Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by squiz
I agree that the atmosphere does serve some protection, but it kind of sounds like your saying that our atmosphere would be fine without the magnetosphere. As I said before no magnetosphere no atmosphere, (eventually).

I'd also like to mention that this discovery changes conventional views of the interactions with magnetospheres and the solar wind. Even my comment regarding the polarity of the IMF seems to be no longer valid. So all bets are off.

A bit more clarification may be in order. The atmosphere is our primary protection from high energy particles. We would be protected from high energy particles if the magnetosphere were not present. However, as you say, without the magnetosphere our atmosphere would gradually blow away (you're correct that Venus is not a good analog, but it was easier than going through the whole thing about when Mars' magnetosphere may have gone away). Of course, if our atmosphere goes away we won't have to worry much about the effects of cosmic rays, we'll be back to living in caves (sealed).

I have no doubt that we are going to be learning a lot more about the solar wind et al. We haven't been out there touching it for very long at all. Science!

Urm... wouldn't we be dead if we lost our atmosphere ? - I mean.. whats the point in becoming a troglodyte if you have no air to breathe ?

hrmm..

When pollution strikes back, we try to put the blame somewhere else

I doubt pollution caused it. I wonder if the field fails or reverses, will electricity we use fail to work?

Originally posted by zorgon

"1027 particles per second were flowing into the magnetosphere—that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros."

Could anyone help me understand this?

Maybe it was in relation to it's weight or mass? Maybe it was speaking of displacement of other particles from solar wind? Is there some multiplier used when speaking of particle measurement? I've been scouring Wikipedia for help understanding what is being said, but can't get it.

Last time I checked "1027" is "1 followed by a zero - followed by a 2 and a 7".
Not "1 followed by 27 zeros".

Even if he's speaking in terms of how many particles per year are fyling into the magnetosphere from solar wind – it's only 31 billion which is nowhere close to 27,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

What gives? Was he speaking in terms of how many particles per decade or is there some intricate part of measuring particles that adds "27 zeros" that I'm unaware of? I could find nothing in Wikipedia.

Were they trying to show an exponent of 27? I wonder this myself. Anyone have an idea?

Yes, that's exactly what it means.

LOL. If you look at the original reference, you'll see exactly that.

Sorry, I got hung up on that when I read the OP. I didn't even bother to reference that original article. I went straight to Wikipedia trying to figure out why the measurement had such an amplified number. I got so bogged down in solar wind research that I didn't even think about it being a discrepancy from a reposted quote.

My bad ... back to the subject at hand.

Thanks for sharing this data Zorgon! This is the very same kind of data I like to use to slowly wake people up to things in this world.

As stated.. This changes everything we once knew about this subject.
Many times has the poles shifted from one group to another?
Now that we have people making comments in some creditable postions it gives those of us who are trying to explain to others, not all is what it seems...

Thanks again for the research, and info!

if people flew in a shuttle to the moon outside of our magnetic sphere then obviously we have the means to protect ourselves from these solar winds..


we just build the outsides of our houses out of the same stuff that spaceships are made of..

done deal.

Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by zorgon
Well I hope you all stocked up on sunblock...

No, magnetic field breach won't mean more harmful radiation from sun. BUT certain magnetic activities could trigger x-rays or gamma rays which a sunblock lotion could hardly protect you against.

But that is the least of your problem. More and stronger geomagnetic storms could trigger the end of the 'silicon age'. No more computers, cellphones, ipods.

that might be a blessing

Its close enough. And I'm paying big attention to this. All of the 2012 events predicted, even given by black ops, such as Mr. X interviewed by project camelot, a very well known scientist, that even Mr. Hoagland would know. They go on to say, during the Hoagland interview that he predicts massive cmes, magnetic pole shifts, and then crustal ones. The reason they've built all those underground bases.

I've suspected for some time that these incredibly insane madmen who have polluted the entire world with dirty bomb technology for 4.5 billion years would be the cause, direct cause, in other words they DID IT, of whatever stuff goes down over the next 4 years. It won't be an accident. It won't be planet x, it won't be an allignment itself. nada. It will be them, and their insane agenda for this planet.

Okay, I'm all for the idea that we've screwed up with over pollution,

but this has NOTHING to do with pollution.

Unless our garbage is composed primarily of really big magnets, and incredibly powerful disposable batteries pumping out billions of watts even when empty... lol.


Alright, yes, there seems to be a weak point in the magnetosphere. But what people aren't thinking about is the fact that a magnetic field intensifies as you get closer to the source. In this case, the source being earth. (No, not the store previously called radio shack, earth.)

So essentially, that outer region of the magnetosphere has fluctuated leaving only a small field of repulsion, but the rest of the field, all the way back to earth, is still there and capable of doing the same job.

If you see that repulsion zone get really close to earth... then you can start panicking.
I'll be right there with you.


But no, there's no doom and gloom scenario here... just the notion that we didn't think the repulsion zone of a magnetic field could 'thin out' abruptly like that.

So praise be to the witch god, with snake heads or whatever strange mythical being you people are idolizing these days.