Originally posted by xbranscombex
2,000,000 years?

So I guess the Bible is wrong then?

Is that a trick question?

Originally posted by daddyroo45
This news is exciting to say the least.Archeology has mislead us for years,while hiding the artifacts that don't fit their narrow explanations of origins.
I await the photos with great anticipation.

How has archaeology misled you?

Is it just me or am I not getting what is so sensational to all of you about this find. Yes, so it may put the use of tools some few thousand years back than we thought... a few thousand years, when the time range is 2 million years, isn't that GREAT of a deal.
Anyway, as always, every find in archaeology makes the whole picture in the puzzle of human history more complete.

Originally posted by Swatman
Dinosaurs are said to be 165 million years old. If we can find their bones in the sand dont you think we would have found some *advanced* civilization by now that went missing millions of years ago?????

Actually we have found very advanced beings that lived here millions and hundreds of thousands of years ago. The hominids. Yup, our ancestors.
Do you know what a huge leap from the rest of the creatures on Earth it was to walk upright, discover how to make a fire, learn how to make and use tools, learn that if they stayed together in bands and had a division of labor their odds of survival would be greater?

I call that amazingly advanced.

I've called the McGregor Museum in Kimberley who oversee the digs in the area - I was hard to get hold of anybody in the Archaeology Department as they are all on site or on summer vacation, but I did speak to a staff member who said that more info will be available early next year - ill keep at it

Originally posted by JoeBarna
Regardless, most excellent find OP!

I'm relatively new to this site, so forgive me if I repeat what some of you have been saying for a while. Too many bits of evidence are out there (but for some reason ignored) that prove an advanced knowledge existed well before the time we recognize as the birth of civilization.

I read about the foundation stones of Baalbek within the past year. That alone shattered my previous belief system.

Posts such as this one are helping me regain a foothold. Thank you!

Joe,

Since you're new here, you probably haven't had much chance to look around.

I suggest you use the search function here on any of these "bits of evidence" that you believe indicate any advanced knowledge in ancient times.

I believe you'll find that in fact, they indicate no such thing.

For example, the foundation at Baalbek was installed by the Romans.

Originally posted by captiva
NWO conspiracy stuff....lets wait to see whats found. If its 2 million years old I guess that in itself debunks a lot of what we already believe to be true !
respects

Actually, no. Any ancient precursor to Homo Sapiens that has the designation "Homo" is rightly referred to as human.

H. Sapiens did not occupy this cave.

Originally posted by wolf241e
I wonder if , with this find, they are going to finally reevaluate the time fame for people on this planet.

Not likely, since this find fits quite well into the current timeline.

Originally posted by wolf241eThe six to eight thousand year notion seems to be fading fast.

You must be talking about the timeline for civilization here.

What has that got to do with a cave and the artifacts left in it by a subspecies of Homo Erectus?

Originally posted by serbsta
Im also intrigued as to how they actually concluded the age of 2,000,000 when C14-dating is supposed to be limited to 45,000 (my science teacher, correct if im wrong).

I'm puzzled about why this intrigues you. The information about what dating methods could be used has already been posted twice in this thread.

Originally posted by Saidar
Until scientists develop a RELIABLE and ACCURATE method of dating stuff, I won't believe any date stamped upon anything. Carbon dating, like you people said only works for about 50 000 years. All the other dating methods can't and never will be accurate because too many supernovas has happened close enough to our solar system. That kind of event resets and scrambles the clocks on all radioactive elements.

Saidar,

Please list some of these other dating methods that "can't and never will be accurate..."

My bet is that you're not even aware of a single other method.

If you were, you'd know that several methods don't even rely on any radioactive material at all.

Originally posted by SaidarAnd cmon people imagine yourself how long 2 million years is. My steel hammer got destroyed in 10 years by oxidation. What makes you think any artifact will survive for 2 million years? Even if it gets petrified the odds or staggering

Do you, by chance, possess a stone hammer?

Why don't you put it in your backyard, sit and stare at it, and get back to us when it deteriorates away into nothing.

Harte

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Howdy Harte

Do you, by chance, possess a stone hammer?

I do, I do!

Well I do and it looks pretty much like other rocks - rather nicely made thou, made out of felsic and 16 centimeters in lenght. Pick it up as a surface find in the discarded debris of an early work done on a Bronze age site near the Ebla site at Tell Mardikh.

And it doesn't look a day over 50,000

Please stay on topic...

Some of you may have noticed I've been busy with the skittles. As I keep posting, we have wonderful threads on all the other topic drift here.

Let's keep this one to "what they found in a cave in South Africa" and things about the cave and the geology, please.

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With so few human artifacts going back this far, if the dating is accurate, this is an important piece of the very big puzzle of when humans started doing things differently from animals.

The accuracy of the attributed age may be of some concern, no dating given the context is wholly reliable. To put this in context for the anti-science types, police proecdural dating for human remains even only a few days old can also be open to question.

A question that comes out of all this for me, is how intelligent by our standards these early humans might have been. My own inclination would be they were as intelligent as we (some of us) are today, capapble of self-awareness, reflection, etc.

But moving forward in organizing, co-operating, and modifying their own environment had to wait for breakthroughs like the use of tools, agriculture, construction of shelter, etc.

We have seen this in out time when biologically modern men are still functioning on technologically primitive planes in remote parts of the world.
But anthropologists show they have developed amazingly complex systems of inter-relationships and communication.

Unfortunately, looking at the past, we can only exmine pieces of bone, stone, metal, that have been shaped with intention, to give us evidence.



Mike F