Two million year old find!

More and more of these finds keep coming up. Im also intrigued as to how they actually concluded the age of 2,000,000 when C14-dating is supposed to be limited to 45,000 (my science teacher, correct if im wrong). I wonder what conclusions theyll draw up from these finds, surely it puts to bed a lot of what we already believe about our past.

People...

Its only a MATTER OF TIME until a fossilised dinosaur is found with a humanoid inside its belly!

Howdy Daddyroo45

I would point out that it is archaeologists and associated scientists bringing you this data. People have been talking about stone tool for a hundred and fifty years. Since Leakey the interest in them has been intense.

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Egads finding out that the Baalbek stones were Roman did that too you? May I ask what your previous belief system was?

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As stated in the PDF that Harte link to they used other dating methods and not C14.

Oh i see now, thanks for pointing that out.

Well if this is all legit than this site needs to be fully excavated and maybe there are still some kind of remains buried deep below that could help solve who drew/created this.

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Forgot to relink to the Pdf, here you go

PDF

More research based on Wonderwerk cave

researchspace.csir.co.za...


www.sciencemag.org...




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great stuff,
i cant help but read it with a south african accent though...!!!

Thanks for the post.

One unfortunate thing that stands out like a sore thumb here is many pop in, don't read the material or the posts and make some, uuuhm, interesting posts.

For the poster on page one who thinks there were dinosaurs walking around 2 million years ago Of course it is true that birds are the modern ancestors and you may have had dinosaur for dinner lately

For the I Hate Religion Crowd, it is clear that what they are talking about is not Modern Homo Sapiens. If you want to argue your point seriously, pick up a book or two and read them. I see no conflict between evolution and the simple line we were created from the dust and neither does many or most Christians. That whole argument is just silly and the voracity of some statements shows they are simply people who hate so much it clouds their judgment.

Hopefully this won't lead to some running around saying Modern Man and Dinosaurs coexisted

Some light reading on the origins of Modern Humans.

The Wiki on Dinosaurs where you will see that the Dinosaurs faded out about 65 million years ago.

this is a moment that these explorers can have a slight possible chance towards a major politically good event to happen with the world.



Hopefully they make a good decision upon releasing some, if not all of it.

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It is not the maker of the stones, which have been estimated to be at least 6000 years old. It is the size of the largest. They are in the neighborhood of 2000 tons. I could deal with hundreds of slaves moving pyramid stones in Egypt weighing on the average of 20-30 tons, some as large as 70 tons. But stones weighing almost 2000 tons? Can you explain that? I can't. That is what shattered my belief system.

They could be one of four Hominids:
Africanus, Robustus, Habilis, Erectus. Seems they were all kicking about ~ 2 million years ago, which seems like a long time ago, but it's a tiny drop in the ocean of geologic time (4.6 billion years).
Interesting stuff OP.

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This is similar in weight to 3 commercial jets that were lifted 36 feet off the ground. There is absolutely no proof that the Romans were capable of doing this .... none. Some people simply cannot look past their dusty archeology books for more likely possibilities. Find another block in Rome that's similar in size. ...... some of us know what you mean

The only reason the Pyramids are in the condition they are in is due to people removing the casing stones for housing.
And blasting there way into the Pyramids.
Otherwise they would be in almost perfect condition.

But anyway back on topic Thanks OP im waiting eagerly for more info.
S.F.

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There was some bronze age habitation there but they didn't build anything, the stone work is Roman. I believe if you check your find that estimate comes from a unevidenced fringe site.



Hans: The trilithon (which are the ones I'm thinking you're thinking of) weigh around 800 tons, they were moved by the Romans and placed as part of a lower slope retaining wall. The big suckers around 1,000 tons were not completed and not moved.

The largest trilithon stone is aproximately 3.4 meters by 4.5 meters by 19 meters. That comes to 290 cubic meters. If the measurements from sacred sites are right and it is limestone then the stones should be about 696 tons. If it is high density limestone then the stones should be about 841 tons. So a guesestimate of 800 tons is about right - unless someone can get a really big bathroom scale in there....




Hans: No slaves, craftmen backed up by free men



Hans: Well not to worry they didn't move those stones. The Romans had windlass' and used relays of them to move heavy objects.

The heaviest object moved without mechanical help was by the Russians who moved a 1,600 ton piece of red granite several hundred miles for a statue now called the Bronze horseman. The heaviest ancient stone moved was around 1-1,200 tons - the Egyptians did that but not in regards to the pyramids.



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Until scientists develop a RELIABLE and ACCURATE method of dating stuff, I won't believe any date stamped upon anything. Carbon dating, like you people said only works for about 50 000 years. All the other dating methods can't and never will be accurate because too many supernovas has happened close enough to our solar system. That kind of event resets and scrambles the clocks on all radioactive elements.

And cmon people imagine yourself how long 2 million years is. My steel hammer got destroyed in 10 years by oxidation. What makes you think any artifact will survive for 2 million years? Even if it gets petrified the odds or staggering

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We are talking about stone tools, they tend to last, well, like stone.

Sorry no distant supernovas don't 'reset' radioactive materials.

Earth isnt even 2 mill years old, great find though...

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Maybe is said it wrong, not reset but the decaying process can be tampered with, and even more so when the nuclei of atoms are excited by bombardment of solar particles, that are provided by distant super novas. That is a fact. All radioactive dating methods are rendered useless by the fact that the decaying process are not the same through the years.

Please stay on topic, folks!

If you'd like to discuss Baalbek, there are good threads here that go over information... the discussions on both sides are interesting:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you want to discuss stone moving techniques there's those two threads and these:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Let's go back to discussing the South African cave finds and so forth, okay?