Kinda off subject. But this thread was started by me so TECHNICALLY I can do whatever I want in it provided it's within reason...
BUT ANYWAYS.
What I was going to say is people all over this thread are talking about drugs left and right. I am in favor of legalizing pot. I am NOT a pot-smoker
nor am I alcohol drinker. I do smoke. Mostly Davidoff cigarettes imported from Ukraine. And I'm going to smoke as many of those as I can before some
*%$#-sucker bans that too.
My point is what everybody is already saying. Somebody made a snide remark "War on Americans" which was what he/she was referring to as the war on
drugs. As much of a hard-line conservative I identify myself as? I agree with them on this.
Again, approximately five point six times out of ten the war on drugs is a massive joke. And in essence it can be perceived as a war against
Americans. And for what purpose? Capital. It's a cheap way to make an extra buck without too much effort put into it's process.
Look at alcohol. Alcohol use to be illegal in the 20's to early 30's. Is it still illegal? No. Am I an alcohol drinker because alcohol is legal? NO!
Same goes for pot? Am I pot smoker? NO! And I have a spotless criminal record. Not even a traffic violation. I am an example of what results from good
parenting. Talking to your children every day about the good, the bad, and the ugly. And what they can and should do to avoid it.
While Slick Willy (Bill Clinton) was president he sent crop dusters to Columbia to sprinkle herbicide on their cocaine crops. Guess what? It was a
quick fix which did the exact opposite of what it was intended to do. Production rose by a quarter.
You're only treating the symptoms. Don't do that. Treat the disease. I read in a gun magazine article marketed to law enforcement personnel covering
this same topic about drugs and prison overcrowding. It mentioned that "We have to stop thinking in terms of throwing in the towel on our moral
standards. And start thinking in terms of reducing crime.
This is how you keep innocent people out of jail and relieve the overcrowding so you can have room to house more heinous offenders like rapists and
child molesters and murderers.
Crime is the disease. The contraband itself is not the disease. It's only a symptom. You don't treat the symptoms. By treating the symptoms your
only cutting off one head and for every one you cut off five more show up.
You don't treat the symptoms. You treat the disease.
[edit on 12/18/08 by Marked One]
Making inmates pay for food, page 5
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reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 04:55 PM by Yoda411
reply to post by Marked One
How are they going to pay for their food? Sell more drugs? Make more hits? Call more shots on the outside? That will teach them not to break the law.
How are they going to pay for their food? Sell more drugs? Make more hits? Call more shots on the outside? That will teach them not to break the law.
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 05:17 PM by fmcanarney
reply to post by tezzajw
The constitution of the USA states that involuntary servitude is unconstitutional unless it is a consequence of conviction of a crime.
glad they make them participate in involuntary servitude.
seems the majority of US citizens do as well. it is the law of the land.
The constitution of the USA states that involuntary servitude is unconstitutional unless it is a consequence of conviction of a crime.
U.S. Constitution: Thirteenth Amendment
U.S. Constitution: Thirteenth Amendment
Thirteenth Amendment - Slavery And Involuntary Servitude
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
glad they make them participate in involuntary servitude.
seems the majority of US citizens do as well. it is the law of the land.
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 06:29 PM by devildogUSMC
reply to post by pexx421
I just got out of jail. I was there for three months. It was horrible. I got out of the Marine Corp. about four years ago. I'm 26 now, and my plan was to use my G.I. bill to go to college.
About a month after being in combat in another country, I find myself drunk and alone in a bar in my hometown. I felt like I was one of the "good guys" at that point. I served my country honorably and was on my way to get an education. I got in a fight at that bar that night. I didn't start it but I instinctivly finished it. Broke the man's arm, and choked the #@## out of him.
I eagerly awaited for the police to arrive so I could tell them what happened and go home to sleep. I didn't know his arm was broken and was used to fighting all the time in the Corp., so it didn't seem like a big deal. The police got there and arrested me. I had to plea guilty to a felony assault charge to get probation instead of jail. I also got massive fines and restitution to pay.
I couldn't pay. It was too much. So they finally said that I violated my probation, and I had to go back to court. I went to court; they asked me to pay; I couldn't pay what they demanded and I was sentenced to a period of five months in the county jail. I did three. It was terrible. I did not feel like I belonged there; I was one of the "good guys", so why was I there?
Because the government had an opportunity to make money, and I ruined it by not giving it to them, that's why. They want money. They print it, send it out, and then try to get it all back. It's a sick little game that they take very seriously.
Now I am unemployed, with no vehicle (I had to sell it to pay them), I am no longer going to college because I won't be able to get a job that requires a degree with a felony on my record, and I do not have a place to call home. Luckily I have a wonderful girl and wonderful friends who let me stay with them. But no home.
I no longer feel like a "good guy". I feel like the scum of the Earth. I have an intense hatred toward the government and the police. I have so much potential and I am being held down by the record they gave me.
The government used me and then ruined my life. I killed for them and they ruined me. I used to have the best intentions and always did the next right thing. I'm not "me" anymore. They won't let me be. They don't care about "ANYTHING'' but money. Not me, not you, not the constitution or our country. Just MONEY.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by devildogUSMC]
I just got out of jail. I was there for three months. It was horrible. I got out of the Marine Corp. about four years ago. I'm 26 now, and my plan was to use my G.I. bill to go to college.
About a month after being in combat in another country, I find myself drunk and alone in a bar in my hometown. I felt like I was one of the "good guys" at that point. I served my country honorably and was on my way to get an education. I got in a fight at that bar that night. I didn't start it but I instinctivly finished it. Broke the man's arm, and choked the #@## out of him.
I eagerly awaited for the police to arrive so I could tell them what happened and go home to sleep. I didn't know his arm was broken and was used to fighting all the time in the Corp., so it didn't seem like a big deal. The police got there and arrested me. I had to plea guilty to a felony assault charge to get probation instead of jail. I also got massive fines and restitution to pay.
I couldn't pay. It was too much. So they finally said that I violated my probation, and I had to go back to court. I went to court; they asked me to pay; I couldn't pay what they demanded and I was sentenced to a period of five months in the county jail. I did three. It was terrible. I did not feel like I belonged there; I was one of the "good guys", so why was I there?
Because the government had an opportunity to make money, and I ruined it by not giving it to them, that's why. They want money. They print it, send it out, and then try to get it all back. It's a sick little game that they take very seriously.
Now I am unemployed, with no vehicle (I had to sell it to pay them), I am no longer going to college because I won't be able to get a job that requires a degree with a felony on my record, and I do not have a place to call home. Luckily I have a wonderful girl and wonderful friends who let me stay with them. But no home.
I no longer feel like a "good guy". I feel like the scum of the Earth. I have an intense hatred toward the government and the police. I have so much potential and I am being held down by the record they gave me.
The government used me and then ruined my life. I killed for them and they ruined me. I used to have the best intentions and always did the next right thing. I'm not "me" anymore. They won't let me be. They don't care about "ANYTHING'' but money. Not me, not you, not the constitution or our country. Just MONEY.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by devildogUSMC]
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Marked One
The Government spends hundreds of millions of dollars trying to maintain the 'Drug War' and punish offenders. Drugs and actions taken by those on drugs should be on the law enforcement radar. Marijuana is less addictive and causes less violent tendencies in users. Mexican criminals are killing each other for the most lucrative trade routes and killing civilians and police. The marijuana drug trade is a multi-billion dollar industry that could be stopped by legalizing the plant and it's use. The taxes on marijuana alone would bring billions into the economy, release hundreds of thousands non-violent drug offenders and the influx of criminal immigrants carrying bricks of marijuana as well as their boss's will be out of jobs.
The Government spends hundreds of millions of dollars trying to maintain the 'Drug War' and punish offenders. Drugs and actions taken by those on drugs should be on the law enforcement radar. Marijuana is less addictive and causes less violent tendencies in users. Mexican criminals are killing each other for the most lucrative trade routes and killing civilians and police. The marijuana drug trade is a multi-billion dollar industry that could be stopped by legalizing the plant and it's use. The taxes on marijuana alone would bring billions into the economy, release hundreds of thousands non-violent drug offenders and the influx of criminal immigrants carrying bricks of marijuana as well as their boss's will be out of jobs.
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 08:41 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by Simplynoone
This sounds good in principle, but the logistics involved in a secure treatment center are tough, (1) the person has to be willing to accept the program, they will not surrender the addiction unless they are.(2) the person has to be employable and willing to work. Employment is a big part of being self sufficient as well as a crucial component to any community corrections or community treatment program as most of them if not all generate some of their basic operating costs from 'fees" taken from paychecks of people in the program.(3) The programs still have to adhere to local and federal laws in that I mean that some people in that given scenario are prone to relapse as that is part of recovery, they are subject to the same laws as everyone else they have no immunity so if they are found to have used drugs that would in turn violate the parole or probation and thus send them back to jail or prison repeating the cycle and adding to the recidivism rate which is what states use to evaluate the success rate of programs like this. Here's the problem with that, some of these contract facilities will actually "cover up" dirty UA results so as to avoid the loss of funding because if most of their "clients" are still using then the program doesn't work and will be shut down.You cannot lock people in that setting and expect results that is what jail and prison are for, I'm not all together disagreeing with you but I think that all of the supporters of abolishing mandatory minimum sentences for drug related offences should attempt some homework on the subject before being so critical of the lawyers and judges.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by alyosha1981]
Send the druggies,drunks etc to a REHABILITATION center for approx 1 year ...on lock down ..being taught self esteem...etc etc etc
This sounds good in principle, but the logistics involved in a secure treatment center are tough, (1) the person has to be willing to accept the program, they will not surrender the addiction unless they are.(2) the person has to be employable and willing to work. Employment is a big part of being self sufficient as well as a crucial component to any community corrections or community treatment program as most of them if not all generate some of their basic operating costs from 'fees" taken from paychecks of people in the program.(3) The programs still have to adhere to local and federal laws in that I mean that some people in that given scenario are prone to relapse as that is part of recovery, they are subject to the same laws as everyone else they have no immunity so if they are found to have used drugs that would in turn violate the parole or probation and thus send them back to jail or prison repeating the cycle and adding to the recidivism rate which is what states use to evaluate the success rate of programs like this. Here's the problem with that, some of these contract facilities will actually "cover up" dirty UA results so as to avoid the loss of funding because if most of their "clients" are still using then the program doesn't work and will be shut down.You cannot lock people in that setting and expect results that is what jail and prison are for, I'm not all together disagreeing with you but I think that all of the supporters of abolishing mandatory minimum sentences for drug related offences should attempt some homework on the subject before being so critical of the lawyers and judges.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by alyosha1981]
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:03 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by alyosha1981
Most facilities do just that it's call a security classification and the basic principle for a lower class is violence. If a newly arrived inmate has any( and I mean any) violent charges on their record then that disqualifies them from a lower security setting and most times they will go to "gen pop" while some probably succumb to the "big dog's" a great majority actually do not. There exists in every state and county facility the option for one to be segregated for their own protection and most times if the situation warrants this will be granted. As far as the big picture, county jails are like a bus station with lots and lots of people all going somewhere, the problem you can't always tell the "rougher ones" from the "average" joe just by current charge(s) alone thus don't always know right away where their "going" in terms of the legal process. A bad check writer for example may only be there for a few hours or at most overnight, unless they cant afford bond, in that case they're just placed in a general holding area until they go to court and probably released afterwords with maybe some probation time and the expectation that they pay back any money owed and without saying hopefully the stay will deter from future fraudulent check writing. As far as classes go they do offer and sometimes make mandatory classes for some offences and the responsibility of attending and completion lies on the offender.
Sorry not targeting you as I feel you have some valid opinions but on the last quote, not good because part of sentencing involves prior convictions and as such a first time offender is given a lighter sentence then a three time offender this would only work if there was a way to know for certain that a person would not re offend and that is just not possible. As far as the future of a convicted felon.. well that is up to the individual I know that gaining employment post felony conviction is hard but there are plenty of companies willing to give second chances, in fact one can even run for public office with a felony conviction.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by alyosha1981]
Maybe when someone comes into the prison systems they should at least be watched and see what kind of people they are ..and if they are harmless and innocent like ..(a check writer)or (pot head) or just an average Joe who could not pay a speeding ticket .....they should at least be seperated from the ROUGHER ones in there .......and do something to help them while they are there ..(Classes ..work ...something) ....that will make sure they have some skills or something for when they get out ..
Most facilities do just that it's call a security classification and the basic principle for a lower class is violence. If a newly arrived inmate has any( and I mean any) violent charges on their record then that disqualifies them from a lower security setting and most times they will go to "gen pop" while some probably succumb to the "big dog's" a great majority actually do not. There exists in every state and county facility the option for one to be segregated for their own protection and most times if the situation warrants this will be granted. As far as the big picture, county jails are like a bus station with lots and lots of people all going somewhere, the problem you can't always tell the "rougher ones" from the "average" joe just by current charge(s) alone thus don't always know right away where their "going" in terms of the legal process. A bad check writer for example may only be there for a few hours or at most overnight, unless they cant afford bond, in that case they're just placed in a general holding area until they go to court and probably released afterwords with maybe some probation time and the expectation that they pay back any money owed and without saying hopefully the stay will deter from future fraudulent check writing. As far as classes go they do offer and sometimes make mandatory classes for some offences and the responsibility of attending and completion lies on the offender.
And ALL crimes should be EXPUNGED once they serve their times ..(except for the really violent crimes).......why should they be punished the rest of their lives for something they already did their time for ?
Sorry not targeting you as I feel you have some valid opinions but on the last quote, not good because part of sentencing involves prior convictions and as such a first time offender is given a lighter sentence then a three time offender this would only work if there was a way to know for certain that a person would not re offend and that is just not possible. As far as the future of a convicted felon.. well that is up to the individual I know that gaining employment post felony conviction is hard but there are plenty of companies willing to give second chances, in fact one can even run for public office with a felony conviction.
[edit on 18-12-2008 by alyosha1981]
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:06 PM by devildogUSMC
reply to post by Simplynoone
That's where I am at. I'm 26, a veteran, intelligent, motivated, and if I did not have a record I would have been almost finished with my B.A. . One fight, and I'm stuck doing crappy construction jobs, never knowing when there will be work for me because I am the newest person in the local, and fighting to get my unemployment checks when I'm laid off.
This isn't me. This is not what I wanted for my life. I can't do anything that I want to do with my life because they have a record that says I'm a violent offender. I was minding my own business that night. Just sitting, drinking, and thinking. A guy trys to be my friend or something and starts talking to me, so I politely told him that I wasn't there to make friends and I wanted to sit alone and drink my drink. That wasn't ok with him. He brought his buddies over and tried to make a joke out of me. I told him to take his buddies and get away from me or "I'd kick his teeth in" (a common thing to say in the Corp.), I did not mean it literally. He telegraphed, a punch was coming, I caught his arm and broke it, then choked him until he passed out. I didn't feel I did anything wrong. He was a threat, he engaged me, and I neutralized him, case closed; he's the bad guy. NOPE. I am because I was a better fighter.
The police treated me like garbage. I thought they were on my side, "the good guys". NOPE. I let them cuff me quietly, I thought maybe it was just standard operating procedure to take both combatants in to give statements. I thought we'd be shaking hands and making jokes. They charged me with aggravated assault, and my bail was 100,000 dollars. My friends came up with enough money to go to a bondsman and get me out. I'm still paying them back. It's just for money.
They look at every crime as an opportunity to make money. They show complete disregard for the lives and families that are destroyed. They have hurt more people than everyone in all the prisons combined. They ruined my life and I hate them for it. I fought for them, I would have and could have died for them, for 850 dollars every two weeks and a chance to get an education when and if I got out. And now they have taken that dream away from me by giving me a record that says I am violent, after they payed me, and trained me to fight for them.
What can I do. I don't want to be poor, and working my butt off forever. I want a house, and a car, and an education, and a job in a field that interests and challenges me, I want a life. I'm alive but I don't have a life, I have an existance and I have to fight for it tooth and nail, and I'm tired of it. I'm 26 and I feel like I'm 60 years old. All because I have a record.
I'm a nice guy. I haven't been in, nor wanted to be in any fight since then. I haven't had a drink since then and have decided not to drink at all anymore. I do not use drugs. I recieved excellent grades and was in all AP classes in high school. All my teachers were suprised when I told them I was going into the Marines before college. I could tell they thought it was a bad idea for me. It would be just as bad if I had to get student loans, I was thinking. With the G.I. bill I would not have to pay it back. Seemed like a good deal. Those recruiters are phenominal salesman.
I did the probation, I payed the money, I lived in that stinking jail for three months, and now I am being punished for the rest of my life with a record that will follow me anywhere I go and thwart any attempt I make to advance myself. How the F#@# is this justice?
That's where I am at. I'm 26, a veteran, intelligent, motivated, and if I did not have a record I would have been almost finished with my B.A. . One fight, and I'm stuck doing crappy construction jobs, never knowing when there will be work for me because I am the newest person in the local, and fighting to get my unemployment checks when I'm laid off.
This isn't me. This is not what I wanted for my life. I can't do anything that I want to do with my life because they have a record that says I'm a violent offender. I was minding my own business that night. Just sitting, drinking, and thinking. A guy trys to be my friend or something and starts talking to me, so I politely told him that I wasn't there to make friends and I wanted to sit alone and drink my drink. That wasn't ok with him. He brought his buddies over and tried to make a joke out of me. I told him to take his buddies and get away from me or "I'd kick his teeth in" (a common thing to say in the Corp.), I did not mean it literally. He telegraphed, a punch was coming, I caught his arm and broke it, then choked him until he passed out. I didn't feel I did anything wrong. He was a threat, he engaged me, and I neutralized him, case closed; he's the bad guy. NOPE. I am because I was a better fighter.
The police treated me like garbage. I thought they were on my side, "the good guys". NOPE. I let them cuff me quietly, I thought maybe it was just standard operating procedure to take both combatants in to give statements. I thought we'd be shaking hands and making jokes. They charged me with aggravated assault, and my bail was 100,000 dollars. My friends came up with enough money to go to a bondsman and get me out. I'm still paying them back. It's just for money.
They look at every crime as an opportunity to make money. They show complete disregard for the lives and families that are destroyed. They have hurt more people than everyone in all the prisons combined. They ruined my life and I hate them for it. I fought for them, I would have and could have died for them, for 850 dollars every two weeks and a chance to get an education when and if I got out. And now they have taken that dream away from me by giving me a record that says I am violent, after they payed me, and trained me to fight for them.
What can I do. I don't want to be poor, and working my butt off forever. I want a house, and a car, and an education, and a job in a field that interests and challenges me, I want a life. I'm alive but I don't have a life, I have an existance and I have to fight for it tooth and nail, and I'm tired of it. I'm 26 and I feel like I'm 60 years old. All because I have a record.
I'm a nice guy. I haven't been in, nor wanted to be in any fight since then. I haven't had a drink since then and have decided not to drink at all anymore. I do not use drugs. I recieved excellent grades and was in all AP classes in high school. All my teachers were suprised when I told them I was going into the Marines before college. I could tell they thought it was a bad idea for me. It would be just as bad if I had to get student loans, I was thinking. With the G.I. bill I would not have to pay it back. Seemed like a good deal. Those recruiters are phenominal salesman.
I did the probation, I payed the money, I lived in that stinking jail for three months, and now I am being punished for the rest of my life with a record that will follow me anywhere I go and thwart any attempt I make to advance myself. How the F#@# is this justice?
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:27 PM by devildogUSMC
reply to post by Xtrozero
Why should anyone have to eat crappy food? They are already in jail or prison; that is punishment enough. They are fellow humans and fellow Americans and deserve decent food and safe living conditions. I think throwing someone into a place where they are barely and poorly fed, beaten, or sodomized is cruel and unusual; do you not?
Why should anyone have to eat crappy food? They are already in jail or prison; that is punishment enough. They are fellow humans and fellow Americans and deserve decent food and safe living conditions. I think throwing someone into a place where they are barely and poorly fed, beaten, or sodomized is cruel and unusual; do you not?
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:29 PM by Dreemer
reply to post by greeneyedleo
I hope you end up spending time in jail.
You probably won't actually be guilty of anything, but many people in our jails aren't guilty of anything either.
You might get assaulted or even raped in jail, but at least you will be fed three meals a day... we'll be spoiling you really.
I hope you get arrested and spend time in jail, regardless if you are guilty of anything. You will absolutely benefit from the experience, especially if someone steals your food and assaults you. You will learn about REALITY that way.
Sadly I don't think we will be so lucky as to have you incarcerated.
In any case; What happened to you to make you so cruel?
I hope you end up spending time in jail.
You probably won't actually be guilty of anything, but many people in our jails aren't guilty of anything either.
You might get assaulted or even raped in jail, but at least you will be fed three meals a day... we'll be spoiling you really.
I hope you get arrested and spend time in jail, regardless if you are guilty of anything. You will absolutely benefit from the experience, especially if someone steals your food and assaults you. You will learn about REALITY that way.
Sadly I don't think we will be so lucky as to have you incarcerated.
In any case; What happened to you to make you so cruel?
reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:34 PM by Marked One
Originally posted by devildogUSMC
reply to post by Simplynoone
That's where I am at. I'm 26, a veteran, intelligent, motivated, and if I did not have a record I would have been almost finished with my B.A. . One fight, and I'm stuck doing crappy construction jobs, never knowing when there will be work for me because I am the newest person in the local, and fighting to get my unemployment checks when I'm laid off.
This isn't me. This is not what I wanted for my life. I can't do anything that I want to do with my life because they have a record that says I'm a violent offender. I was minding my own business that night. Just sitting, drinking, and thinking. A guy trys to be my friend or something and starts talking to me, so I politely told him that I wasn't there to make friends and I wanted to sit alone and drink my drink. That wasn't ok with him. He brought his buddies over and tried to make a joke out of me. I told him to take his buddies and get away from me or "I'd kick his teeth in" (a common thing to say in the Corp.), I did not mean it literally. He telegraphed, a punch was coming, I caught his arm and broke it, then choked him until he passed out. I didn't feel I did anything wrong. He was a threat, he engaged me, and I neutralized him, case closed; he's the bad guy. NOPE. I am because I was a better fighter.
The police treated me like garbage. I thought they were on my side, "the good guys". NOPE. I let them cuff me quietly, I thought maybe it was just standard operating procedure to take both combatants in to give statements. I thought we'd be shaking hands and making jokes. They charged me with aggravated assault, and my bail was 100,000 dollars. My friends came up with enough money to go to a bondsman and get me out. I'm still paying them back. It's just for money.
They look at every crime as an opportunity to make money. They show complete disregard for the lives and families that are destroyed. They have hurt more people than everyone in all the prisons combined. They ruined my life and I hate them for it. I fought for them, I would have and could have died for them, for 850 dollars every two weeks and a chance to get an education when and if I got out. And now they have taken that dream away from me by giving me a record that says I am violent, after they payed me, and trained me to fight for them.
What can I do. I don't want to be poor, and working my butt off forever. I want a house, and a car, and an education, and a job in a field that interests and challenges me, I want a life. I'm alive but I don't have a life, I have an existance and I have to fight for it tooth and nail, and I'm tired of it. I'm 26 and I feel like I'm 60 years old. All because I have a record.
I'm a nice guy. I haven't been in, nor wanted to be in any fight since then. I haven't had a drink since then and have decided not to drink at all anymore. I do not use drugs. I recieved excellent grades and was in all AP classes in high school. All my teachers were suprised when I told them I was going into the Marines before college. I could tell they thought it was a bad idea for me. It would be just as bad if I had to get student loans, I was thinking. With the G.I. bill I would not have to pay it back. Seemed like a good deal. Those recruiters are phenominal salesman.
I did the probation, I payed the money, I lived in that stinking jail for three months, and now I am being punished for the rest of my life with a record that will follow me anywhere I go and thwart any attempt I make to advance myself. How the F#@# is this justice?
This is exactly what I'm trying to point out. It's stories like this that make me sick to my stomach and more and more cynical about everything else in life. What can we do?
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