Hidden Story of Sheik Mohommed

Any defense system can be defeated, or have you not bothered to study history? And your "multiple trillion $$$" system is not concentrated in Washington D.C.



Do you really think it is that hard to plan? "Wait until 20 minutes into your flight and then take it over" Really isnt all that hard to do, just takes some decent wristwatches, some lunatics and some plane tickets.




Except there were not any explosives involved and you have ZERO proof of any.



Except that Florida was not under martial law. You might want to do some honest research and when you do, you will discover that Governor Bush had basically re-issued executive orders for the Florida National Guard to do its job....



Of course if you would like to read the full text of his Executive Orders, you can find it here...

www.911myths.com...




He did not have to do that. Osama was not in Pakistan on 9/11/01. He was in Afghanistan. No matter though. The Pakistani government would not have given us permission to arrest him, even if he HAD been in Pakistan.




And you really should go to your local library and start digging through archieved issues of various news magazines from before 9/11 for more info about KSH.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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Would you be referring to the Bojinka Plot?

Or his activities with his newphew, Ramzi Youseff?

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You imply your own authority and expertise but fail to provide credentials, and you also fail to address issues and cite sources. Where is your proof to these erroneous claims?



Just “your” opinion, again you have no proof!




whatreallyhappened.com...



www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...

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firefightersfor911truth.org...


conspireality.tv...


www.mindfully.org...


www.calgary911truth.org...


www.rense.com...


So that ends “your” conspiracy theory about there were no explosions!




Please show your sources to this claim?



What dose your Answer; have to do with his answer? You need to go to a library and learn how we Americans torture. Learn what WATER BOARDING is!
Learn how we out sources some of our torturing to foreign contractor.

hate to say it, even though i usually do agree with cashlink im not biased on this. too many firemen witnessed, heard, and felt explosions. whatever investigative team that found "no" explosives were of the n for national, u for united or some other govt team. sorry. i think cash got it there.

Swamp is stating the obvious. It doesn't matter what his credentials are. What are yours? What about Spreston? What are his?

The fact remains, that that trillion dollar system was not not "defeated." by the attacks . Perhaps you or Spreston and describe to all of us what exactly was defeated? Commercial air crafts traveling within US airspace were not shot down within a few minutes? Wow... yeah.. the system was defeated. The system reacted, and was too late. I suggest you learn a little about NORAD, ATC, NEADS, etc... at PRE-911 times. You seem to like sources.

Vanity Fair received recordings of what happened inside the North East Air Defence Sector (NEADS) command center, they wrote an article on the NORAD response entitled;

9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes.

source

Cash, you may be interested in reading a great paper written by Andrew Burfield entitled:

THE NORAD RESPONSE TO 9/11

source


Regarding the planning of the attack you said this is response to Swamp:



Actually, Cash the proof is, that this is what happened. It was a planned, organized attack. There is not proof that it happened any other way. The planning and organization of the attacks involved many members of al-Qaeda. The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, they ended up in San Diego around January of 2000. Then Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, all came in the summer of 2000, they all took flight training in south Florida. The fourth pilot, Hani Hanjour, (flight 77 hijacker pilot)arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The "muscle hijackers," were trained to help overpower and take over the aircraft, all came in spring/summer of 2001.

There are some very informative articles written by the Boston Globe:
Probe reconstructs horror, calculated attacks on planes
Boston Globe

Flight 11

Flight 175

Flight 77

Flight 93







whatreallyhappened.com...

the only hole in the muscle hijackers theory, or story, or whatever you call it is i ( taht stands for me personally) dont believe that 5 small by genetics me can take over 30 or so people with boxcutters. ive been fightiong my whole life, against 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 guys at a time and numbers ALWAYS overcome strenghth and training. it aint like a karate movie where 4 guys watch while 2 fight, and whaen 1 goes down another jumps in. sorry. me and 25 3rd graders can kick seagals, van dams, stathams and whoever elses butt. numbers always win. every time. and boxcutters only go 1/4 inch deep. and you can only use it on 1 person at a time. besides the other holes i ( only me) find in it is the phone calls. cel phones dont work on a plane. ive flown many times, cross country, and to kill some time have had my phone on to play games, and never had a signal.

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News flash....the "muscle" guys werent scrawny little guys. Not to mention the act of slitting a person's throat (and yes a box cutter does cut deep enough) is going to freeze most people. NOW, had there been four or five SEALS, Force Recon, or Delta troopers on board, they would have reacted rather than froze. Of course, prior to 9/11, a hijacking always ended on the ground somewhere, so why take a stupid chance and attack someone that has a weapon?


Then you mention the phone calls....or havent you realized that most of the phone calls were made using airfones?

Um, no, I have NEVER said there were not any explosions. What you, and many OTHER conspiracy believers cannot get through their skulls is that hearing an explosion, does NOT mean there was a bomb.

I, on the other hand, know that in every office building in this country there are many items that will explode when exposed to heat/fire. Floor waxs/strippers, aerosol cans, chemical cleaners, hell, even a Pepsi can will explode in a fire....all those items under the right conditions (heat/fire) will explode and will sound just like a stick of dynamite going off.

Hearing an explosion, does not mean there was a bomb involved.

Of course I did find this.....





Except thats not in reference to the WTC...it is in reference to the fire at Madrid's Windsor tower. Explosions were heard throughtout the night as that building burned....or do you believe the George Bush and his dastardly gang wired IT for demolition too?

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I know very well what water boarding is. Until recently it was used at the military SERE schools as an example of what might happen to you, should you ever be captured by the enemy. Good enough for me, good enough for a terrorist.

Boo frigging hoo....free ethincally correct food, free medical care, everything they need to properly worship Allah, other than not being able to wantonly kill innocents, the terrorists confined at Gitmo have it better there than they did before they were captured

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Amongst other things. The repeated claims by conspiracy believers that KSH, OBL and others appeared on 9/11/01 is ludicrous. They were around for YEARS prior to 9/11 planning/causing mayhem in various areas of the world.

Guinness..try reading this:

United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui
Criminal No. 01-455-A

here

You will learn about phone calls, and how they were made on 911 from the planes. You can actually listen to some calls made from the passengers.

In regards to your 1/4 inch cut. You obvious have never seen a box cutter.

reply to post by CameronFox

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As usual, YOU are off “topic”!
What dose your posts have to do with, (Hidden Story of Sheik Mohommed?)

What I see here is a RED HERRING!


www.nizkor.org...

You need to stop your nonsense and stay on “topic”.
Hidden Story of Sheik Mohommed.




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I was responding to your response to Swamp.... Sorry for going off topic. I was sticking to the thread wave.

Did you at least read it?

Dont worry too much about Cashlink.

He thinks its okay for him to go off topic, but its not okay when someone responds.....

wonder if i can show my scar of a boxcutter somehow. ill figure it out and post it. and you say most of the calls were on airfones. what about the others? keep in mind im not aligned with any story. trying to get info. and never anywhere am i refuting what anyone says. just asking questions. im 38 years old, and capable of a decent cvilized conversation. and im trying.

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No need to show me what a boxcutter can do as I once slipped with one while while cutting plastic agricultural drainpipe (in a hurry) and virtually removed a finger. The blade passed right through the joint taking out tendons, nerves, everything and I can thank speedy microsurgery for the fact I still have that finger in working condition. The type of 'boxcutter' I was using had a blade with 10 snap-off segments and a fresh blade can be extended 3 or 4 inches, all of it razor sharp.

That's maybe a bit of a deviation from the topic though
Has SKM ever claimed to be innocent? I'd think he had sufficient opportunities to do so. It seems as though he (& others) are seeking martyrdom in the name of their 'cause' but they won't be granted that if imprisoned for life.

No, the multi-trillion $$$$ defense system was defeated. Four aircraft were allegedly hijacked and flew all over the northeast United States at will and totally unhindered. Several of these aircraft, whether flown by US Military remote pilots or alleged hijackers, flew over nuclear power plants and Air Force bases unhindered; apparently without even a Cessna sent up to investigate.

DEFEATED. Flight 77 disappeared over Ohio, and was apparently replaced by another aircraft, and NORAD and the US Air Force were without a clue. If it was the US Military flying the aircraft, it would be simple to position one aircraft under its military replacement and switch transponders. Each aircraft would have two transponders; one commercial and one military. On the radars the blips would look as one, with each aircraft changing course and assuming the flight path of the other aircraft. Flights 11 and 175 if they had actually taken off at all (there seems to be a question) would have their replacement aircraft fitted with extra filled fuel tanks for the much more spectacular Shock & Awe effects.



Who can guess what they replaced Flight 93 with? Regardless something went wrong and it failed to reach its target; likely WTC7. So it was probably fitted with extra fuel tanks also. It screwed up and they screwed up the timing of the three WTC building demolitions, and NORAD and Defense Dept commanding officers were forced to lie to Congress. Fighter jets were sent away from the action and other fighter jets were ordered to proceed at minimum speed.

The multi-trillion $$$$ defense system was DEFEATED. They did not even have a chance to shoot any of the alleged hijacked aircraft down before they attacked their targets because SOMEBODY outfoxed them. Not one single military officer was punished for incompetence or lying; many were actually promoted for their incompetence and lying. The only military plane which allegedly sighted an attacking aircraft before its attack was a National Guard C-130 from over 15 miles away. HELPLESS and DEFEATED.

Of course the radar and radio signals were most likely jammed by the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center; but how in the world did the al Qaeda (Toilet Seat in Arabic) 'terrorist hijackers' manage to take over an E-4B with boxcutters?








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good thing you saved that finger, pilgrim! i really do wonder if they know what kind of knife they allegedly used. and the one fact that sticks in my head is, the occupants of the plane had heard, thru "cel" phone and airfone calls about the other attacks, and decided not to let it happen to them. the hijackers can only use the knife on one person at a time. 2 were in the cockpit. that leaves 3 to fend off the passengers. can only use the knife on one person at a time. sooooo, im just guessin here.... these guys that KNEW IT WAS LIFE OR DEATH, GAVE UP? DECIDED IT WASNT WORTH SAVING THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT THE 3 ATTACKERS MORE THAN ONE ON ONE?

I suggest you consider what happened on 93.

Once they knew what the jig was, they did exactly as you're suggesting YOU would have done.

They figured out what was going on and who was responsible in minutes.

Truthers have had 7 yrs and STILL can't figure it out.

not exactly sure what you mean by that. what im trying to understand is the mindset of a handful of men that had a decision based on life or death. and im not sure how much time they had to react. the flight was off course for 30 plus minutes i think. at what point did the "calls" from wichever phone, come into play and how much time after. its very hard to take into consideration what a collective mindset is, or if it became a "mob" mentality. rest assured, all bets are off in a life or death situation, and 10 or so guys in my mind can take down 3 inadequately armed men in close quarters. let me know if im off with any of my guesses for time frame. i know that looking at my statements would lead you to think, "i know what happened, let me tell you..." but im very, very far from that. im trying to come to a conclusion of my own. im trying to learn, and by no way trying to cahange anyones mind gere. i want to study this tragedy, make my conclusion and keep it to myself.