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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:15 PM by DangerDeath
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Who did this?
Why wasn't I informed?
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:17 PM by Phage
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:24 PM by basilray
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:03 PM by PatrickMC2
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What up everyone - reader for years, first post. Love the brainpower and quick wit on this board...not to mention the overall obective to search for
truth.
Maybe I read the NASA article incorrectly, but the THEMIS mission was launched in February of 2007 and the discovery came in July of 2007 when the
"five probes serendipitously flew through the breach just as it was opening.." I think its quite possible that the magnetic anomaly could be a
common occurance and this just happens to be the first time we actually measured it. Consider that in reality, the "surprise" came only 5 months
after the program was initiated (not sure if there have been previous NASA missions in this regard).
Think of any groundbreaking scientific development, and I'll show you a surprised scientist who conducted the experiment and/or research. Any step
closer to the absolute truth is a step in the right direction....
P=MC2
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:12 PM by WatchNLearn
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My thoughts exactly! It STINKS of HAARP.
Without a magnetic field most of Earth will die. People will not even be able to walk outside for fear of being burnt to death by radiation or cosmic
rays, x-rays, gamma rays etc. Not to mention we will loose our atmosphere.
Indeed, Earth will become Mar's twin. I hope the guys at HAARP thought it was all worth while!
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:14 PM by arkie007
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NASA may just be finding this out, but the Discovery channel has ran at least two programs about the change in the magntic field in the Atlantic Ocean
in the southern hemisphere. Speculation is that it is a cyclical event that precludes a shifting of the magnetic poles.
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:25 PM by soma_pills
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Originally posted by zorgon
Why did this not make main stream news?
On the Yahoo front page right now link
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Muundoggie
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And now the latest Global Warming News
WASHINGTON - More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data
that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming.
green.yahoo.com...
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:39 PM by squiz
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Originally posted by Phage
The magnetosphere is not the only protection from the solar wind. Venus has no planetary magnetosphere and has a dense atmosphere. In lieu of a
planetary magnetic field, an induced magnetic field forms, produced by interactions between the solar wind and the ionosphere. It would take a very
long time with no planetary magnetosphere for our atmosphere to be stripped away if it happened at all.
The comparison to Venus may not be valid, I believe Velikovsky was correct in that Venus is a young planet and is still finding electrical
equilibrium. The runaway greenhouse effect is a myth.
Planets with a weak or non-existent magnetosphere are subject to atmospheric stripping by the solar wind.
Venus, the nearest planet to Earth, has an atmosphere 100 times denser than our own. Modern space probes have discovered a comet-like tail that
stretches back to the orbit of the Earth.[28]
Hmm... a cometary tail?
Mars is larger than Mercury and four times farther from the sun, and yet even here it is thought that the solar wind has stripped away up to a
third of its original atmosphere, leaving a layer 100 times less dense than the Earth's. It is believed the mechanism for this atmospheric stripping
is gas being caught in bubbles of magnetic field, which are ripped off by solar winds.
en.wikipedia.org...
Ewww, I used wikipedia as reference.
It probably would take a long to to strip the atmosphere, but it does happen, it's happening on Mars and Venus as mentioned above.
Solar Wind Rips up Martian Atmosphere
Obseving the atmospheres of Venus and
Mars leaking into space
I'm talking about both UV radiation and high energy particles (both cosmic rays and the high energy particles from the sun). The magnetosphere
does intercept some of these but even if it didn't, the atmosphere still would. The atmosphere can deal with high energy particles better than the
magnetosphere can. Of course, in case of a gamma ray burst or some other truly awesome event, neither our magnetosphere nor our atmosphere would help.
But for the ordinary, everyday stuff, the atmosphere works fine.
Thanks for the clarification, however I'd have to disagree with the Venus comparison. It may have a thick atmosphere but it is still being
stripped.
It's just a baby is all.
I agree that the atmosphere does serve some protection, but it kind of sounds like your saying that our atmosphere would be fine without the
magnetosphere. As I said before no magnetosphere no atmosphere, (eventually).
I'd also like to mention that this discovery changes conventional views of the interactions with magnetospheres and the solar wind. Even my comment
regarding the polarity of the IMF seems to be no longer valid. So all bets are off.
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:50 PM by Chadwickus
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Could this be related to the sun being at solar minimum?
Is it a coincidence that the breach has occurred at the same time as the solar minimum?
If it is related, then the magnetic field will increase as the sun's activity increases.
Or I'm completely wrong
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:51 PM by Phage
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Originally posted by squiz
I agree that the atmosphere does serve some protection, but it kind of sounds like your saying that our atmosphere would be fine without the
magnetosphere. As I said before no magnetosphere no atmosphere, (eventually).
I'd also like to mention that this discovery changes conventional views of the interactions with magnetospheres and the solar wind. Even my comment
regarding the polarity of the IMF seems to be no longer valid. So all bets are off.
A bit more clarification may be in order. The atmosphere is our primary protection from high energy particles. We would be protected from high energy
particles if the magnetosphere were not present. However, as you say, without the magnetosphere our atmosphere would gradually blow away (you're
correct that Venus is not a good analog, but it was easier than going through the whole thing about when Mars' magnetosphere may have gone away). Of
course, if our atmosphere goes away we won't have to worry much about the effects of cosmic rays, we'll be back to living in caves (sealed).
I have no doubt that we are going to be learning a lot more about the solar wind et al. We haven't been out there touching it for very long at all.
Science!
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 10:55 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by soma_pills
On the Yahoo front page right now link
 only posted by AP 2 hrs 27 mins ago
Hehe ATS beats AP out the door
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:02 PM by soma_pills
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
Could this be related to the sun being at solar minimum?
Is it a coincidence that the breach has occurred at the same time as the solar minimum?
If it is related, then the magnetic field will increase as the sun's activity increases.
Or I'm completely wrong
I've been trying to figure that out as well. If you want to confuse yourself even further, checkout the wealth of data related to the current solar
cycle on this site: link.
My question is, what happens if there is one of these 'breaches' and a CME occurs which is pointed towards earth? I mean this must have happened
before. Just because they recently discovered the breaches doesn't mean they haven't been there a while (right?).
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:04 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by Phage
kook
Well maybe but I'm a nice kook... keep you hopping to keep up with me and alleviate your boredom
I believe if you look at the bottom of the post you answered you will notice I gave that thread...
right below THIS
"It appears the Nuke part of the story may be bunk, but the seismic record isn't so SOMETHING caused that record. "
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:06 PM by soma_pills
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Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by soma_pills
On the Yahoo front page right now link
 only posted by AP 2 hrs 27 mins ago
Hehe ATS beats AP out the door
It's funny because the first thing I did when I saw it on Yahoo was come to ATS...and there was your post already on the front page! Way to beat the
MSM.
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:12 PM by Phage
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I would never call you a kook, Zorgon.
I was referring to the kook who wrote the "article".
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:15 PM by Springheel Jack
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Hey Watch, just doesnt suprise me. I read about this somewhere....hmmmm...oh yes...
Revelation 16:8-9 (New International Version)
8The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire.
9They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
Now let the flames BEGIN!
Lol, but it is curious that a guy 2000 years ago predicted this.
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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 11:17 PM by Phage
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Predicted what? A geomagnetic storm might result in some problems with your ipod but you won't feel a thing.
[edit on 12/16/2008 by Phage]
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reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 12:25 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by Phage
I would never call you a kook, Zorgon.
I was referring to the kook who wrote the "article".
Okay
HEY here is something WEIRD to toss into the ring...
The DAY BEFORE this hole appears.. they reported this
Seems the Universe is tossing more surprises at NASA scientists
Solar Flare Surprise
Above: The X9-class solar flare of Dec. 5, 2006, observed by the Solar X-Ray Imager aboard NOAA's GOES-13 satellite.
Big Picture
Dec. 15, 2008: Solar flares are the most powerful explosions in the solar system. Packing a punch equal to a hundred million hydrogen bombs, they
obliterate everything in their immediate vicinity. Not a single atom should remain intact.
At least that's how it's supposed to work.
"We've detected a stream of perfectly intact hydrogen atoms shooting out of an X-class solar flare," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "What a
surprise! These atoms could be telling us something new about what happens inside flares."
science.nasa.gov...
The event occurred on Dec. 5, 2006. A large sunspot rounded the sun's eastern limb and with little warning it exploded. On the "Richter scale" of
flares, which ranks X1 as a big event, the blast registered X9, making it one of the strongest flares of the past 30 years.
NASA managers braced themselves. Such a ferocious blast usually produces a blizzard of high-energy particles dangerous to both satellites and
astronauts. Indeed, moments after the explosion, radio emissions from a shock wave in the sun's atmosphere signaled that a swarm of particles was on
its way.
An hour later they arrived. But they were not the particles researchers expected.
..
[edit on 17-12-2008 by zorgon]
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