geological Survey (USGS), who was dispatched to an
archaeological site in Mexico to date a group of artifacts in the 1970s. This travesty
also illustrates how far established scientists will go to guard orthodox tenets.

McIntyre used state-of-the-art equipment and backed up her results by using four different methods, but
her results were off the chart. The lead archaeologist expected a date of 25,000 years or less, and the
geologist's finding was 250,000 years or more.

The figure of 25,000 years or less was critical to the Bering Strait "crossing" theory, and it was the
motivation behind the head archaeologist's tossing Steen-McIntyre's results in the circular file and asking
for a new series of dating tests. This sort of reaction does not occur when dates match the expected
chronological model that supports accepted theories.

Steen-McIntyre was given a chance to retract her conclusions, but she refused. She found it hard
thereafter to get her papers published and she lost a teaching job at an American university.

Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp-South Africa, where some of the spheres are housed, explains: ‘The spheres are a complete mystery. They look man-made, yet at the time in Earth's history when they came to rest in this rock no intelligent life existed’.

These South African grooved spheres…were found in mineral deposits, 2.8 billion years old. So, who/what manufactured them? What intelligent beings/advanced civilization/or ‘Outer Space Visitors’ are responsible?

At least 200 of these Spheroids have been found…extracted out of deep rock at the Wonderstone Silver Mine in South Africa. On average…they are 1-4 inches in diameter, AND COMPOSED OF A NICKEL-STEEL ALLOY THAT DOESN'T OCCUR NATURALLY.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Modern man is about 10,000 years old, so 2 million would be more like monkeys. I highly doubt our early ancestors would have the ability to communicate with pictures, have tools, or even fire. If they were able to do all that then what the hell have we been doing these past 2 million years?

People have no concept just what 2 million years means in evolution terms, and so they will throw around millions of years as if they were a mere ten thousand.


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Human mitochondrial DNA (inherited only from one's mother) and Y chromosome DNA (from one's father) show coalescence at around 140,000 and 60,000 years ago respectively. In other words, all living humans' female line ancestry trace back to a single female (Mitochondrial Eve) at around 140,000 years ago. Via the male line, all humans can trace their ancestry back to a single male (Y-chromosomal Adam) at around 60,000 years ago.[2]

However, such coalescence is genetically expected and does not, in itself, indicate a population bottleneck, because mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome are only a small part of the entire genome, and are atypical in that they are inherited exclusively through the mother or through the father, respectively. Most genes in the genome are inherited from either father or mother, thus can be traced back in time via either matrilinear or patrilinear ancestry.[3] Research on many (but not necessarily most) genes find different coalescence points from 2 million years ago to 0 years ago when different genes are considered, thus disproving the existence of more recent extreme bottlenecks (i.e. a single breeding pair).[4][5]

This is consistent with the Toba catastrophe theory which suggests that a bottleneck of the human population occurred c. 70,000 years ago, proposing that the human population was reduced to c.15,000 individuals[5] when the Toba supervolcano in Indonesia erupted and triggered a major environmental change. The theory is based on geological evidences of sudden climate change, and on coalescence evidences of some genes (including mitochondrial DNA, Y-chromosome and some nuclear genes)[6] and the relatively low level of genetic variation with humans.[5]

Originally posted by constantwonder

Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp-South Africa, where some of the spheres are housed, explains: ‘The spheres are a complete mystery. They look man-made, yet at the time in Earth's history when they came to rest in this rock no intelligent life existed’.

These South African grooved spheres…were found in mineral deposits, 2.8 billion years old. So, who/what manufactured them? What intelligent beings/advanced civilization/or ‘Outer Space Visitors’ are responsible?

At least 200 of these Spheroids have been found…extracted out of deep rock at the Wonderstone Silver Mine in South Africa. On average…they are 1-4 inches in diameter, AND COMPOSED OF A NICKEL-STEEL ALLOY THAT DOESN'T OCCUR NATURALLY.

Petrographic and X-Ray diffraction analyses of specimens of these objects Heinrich[10][11] found that they consist either of hematite (Fe2O3) or wollastonite (CaSiO3) mixed with minor amounts of hematite and goethite (FeOOH). Observations by Cairncross[8] and Nel and others[12] indicated that many of the Klerksdorp "Spheres" found in unaltered pyrophyllite consist of pyrite (FeS2).

Geologists[8][9][10][11], agree that the Klerksdorp "Spheres" originated as concretions, which formed in volcanic sediments, ash, or both, after they accumulated 3.0 billion years ago. Heinrich[10][11] argues that the wollastonite nodules formed by the metamorphism of carbonate concretions in the presence of silica-rich fluids generated during the metamorphism of the volcanic deposits containing them into pyrophyllite. It was also argued that the hematite nodules represent pyrite concretions oxidized by weathering of near surface pyrophyllite deposits.

Additionally, Roelf Marx, as quoted in Cairncross[8] and Pope and Cairncross[16], former curator of the Klerksdorp Museum, reports that he was misquoted in regards to these objects.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Modern man is about 10,000 years old, so 2 million would be more like monkeys.

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