Originally posted by 12.21.12
85x11x4=3,740 which is equal to an age or 1,366,040 days which represents the time when the suns magnetic field shifts, so it could be very much like crossing over into a different spiritual plane or dimension.

Did this come from Maurice Cotterrell ? I really like some of his ideas, that one in particular since I came to similiar conclusions regarding evolution and the effects of EM.

I'm not outside the idea that a consciousness shift is occurring, actually I'm pretty sure it's already begun. Anyone without their head in the sand can clearly see the dramatic changes that are on the horizon in all areas.
2012 may be the critical mass point. Some are already there.
But I don't think there will be any perceived change from one day to the next. Nature just doesn't work that way and there's absolutely nothing to suggest a dimensional shift or a change in DNA.

For the rest of the world the crossing begins in 2011 and finishes in 2013. it's only on 12/21/12 that, for the Maya it occurs in one day over their heads. Beginning pre dawn, through the moment of solstice and completes the crossing only minutes before sunset. The precision is incredible.

Is anyone here aware of the fact that the date of the transition is 28/10/2011 and that 21/12/2012 is just the passage of Venus?

The Mayan prophecy is not about astronomy, it works on a much higher level.

And yes, we will transcend from a 3D reality to a 4D.
That is kind of hard to imagine.

I am also very tired of the "Apocalypse"-people, and especially how they are being fed with fear by the MSM. What happens on this date of change is not up to mankind, it is part of a timeless plan set up by God so we need little worry for it. Just sit back and enjoy the ride I guess...

But as the date closes in, there will be mass hysteria, no doubt about it, and people will most likely hurt each other. That is why I intend to leave town before that. Feels pretty neat however to be located in the top of the World Tree!

Maybe everyone is so focused on 2012 that 2011 will hit them with complete surprise, thus preventing any unnessecary mayhem.

The last transit of Venus was in 2004 the next and final transit for the century is in June 2012.
I assume the 28/10/2011 end date is from John Calleman.

I have a prediction, all of these 2012 researchers will mysteriously vanish from the public eye post 2012.

I'm not a doom and gloomer but there is the possibility of geomagnetic storms the likes of which our relatively new technological world has never seen before. Our planet has become enveloped in array of vast cables and wires, like a giant lightning rod waiting from the zap from space.
I'm not talking about killer radiation, but extensive damage to the energy and communication infrastructure. The potential for extended large or even global blackouts and brown outs is a very real possibility. It could literally cripple the modern world.

That may not sound very ominous but give it some thought, lives will be lost, just think what's going to happen when the lights go out.

This is the one scenario I've had in mind for a possible "event" and all signs do indeed point to something like this. This is not a hypothetical it's an eventuality, the severity is the only variable, and whether we can learn from a lesser event in the meantime.

For the spiritual, you may know something of Schumann resonance.
The electromagnetic pollution that we endure is an interference to this natural frequency that all mammalian brains are tuned to.
Lights go out, no more interference.
a possible catalyst for consciousness shift?

I suppose I have ventured into speculative territory however it is based on facts. Heh, While I call out the 2012 crazies, I'm a little crazy myself, somewhere in between I guess.

Originally posted by squiz
The last transit of Venus was in 2004 the next and final transit for the century is in June 2012.
I assume the 28/10/2011 end date is from John Calleman.

Yes, Calleman has that theory, among the now-living representatives of the Mayan culture in Guatemala. I take his words as the best source any day.

I have a prediction, all of these 2012 researchers will mysteriously vanish from the public eye post 2012.

Haha, that would really be something. But I feel this one. It is different than any other prophecy known in history. It has worked pretty flawlessly so far and I bet it will continue to until the end date.

I'm not a doom and gloomer but there is the possibility of geomagnetic storms the likes of which our relatively new technological world has never seen before.

I used to be one. But that was before I gained higher insight in the issue. Thinking in terms of global apocalypse or armageddon is just taking the easy way out- something mankind seems pretty fond of....

Lights go out, no more interference.
a possible catalyst for consciousness shift?

Very much so, and I like to believe that you are on the right track. But I think one thing will bring the other. There are people living out in the wild already and they seem pretty normal. And everytime there is a power surge and black outs in major cities, not much of spiritual enlightment seems to take place. Wish it could be that easy...

I suppose I have ventured into speculative territory however it is based on facts. Heh, While I call out the 2012 crazies, I'm a little crazy myself, somewhere in between I guess.

There are levels in hell also!
When I study the world and see what "normal" people do with their lives, I am kind of glad to be crazy...

But as I have understood it; the planetary alignments are just a way to "map" and predict the events, it has little to do with the things happening themselves- they are part of a divine plan and nothing physical can change that. If so the earth started to spin backwards, the outcome would be the same anyhow.

Very interesting Raud,

Yes, Calleman has that theory, among the now-living representatives of the Mayan culture in Guatemala. I take his words as the best source any day.

It's been a while since I've looked at his work, I couldn't remember how he came to that end date, Is that really so? I've not heard that from any Mayan representative. Any links would be appreciated.

Lights go out, no more interference.
a possible catalyst for consciousness shift?

Very much so, and I like to believe that you are on the right track. But I think one thing will bring the other. There are people living out in the wild already and they seem pretty normal. And every time there is a power surge and black outs in major cities, not much of spiritual enlightenment seems to take place. Wish it could be that easy...

It's a very subtle thing. if your sensitive to it it's extremely powerful, everyone has experienced it. If your a city person all you have to do is take a walk in nature, alpha brain waves are the result, a relaxed creative mind.
I believe this is why so many people feel lost or disconnected or even alien to the world around them.
I not talking about spirituality as some sort of magical power. It's a natural balanced state of being. Some believe if you can resonate with the planets natural rhythm a sort of communication can take place with the gaian mind. I do believe I've experienced it, but I have been practicing meditating for over 25 years. As well as some other methods I'm not allowed to discuss here.
I think the difference we have here is in the interpretation of spiritual enlightenment. As I said earlier some are already there, some have worked at it their whole life, and are quite normal on the surface. It's a state of mind, no magical powers, just more awareness of the subtle energies.
So yes one thing may bring another to speed up the process, a catalyst.

If there is anything that could cause a shift in brain waves it is Schumann resonance. Just to add it was Tesla who first measured it, another instance where his work is wrongly attributed to another.
The other more obvious thing that is taking place is the natural evolution of culture that is reaching an epoch, sped up by the exchange of ideas from all over the globe. All the corruption and war is a natural part of the evolution that must take place.

I think it is more correct to call it a consciousness shift rather than spiritual enlightenment, you just have to look around to see so many that are so far from any sense of spirituality or enlightenment that It would be in defiance of natural law for those to get a free ticket without going through the natural trials. But everyone can and do have consciousness shifts within their lifetime.

Subtle effects with big ramifications, we shall see. Thanks for your posts.

Originally posted by 12.21.12

Now I am currently watching this, but I took a break to check out ATS and found this thread. What David Wilcocks is explaining has to do with an experiment that was discussed here on ATS with the slit and what happens to matter in one of these events.

He is also in the process of explaining some of the changes that are to occur in our DNA as a result.

Google Video Link

You know, that was one of the more interesting things I have seen in a long time. Thank you for posting the link. I almost gave up on it at first with the whole Edgar Cayce thing, but the religious symbology discussion and the linkage to the pineal gland alone was worth the viewing.

Originally posted by soma_pills
the religious symbology discussion and the linkage to the pineal gland alone was worth the viewing.

I believe there is a stronger case for the pine cone to be symbolic of what it actually is, a pine cone. Why? is the most revealing question.
Take a look at "The Pharmacratic Inquisition".

What about the people on the other side of the world with the same ending date? did they come to that conclusion because they were visiting mexico? Is it some magical place that makes the world come up with the same date thousands of years before this place was said to exist? The mayan calendar is one of the weakest for evedince that there is. I have no ideal why people so ignorant of the subject would ever try and use it as proof. It is a good example of how little knowledge is known by most of the people who bring it up. None of them ever said 2012 because they did not use our modern calendar system.



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Originally posted by seek4 truth
What about the people on the other side of the world with the same ending date? did they come to that conclusion because they were visiting mexico? Is it some magical place that makes the world come up with the same date thousands of years before this place was said to exist? The mayan calendar is one of the weakest for evedince that there is. I have no ideal why people so ignorant of the subject would ever try and use it as proof. It is a good example of how little knowledge is know by most of the people who bring it up.

Ok, who on the other side of the world gave the same date?
the long count calendar is evidence for what exactly? it is what it is, looking at myth and ancient cultures, . A common theme arises, the Sun, the planets, the zodiac and incredibly precession. And the personification of celestial bodies and events. The conclusions of the author in the link in the op fits with that grand theme.
The end date was calculated by the Maya, the calendar itself predates the Maya, I don't think there any evidence to suggest that the end date is inclusive of the calendar itself.
Please share the knowledge with the ignorant, we are seeking enlightenment after all

Sorry to interject here. I have never posted before but reading these comments reminded me of something I read a long time ago. A bit obscure and 'dodgy'. A cosmos without gravitation by Velikovsky.He theorises that this invisible force we call gravity is really an electro-magnetic effect and mass has no 'weight' at all. The planets subsequently occupy orbits in 'standing waves' almost like sub atomic particles do. If the sun's magnetic field was reversed then perhaps planets could be affected in some way by flipping over or changing orbit? Effortlessly and easily! Just a silly idea I thought I'd throw in J.F.