The Actual Astronomy of 2012

Did this come from Maurice Cotterrell ? I really like some of his ideas, that one in particular since I came to similiar conclusions regarding evolution and the effects of EM.

I'm not outside the idea that a consciousness shift is occurring, actually I'm pretty sure it's already begun. Anyone without their head in the sand can clearly see the dramatic changes that are on the horizon in all areas.
2012 may be the critical mass point. Some are already there.
But I don't think there will be any perceived change from one day to the next. Nature just doesn't work that way and there's absolutely nothing to suggest a dimensional shift or a change in DNA.

For the rest of the world the crossing begins in 2011 and finishes in 2013. it's only on 12/21/12 that, for the Maya it occurs in one day over their heads. Beginning pre dawn, through the moment of solstice and completes the crossing only minutes before sunset. The precision is incredible.

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Yes

Is anyone here aware of the fact that the date of the transition is 28/10/2011 and that 21/12/2012 is just the passage of Venus?

The Mayan prophecy is not about astronomy, it works on a much higher level.

And yes, we will transcend from a 3D reality to a 4D.
That is kind of hard to imagine.

I am also very tired of the "Apocalypse"-people, and especially how they are being fed with fear by the MSM. What happens on this date of change is not up to mankind, it is part of a timeless plan set up by God so we need little worry for it. Just sit back and enjoy the ride I guess...

But as the date closes in, there will be mass hysteria, no doubt about it, and people will most likely hurt each other. That is why I intend to leave town before that. Feels pretty neat however to be located in the top of the World Tree!

Maybe everyone is so focused on 2012 that 2011 will hit them with complete surprise, thus preventing any unnessecary mayhem.

The last transit of Venus was in 2004 the next and final transit for the century is in June 2012.
I assume the 28/10/2011 end date is from John Calleman.

I have a prediction, all of these 2012 researchers will mysteriously vanish from the public eye post 2012.

I'm not a doom and gloomer but there is the possibility of geomagnetic storms the likes of which our relatively new technological world has never seen before. Our planet has become enveloped in array of vast cables and wires, like a giant lightning rod waiting from the zap from space.
I'm not talking about killer radiation, but extensive damage to the energy and communication infrastructure. The potential for extended large or even global blackouts and brown outs is a very real possibility. It could literally cripple the modern world.

That may not sound very ominous but give it some thought, lives will be lost, just think what's going to happen when the lights go out.

This is the one scenario I've had in mind for a possible "event" and all signs do indeed point to something like this. This is not a hypothetical it's an eventuality, the severity is the only variable, and whether we can learn from a lesser event in the meantime.

For the spiritual, you may know something of Schumann resonance.
The electromagnetic pollution that we endure is an interference to this natural frequency that all mammalian brains are tuned to.
Lights go out, no more interference.
a possible catalyst for consciousness shift?

I suppose I have ventured into speculative territory however it is based on facts. Heh, While I call out the 2012 crazies, I'm a little crazy myself, somewhere in between I guess.

Yes, Calleman has that theory, among the now-living representatives of the Mayan culture in Guatemala. I take his words as the best source any day.


Haha, that would really be something. But I feel this one. It is different than any other prophecy known in history. It has worked pretty flawlessly so far and I bet it will continue to until the end date.


I used to be one. But that was before I gained higher insight in the issue. Thinking in terms of global apocalypse or armageddon is just taking the easy way out- something mankind seems pretty fond of....


Very much so, and I like to believe that you are on the right track. But I think one thing will bring the other. There are people living out in the wild already and they seem pretty normal. And everytime there is a power surge and black outs in major cities, not much of spiritual enlightment seems to take place. Wish it could be that easy...


There are levels in hell also!
When I study the world and see what "normal" people do with their lives, I am kind of glad to be crazy...

But as I have understood it; the planetary alignments are just a way to "map" and predict the events, it has little to do with the things happening themselves- they are part of a divine plan and nothing physical can change that. If so the earth started to spin backwards, the outcome would be the same anyhow.

Very interesting Raud,



It's been a while since I've looked at his work, I couldn't remember how he came to that end date, Is that really so? I've not heard that from any Mayan representative. Any links would be appreciated.

Mayaonics

Ugly, yet Informative Page by Calleman

Calleman has been studying the Mayan calendar since -79 and his books contains perfect predictions that can easily be proven from edition to edition.



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You know, that was one of the more interesting things I have seen in a long time. Thank you for posting the link. I almost gave up on it at first with the whole Edgar Cayce thing, but the religious symbology discussion and the linkage to the pineal gland alone was worth the viewing.

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I'm familiar with the theory, Don Alejandro's words are inspiring, but I had not heard anything of him addressing the actual end date? I do like the theory but the interpretations and projections leave me feeling like needing to take a leap of faith.
The logical thorn in the side of the theory is the fact that the 21-12 date coincidentally falls on solstice, now not only that, but indeed there is a special astronomical occurrence on that day that fits with the Mayan mythology that occurs only once every great year.

I believe there is a stronger case for the pine cone to be symbolic of what it actually is, a pine cone. Why? is the most revealing question.
Take a look at "The Pharmacratic Inquisition".

I found this interesting article on the people that came before the maya

Mesoamerican relic provides new clues to mysterious ancient writing system

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What about the people on the other side of the world with the same ending date? did they come to that conclusion because they were visiting mexico? Is it some magical place that makes the world come up with the same date thousands of years before this place was said to exist? The mayan calendar is one of the weakest for evedince that there is. I have no ideal why people so ignorant of the subject would ever try and use it as proof. It is a good example of how little knowledge is known by most of the people who bring it up. None of them ever said 2012 because they did not use our modern calendar system.



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Ok, who on the other side of the world gave the same date?
the long count calendar is evidence for what exactly? it is what it is, looking at myth and ancient cultures, . A common theme arises, the Sun, the planets, the zodiac and incredibly precession. And the personification of celestial bodies and events. The conclusions of the author in the link in the op fits with that grand theme.
The end date was calculated by the Maya, the calendar itself predates the Maya, I don't think there any evidence to suggest that the end date is inclusive of the calendar itself.
Please share the knowledge with the ignorant, we are seeking enlightenment after all

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S & F OP for bringing my attention to a very intriguing view of the 2012 issue..
I have always found the astronomical aspect of 2012, the way that ancient Mayans "astronomers" were capable of devising such elaborate analysis of time & space, simply breathtaking. This will also help me to explain the issue better to a lot of people who have been wondering about what 2012 actually means. Thank again OP

The problem is that the Doomsday stuff did not come about solely based on the fact that the Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, but rather that there is another surviving book that relates prophecies to each cycle. The prophesy for this last cycle is that the world will be destroyed one final time.

Oh, and BTW NASA agrees with the Mayan Calendar ending date of 2012, not 1998…

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Yes I have heard this, but I feel the interpretation may be lacking, the Hopi's refer to a time of renewal, so rather than annihilation a rebirth of sorts (pun intended). Although that doesn't mean it doesn't come with a price. But end of the world should probably mean end of this age of the sun or cycle. There are actually dates referenced beyond 2012 by the Maya so I don't think they where predicting the end of the world.
If I'm wrong I'll buy everyone a beer.

Although I have to admit this odd feeling of synchronicity this year, since I posted earlier in the thread about a possible super flare event, I turn on the TV and the discovery channel has the perfect disaster playing with the solar flare scenario. I get on the web and spaceweather has a link to a report regarding the danger of solar storms. Several blogs pop up, it hits the media now there are several threads here. The first sun spots begin to appear.
Could it be the "dark event" referred to by some Maya?

Actually I do think it would be something to be prepared for. It means learning to be more self sufficient, It's been my plan all along and not for any survival reasons just freedom reasons. so it's all positive regardless.

As for the End date, yes 2012 is the agreed date by most, the 1998 was the special alignment with the galactic plane on solstice, so obviously there is no unknown galactic force resulting from any particular alignments.
But we should keep a watch on the Sun.
But remember the Sun's crossing the plane is what is significant, to look at the larger scale the Sun began it's crossing some say in the 80's and some say the 70's, 1998 was the closest to the centre on that particular solstice, of course the years following and previously it would also be very close to the centre. If one wanted to relate human consciousness to this then you would have to say it began in the 60's.
I think it marks the tipping point myself.

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Pretty good show on the topic.
Check out the Katun 13 information starting on video 2:

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So what does this mean? Does it throw out the theory that the magnetic poles will shift......and what of the "solar storms".....

Well the theory, if the interpretation is correct, proves only the incredible astronomical knowledge of the Maya, that in itself is a remarkable mystery.

It is not proof of any secondary effects that could be tied into the internet claims. The Maya saw time as cyclical and were much more aware of the connectedness to all things and tied spirituality and science together. As Raud said, the astronomical elements were markers for events and may not be directly related.

I'm interested in what can be seen and measured, I cannot discount the unknowns but would rather look at what is real and evident.
I also speculate but within the known facts. It's fun after all.

Sorry to interject here. I have never posted before but reading these comments reminded me of something I read a long time ago. A bit obscure and 'dodgy'. A cosmos without gravitation by Velikovsky.He theorises that this invisible force we call gravity is really an electro-magnetic effect and mass has no 'weight' at all. The planets subsequently occupy orbits in 'standing waves' almost like sub atomic particles do. If the sun's magnetic field was reversed then perhaps planets could be affected in some way by flipping over or changing orbit? Effortlessly and easily! Just a silly idea I thought I'd throw in J.F.