The Actual Astronomy of 2012, page 1
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Topic started on 17-12-2008 @ 08:19 PM by squiz
Here's an excellent piece of work which I believe accurately describes what the Maya were pin pointing in their end date for the long count calendar.

I really think this may be it!

This is not a debunking nor is it speculative thread, this is based on astronomical facts and concerns only these celestial aspects in relation to Mayan mythology. Some may be disappointed with the conclusions, as for me I'm astounded to say the least, as it clearly shows the Maya possessed an incredibly mind boggling knowledge of astronomy.

To summarize some points from the essay.

- The alignment is not with the galactic centre, but with the galactic plane.

- Alignment with this plane occurs once a year.

- The special Alignment with the galactic plane on the winter solstice already occurred in 1998!

- This only happens once every "great year" or every 26000 years.

- The special occurrence that the author terms "The triple rebirth of the Sun" is what is significant about 2012.

- This rare event is location specific, in other words the event unfolds only from the perspective of southern Mexico.

So if galactic alignment on Winter solstice has already occurred does this mean the Maya where off by 14 years? No, it seems the Maya were concerned with a different event. "The triple rebirth of the Sun".
The explanation is simple and elegant and fits perfectly with Mayan mythology.

To the Maya Every morning is considered a rebirth of the Sun as it rises from the underworld. The Winter solstice can be considered the annual rebirth of the Sun. And you will see how the event of 2012 because of the precession cycle, the spin and orbit of the earth, the sun is seen to cross from one side of the galactic plane to the other symbolizing the galactic rebirth of the Sun!

These three things occur because of the rotation of the planet,(daily rebirth). The orbit of the planet about the sun, (annual Rebirth) and the slow wobble of the Earths axis called precession which spans 26000 years respectively. (The great year rebirth).

From the perspective of the Maya all three of these things occur throughout the complete day on solstice 2012.
A triple whammy once every 26000 years!

Wow!!

Sound confusing? not really, all will be revealed.
www.infinitelymystical.com...
Hats off to Thomas Razzeto, truly astounding work. Make sure to check out the vid.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by squiz]


reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 11:46 PM by squiz
reply to post by Phage



Amen to that, I've had a deep interest in 2012 but don't comment much on it. I find it frustrating trying find any real facts because of the amount of speculation, and lets face it misinformation.
That's why this article is such a breath of fresh air.

You have a good point regarding the rate of precession, I'm wondering if the values over period of a few thousand years would make much of a difference? Over a few hundred years I don't think it would matter that much.
Is it possible (I know this is a big call) that the Maya were actually aware of the discrepancy?

It brings to mind this part of the article.

The Long Count calendar is 5,125 years long. Five cycles of the Long Count calendar add up to the great year to within one-half of one percent and the Maya show all five cycles in their artwork and talk about them in their folklore.

Many mainstream critics claim that this is just a coincidence since, in their opinion, the Maya could not and did not know about precession. But how could this be a coincidence when the Maya record stories about the shifts seen in their sky and base their calendar on what causes these shifts? And the ninety-nine and a half percent accuracy is quite compelling. In my opinion, this is strong evidence that the Maya had an accurate value for the precessional cycle. But this is just the beginning of the evidence!

Notice that the Maya have gone through less than one Long Count. What is most interesting is that they did not design the calendar and start using it as if they were on the first day. They started about three thousand years into it. Why? I think it's obvious they started at a specific point on purpose in order to have it end when they wanted. And consider this. What if they knew about the minor inaccuracy of one-half of one percent and properly accounted for it? If that were true, the calendar would of course end on the exact day that they wanted. Yes, the exact day!


If the Olmec did indeed create the long count calendar could it have been accurate to 100% at the time (a few thousand years ago) and the changing rate of precession has pushed the time frame the extra half a percent as it is today?
Half a percent may be too great a value over a period of a few thousand years. I'm sure the math could be done.

Either way very cool and awe inspiring I think.



reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 04:34 AM by Incarnated
reply to post by Waldy




Why would we? We know where the errors are. We know no one wants to hear about them. We know how to tell time. The countdown has begun. It's only a matter of seconds before you see just how wrong we were.


Again? Why would we? We are a respectful lot. We don't wish to fill your fluffy threads with stuff you don't want to hear. We wish you would do the same for us, but we understand you're not that in control. You have something to prove and we can suport that. We'd only respond because you are so despet that you'd talk about us on your fluffy-a-nutta thread about false understandings based around the 2012 date.

As for us, we will be right in time. We have nothing to prove. Hope this answers your question.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Incarnated]


reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 06:18 AM by Waldy
Originally posted by Incarnated
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post by Waldy




Why would we? We know where the errors are. We know no one wants to hear about them. We know how to tell time. The countdown has begun. It's only a matter of seconds before you see just how wrong we were.


Again? Why would we? We are a respectful lot. We don't wish to fill your fluffy threads with stuff you don't want to hear. We wish you would do the same for us, but we understand you're not that in control. You have something to prove and we can suport that. We'd only respond because you are so despet that you'd talk about us on your fluffy-a-nutta thread about false understandings based around the 2012 date.

As for us, we will be right in time. We have nothing to prove. Hope this answers your question.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Incarnated]


Eh, what are you talking about? Who are the "we" you keep talking about and what was the question you think I asked?


reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 12:33 PM by Phage
reply to post by Astyanax



It doesn't require knowledge of why the cycles occur in order to observe and place importance them. Anyone who's livelihood depends on cycles (agriculture) is going to pay close attention to all the cycles they can see.

The precessive cycle is very slow however (a bit more than 1 degree every hundred years). This is something that is very difficult to observe.


reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:14 PM by squiz
reply to post by antar



Thank you very much, but I'm just the messenger of course.
I do think it's a very strong case. I was hoping it would get a little more attention, but with all the noise around the subject of 2012 it's understandable.
2012 may come and go and be written off in the public eye without many realising the significance, I hope that's not the case.
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