U.S. Economy : The Philosopher's Stone

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posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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Excellent video, my heart goes out to so many good Americans that are suffrering because of the incredible greed of a comparative few.
I have always believed that Empires are built on greed and destroyed by Nepotism and further greed, we are seeing this in action right now!
It is often said that 'when America sneezes England catches a cold', and whatever seems to happen in America, usually results in a scaled down version here sooner or later.
The bankers and politicians worldwide, that have engineered this current situation, need to be hunted down,and brought to Justice, what they have done is beyond outrageous, in fact, I do not possess the words to adequately describe the actions of these depicable people.

In great sadness, and close to tears,

Horsegiver.




posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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From Clinton to Bush we went from center left to far right. This election we went from far right to far left. It really makes you wonder if it was engineered.

The greed and destruction of America financially can be traced back to the early 90's and the sub-prime boom. When I was going to school I worked part time for a 4 person mortgage company running loan packages to title companies. By the time I graduated and it was a short amount of time they had grown into on of the biggest lenders in South East Michigan.

The company was World Wide Financial which then changed to Loan Giant and then closed due to fraud and corruption.

My point here is this melt down started in the early 90's. After Bush was elected he spent billions more on a war that the king makers know would help bankrupt this country.

To me it just seems too engineered to be an accident. Its the one world order and we are being led by the wolf in sheep's clothing. No one party is to blame here. Clinton, Bush and Obama are all part of the same plan.

Edit to add:
This article just about sums up why in part we are where we are.

[edit on 17-12-2008 by northof8]



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:17 AM
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Bush the far right? He spent money like a welfare mother on check day. That is not the way of the far right. Sure he cut some taxes but the skid marks in the American checkbook from the uber spending he did was not anything like far right. Far right would be cut taxes. Shrink the government, not spending like a mad man. It wasn't all on the war..Money went flying all over the place.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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This actually started when we went off the gold standard but really started rolling with Reagan. Reagan started this whole notion of low taxes massive deficits routine. Then Bush 1 followed and Clinton and the nail was Bush II. You cant have big government without the big taxes. This is why you need to shrink government.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Shouldn't the title of this thread be edited? Most Americans don't know the meaning of the word "philosopher". Just ask JK Rowling.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Must say I enjoyed the video and I have started e-mailing that c*&k s#$*ck.
I love flaming ace holes.
cecil.payne@wstreet.com



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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I stand corrected. Greenspan took over in 1987 and Regan did appoint him so I guess it did start before I started to notice the greed machine take over in the early 90's. I didn't pay attention too much before I started to have to worry about the world...



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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Ok, he wasn't far right financially. As far as war he was as far right as you can get. He used our military machine to drive up the national debt and I suspect more money was spent on this war than you know.

I fear Obama will drive up the national debt further by creating his own "civilian military" and turning that machine on us. One way or another they are in the same bed and both are on a mission to destroy this country.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 09:04 AM
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Here. This deficit chart will give you something to think about.





posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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Listen to this song and it will make so much sense about our country's mentality

Artist: State Radio
Song: Fall of the American Empire



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Hey, you won't get an argument from me on that but remember it takes two to tango. Remember who controls congress...
Now we will have one party rule. We will see how well Obama does. Frankly I think we are headed for another Venezuela or worse under his watch...

You think that chart is bad. Wait until the Chicago machine takes over.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by northof8
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Hey, you won't get an argument from me on that but remember it takes two to tango. Remember who controls congress...
Now we will have one party rule. We will see how well Obama does. Frankly I think we are headed for another Venezuela or worse under his watch...

You think that chart is bad. Wait until the Chicago machine takes over.


Oh no dont get me wrong. That isnt a plug for anyone. BOTH of the parties are part of this problem. It is a two party crime family. My point is look at when this crap started that was my point.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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I think it's time some vigilantes start removing these people in power before it's too late...

no, I'm not kidding.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:14 AM
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This is all true and I will not even try to argue any of it. However one must ask one's self a simple question. Why did it happen, and who is ultimately to blame?

We are.

We are the one's who continue to vote for people that represent everyone but us.

To be represented is exactly that, you represent the people whom you serve. Represent, not think for, not make decisions for, represent. These people are supposed to be our voice, yet WE have allowed them to become our brain.

Every six months or so I get a pamphlet from my congressman telling me all of the WONDERFUL things he has done for me. This costs money to print, costs money to employ the people who draft, print, and mail them out. And costs money for postage. Wouldn't it be easier to make a web page and say something like



Here is what is on the agenda for the next session of congress. How do you want me to vote?

tally up the votes and vote according to those you



represent


We do not elect these people to think for us; however. this is what they believe their purpose is. What they think or believe is in fact completely irrelevant, their purpose is NOT to think for us, but to represent us, our desires, and be OUR voice.

This is just not happening, thus we need to fix the machine. When your car is broken, you fix it or replace it with one that works the way it is suppose to. When your washing machine is broken you either fix it or replace it with one that works the way it is supposed to. Yet for some unbeknown reason, when our politicians are broken, we RE-ELECT them. This defies all logic.

So again I would dare to ask, who is really responsible for what is happening here? That's right, we are.

If you have an abscessed tooth, do you just leave it in your mouth hoping that it abscesses more teeth and causes you more grief? Of course not, you have it removed. I simply do not understand the intellect of the American people. I sometimes think we want this stuff to happen just so we can have something to complain about. If we didn't want it to happen, why aren't we doing anything about it?

[edit on 12/17/2008 by DarrylGalasso]



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Look, the government has been propping us up for the past 400 years and through subtle national economic policy it will find a way to do so again. The Fed is limited in it's ability to redistribute capital, the American people don't seem willing to discover new technologies or work very hard, the country is getting totally complacent, and now it's up to the government to do it's job and let the American people live in abject comfort for another few hundred years. Let's go to war!

[edit on 17-12-2008 by cognoscente]



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Novise
Very sobering, but disillusioning. The average american could spend their whole life studying economics and never have the understanding of Schiff and Paul... So how can we ever overcome this?


Like any business we should have done a regular inventory as any business person knows any business that does not do a regualr inventory is doomed to failure!



Originally posted by David9176
Amazing video. It's all there...nicely summed up in a brief 10 minute

This is very serious...and a definite eye opener to anyone who may not have seen this before.


That's one of the problems Big business and Government are spreading the sheets and the little guy is treated like a mushroom!

Kept in the dark and fed crap!



Originally posted by Rockpuck


they turn out to be the only two who spoke the truth.

It honestly is frightening to see where this country is heading.. more so for those of my generation, just out of school and to be shouldering this burden .. I am quite convinced we are in the last era of of the American Empire. Financially, militarially, and culturally..


Whats really sad even almost 30 years ago they knew what was coming down the pike just listen to Reagan here at his First Inaugural Address

It's not like they didnt know!



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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If I was an american i'd put these quotes on billboards and things like that, indicating the date and who said it. (a picture withouta name as the source of the quote might encourage people looking for themselves?). People are still smart enough to recognzie that if someone predicts the future accurately, they must at least be "investigated" if not believed. Something like this could easilybe used to wake people up.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by David9176
..but people voted in the wrong guy for it


Nope, imho people voted for one of the only 2 choices that have been given to them, and the result will be, alas, the same.
I'm sorry to say that!

I'd really really (really) want things to get better and stuff, but I'm sure obama is but the lesser evil, that's because he presented himself better than mccain and he doesn't like to make a fool of himself, and for god's sake... he actually seems educated!

But compare obama to ron paul and obama loses.
Ron Paul should have been the leader of the United States of America, or at least he should have a chance to get voted and not ignored by everyone.

The sad truth is that nobody could ever reach president position if not already corrupted. This is true for nearly every government in existence.



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 11:06 AM
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Think: football, American Idol, video games, fluoride in the water. You get the picture;-)



posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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What worries me is the fact that there have been people warning us about this and nothing has been done to avoid the collapse. Even now during this election the persons who warned us over and over again have been shadowed and pushed away.I find that disturbing.

Every empire meets his downfall sooner or later...i just hope this is not the case for us. Not yet at least.



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