Two million year old find!

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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Reddupo

Originally posted by network dude
I am in no way an archiologist or anything remotely close, but I thought carbon dating could only go back like 100,00 years or something. If there is a limit on carbon dating, how is it that we have any idea how old these things are?

The limit acts in the reverse way..

The half life of carbon is around 5700 years, so we can only date things from 5700 years ago and before that. Carbondating isn't good for more recent artifacts.

Sorry, the limit is more like 50,000 years, not 5700 years.

Harte




posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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I'm intrigued how they dated the items, too. There is no way they would be able to use C14 dating. It's max is about 50,000 years. They probably used Uranium 235, but even then, I believe, and I may be wrong, that objects need to be at least 20 million years old, as it's half-life is like 800 million years. I just don't see how they can accurately work out 2 million years for a date.
They can't use the rock, as it is strata composed of eroded dolomite; which may be from the African craton. So all they will get there is the age of when the dolomite was formed. They may be using the intrusion into the stratigraphy to relatively age-date, but it seems more likely they are guessing, if you ask me.

edit: I can only asume they have somehow relatively age dated the cave, and whopped that figure on whatever it was that lived there.

edit 2: That whole area is very interesting, geologically. They have fossillised cyanobacteria with a definite date of 2.7 billion years, in the Campbell Rand sub-group, which is where this cave is.
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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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The vatican's loyal have a decent ability in regards to pretending things didn't happen without the attention drawn through a coverup.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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Very good stuff. I noted the preserved grass bed over 400,000 years old and the first use of fire nearly 1 million years ago. Great



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by cruzion
I'm intrigued how they dated the items, too. There is no way they would be able to use C14 dating. It's max is about 50,000 years. They probably used Uranium 235, but even then, I believe, and I may be wrong, that objects need to be at least 20 million years old, as it's half-life is like 800 million years. I just don't see how they can accurately work out 2 million years for a date.
They can't use the rock, as it is strata composed of eroded dolomite; which may be from the African craton. So all they will get there is the age of when the dolomite was formed. They may be using the intrusion into the stratigraphy to relatively age-date, but it seems more likely they are guessing, if you ask me.

edit: I can only asume they have somehow relatively age dated the cave, and whopped that figure on whatever it was that lived there.

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Cruzion,

I linked to the likeliest method on page one of this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

HJarte



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 05:05 PM
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Yeah, I just read that; very interesting stuff.
So is there 2 million year old fired pottery in this cave?!?



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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I believe they are talking about stone tools



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by cruzion
I'm intrigued how they dated the items, too. There is no way they would be able to use C14 dating. It's max is about 50,000 years. They probably used Uranium 235, but even then, I believe, and I may be wrong, that objects need to be at least 20 million years old, as it's half-life is like 800 million years. I just don't see how they can accurately work out 2 million years for a date.
They can't use the rock, as it is strata composed of eroded dolomite; which may be from the African craton. So all they will get there is the age of when the dolomite was formed. They may be using the intrusion into the stratigraphy to relatively age-date, but it seems more likely they are guessing, if you ask me.


If a find is very unusual they will use more than one method of dating it. In this case, at least one technique used would have been the potassium-argon radiometric dating. You can also date by the freshness of an edge break on a stone (the "luminescence" of that surface is different than an unbroken edge).

Most sites are in use for awhile, so they will have a range of artifacts in the location that were buried over (say) a 100-500 year span. The range that's given will have about a 4% error... so at 100,000 years it will be "give or take 4,000 years".

They're not going to guess on this stuff. Hominid paleontology is one of THE most cut-throat academic studies in the world. At least one paleontologist reported another to the local authorities, saying that the man and his team were "probably spies"... which got them kicked out of the country and the Nasty Academic had the field all to himself. So it will be checked and rechecked and if there's the least bit wrong with the date, one of their competitors is going to come out very quickly and smack them down for their sloppiness.

Let's wait and see.

On the bright side, more material of this age is showing up. On the down side, there don't seem to be any bones (darn it) so we don't know which of the human species it was. It's a good bet that it isn't homo sapiens... Australopithecus is in the running, as is (if memory serves), homo erectus.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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ill keep an eye out for any articles if i find them. but thanks for the heads up. interesting find.

sounds to me like carbon dating doesnt go back that far huh, well 2 million years will work for me, interesting in deed.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Regardless, most excellent find OP!

I'm relatively new to this site, so forgive me if I repeat what some of you have been saying for a while. Too many bits of evidence are out there (but for some reason ignored) that prove an advanced knowledge existed well before the time we recognize as the birth of civilization.

I read about the foundation stones of Baalbek within the past year. That alone shattered my previous belief system.

Posts such as this one are helping me regain a foothold. Thank you!



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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I love to hear about this kind of thing !!

I cant wait to see some pictures !



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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I love these types of finds... it almost makes me wish I had become an archeologist!

Seriously, nice find.

To me, this is further proof of how old humans are. I am on the belief that we have been around for a while, and were technically more advanced than we are now. I think that man has reached its max many times in the past and then have had to rebuild themselves back to that point for whatever reason. There are just so many unexplained artifacts and architecture to think that we are now at the highest point man has been.

Anyway, great stuff!



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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Read somewhere, probably in here, that part of the big picture plan is for there to be some artifact that dissproves everything we believe to be true about our origins and especially religion. NWO conspiracy stuff....lets wait to see whats found. If its 2 million years old I guess that in itself debunks a lot of what we already believe to be true !

respects



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by ConservativeJack
you guys really believe this?

2. 0 0 0 . 0 0 0 year old tools?


They are stone tools. Are there stones on this planet 2mil yrs old and older?....I would think so considering the planet itself is 6bil yrs old give or take a mil or two.


Originally posted by ConservativeJack
like, paintings that stay on a wall for 2,000,000 years?


They didnt use paint you get at wal mart that fades in 1 year.


Originally posted by ConservativeJack
LOL!!!!!


Ya my exact reaction to the closed minded. LOL!




Cheers!!!!

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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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This news is exciting to say the least.Archeology has mislead us for years,while hiding the artifacts that don't fit their narrow explanations of origins.
I await the photos with great anticipation.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Thank you for the linky Dirk Gently.

Looks like a good read



regards to you and yours for the holiday season
res



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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Hey there twodee, great find!!

I wonder if , with this find, they are going to finally reevaluate the time fame for people on this planet.

The six to eight thousand year notion seems to be fading fast.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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I call BS on this. Seems the more you read into it, the more tangled the stories get. Seems like a grab for some quick fame.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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maybe someone can get a copy of the pics of the 30 artifacts or get a letter from one of the archeologist telling more about their findings. that would be really great.





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