The coming attack on ATS by MSM

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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Yoda411
Oh, and my new subject for debate is against literal creationists.

Evolusion is Science, Creationists Delusional


That sounds an awful lot like something we would agree on. Where is the fun in that?




posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 12:14 AM
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Just think of it this way: ATS may get some free publicity! Look how popular YouTube became after being mentioned on T.V. so often.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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Wouldn't that be nice?

Unfortunately, the ABC article doesn't bother mentioning sites that are on the approachable end of conspiracy theories, just the way-out ones.

No mention of ATS



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 02:04 AM
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No mention of any external links to conspiracy theory websites. Did you really expect us to be plugged?



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 02:22 AM
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It would have given the article a bit more balance than only plugging Icke's site and the support site for victims of "gang stalking".

There were 2 links to "conspiracy websites" in the article. Only those two.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 02:39 AM
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I think conspiracy sites can affect some people.

My example.

- Joe Smith goes on the internet looking for UFO videos, finds ATS.
- See's some seemingly professional guy talking about "reptilians" living amongst us.
- Starts to tell people reltilians are real.
- People think he's insane.
*He probably is*



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 05:28 AM
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posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat
reply to post by ZenaV
 


Wouldn't that be nice?

Unfortunately, the ABC article doesn't bother mentioning sites that are on the approachable end of conspiracy theories, just the way-out ones.

No mention of ATS


David Icke is not that far out there, sure the lizard idea is hard to swallow, but I keep an open mind, but the rest of his ideas are pretty good.

Also the other site mentioned in the article has a lot of good real world information. Maybe you should check out the sites.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat
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It would have given the article a bit more balance than only plugging Icke's site and the support site for victims of "gang stalking".

There were 2 links to "conspiracy websites" in the article. Only those two.


Yeah and the Gang Stalking World site was also quoted in the New York Times article also.

They came back with two responses for the most recent article. I will post parts of both.
gangstalkingworld.com...

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ABC News


What's Behind Internet Conspiracy Empires? Apparently the truth. From the comments being posting on the article, it's apparently the average person being sick and tired of the mainstream media feeding them the same information day in and day out that does not explain or answer some of the questions that they are seeking answers to. They are therefore seeking out alternative points of view. You know thinking outside of the box, asking questions and trying to find answers.


Then the second response article which is title conspiracy.
GSW

Proving the conspiracy.
ABC News
I was just thinking about the ABC.com article that came out recently asking what is behind the Internet Conspiracy Empires? I think it's a good question, and so I thought I would take you back through some of the conspiracies that we have looked at over the last couple of years. They will not all be conspiracies, but they will help to show why I have drawn my conclusion about our current conspiracy, and what is behind Gang Stalking.

The Snitching System.

www.thejusticeproject.org...

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"The history of the snitch is long and inglorious, dating to the common law. In old England, snitches were ubiquitous.Their motives, then as now, were unholy. In the 18th Century, Parliament prescribed monetary rewards—blood money—for snitches, who were turned back onto the streets where they were, in the words of one contemporary commentator,“the contempt and terror of society.”

"The system produced a cycle of betrayal in which each snitch knew he might find himself soon in the dock confronted by another snitch."


Guardian

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BSC invented a game called “Vik“, described as “a fascinating new pastime for lovers of democracy”. Printed booklets described up to 500 ways of harassing and annoying Nazi sympathisers. Players of Vik were encouraged to ring up their targets at all hours of the night and hang up. Dead rats could be put in water tanks, air could be let out of the subject's car tyres, anonymous deliveries could be made to his house and so on. In the summer of 1941, BSC sent a sham Hungarian astrologer to the US called Louis de Wohl. At a press conference De Wohl said he had been studying Hitler's astrological chart and could see nothing but disaster ahead for the German dictator. De Wohl became a minor celebrity and went on tour through the US, issuing similar dire prognostications about Hitler and his allies. De Wohl's wholly bogus predictions were widely published.


I have never been able to locate the booklet with the 500 ways of harassing those that were anti-war


Read the rest.

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posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:21 AM
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but I am sure some of those methods survived to this time period.

Here are some more amazing details about this agency that was set up by a foreign body on U.S. soil for the sole purpose of manipulating the population intogoing to war. This would have continued, but conveniently ended when the Japanese hit pearl harbour, what a unique coincidence.


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BSC was set up by a Canadian entrepreneur called William Stephenson, working on behalf of the British Secret Intelligence Services (SIS). An office was opened in the Rockefeller Centre in Manhattan with the discreet compliance of Roosevelt and J Edgar Hoover of the FBI. But nobody on the American side of the fence knew what BSC's full agenda was nor, indeed, what would be the massive scale of its operations. What eventually occurred as 1940 became 1941 was that BSC became a huge secret agency of nationwide news manipulation and black propaganda. Pro-British and anti-German stories were planted in American newspapers and broadcast on American radio stations, and simultaneously a campaign of harassment and denigration was set in motion against those organisations perceived to be pro-Nazi or virulently isolationist (such as the notoriously anti-British America First Committee - it had more than a million paid-up members).



Operation Gladio

An actual operation that hired agents and had them in keeping in such a time as when they were needed. This is another jewel that came to light while doing research into Gang Stalking.

Operation Gladio

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Emblem of NATO's “stay-behind” paramilitary organizations.After World War II, the UK and the US decided to create “stay-behind” paramilitary organizations, with the official aim of countering a possible Soviet invasion through sabotage and guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines. Arms caches were hidden, escape routes prepared, and loyal members recruited: i.e. mainly hardline anticommunists, including many ex-Nazis or former fascists, whether in Italy or in other European countries. In Germany, for example, Gladio had as a central focus the Gehlen Org — also involved in ODESSA “ratlines” — named after Reinhard Gehlen who would become West Germany's first head of intelligence, while the predominantly Italian P2 masonic lodge was composed of many members of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI), including Licio Gelli. Its clandestine “cells” were to stay behind (hence the name) in enemy controlled territory and to act as resistance movements, conducting sabotage, guerrilla warfare and assassinations.


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“Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, armed with underground arms-caches, prepared against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Ireland, Sweden and Switzerland.


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posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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armies. We however know that with other similar programs they are never shut down, they are just repackaged and start up again. That is one heck of a conspiracy. Secret armies in many European countries set up by the U.S. and the U.K.

Red Squads

Not so much a conspiracy, but a little known wing of the police that exists in many countries around the world. Set up for the sole purpose of destroying dissidence. During Cointelpro and the Canadian VIP program they worked closely with the government to neutralize dissidence.



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The cops love these free-wheeling, elite units. They were ostensibly created to combat terrorism, but have been used mostly to infiltrate and suppress liberal and radical political organizations and civil rights groups. They lift their members out of the routine of police work into something of a James Bond life. As Frank Donner points out in this excellently researched, thoughtful and well-detailed study of police spying, their excesses have been many. But Donner, who directed the American Civil Liberties Project on Political Surveillance, concludes with the chilling thought that the Red squads will be around long after there are any Reds.



These groups go back over a hundred years, as each new wave of immigrant population introduced themselves Red Squads were there, using informants to infiltrate, get information and help to disrupt these groups, movements, and unions. With other infiltration programs the idea is to try to get the corportion of members of the infiltrated groups, by asking some of them to become informants. Once you are an informant for the system, you are always considered an informant for the system.


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Worse yet, the information, and misinformation, gathered by these sleuths is fed into the growing number of intelligence networks maintained by federal, state and local law-enforcement organizations. In the computer age, if you attend a left-wing meeting in Echo Park, your name is likely to be spread as far as New York.
As Donner points out, the squads are not a recent invention. One of his most important contributions is tracing the history of the Red squads, showing how deeply rooted they are in American political, social and economic life….


Elite branches of the police designed to squash dissident and protect against perceived threats to the status quo.

Red Squad

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In New York, former City Police Commissioner Patrick Murphy traced their origin there to an "Italian Squad" formed in 1904 to monitor a group of Italian immigrants under suspicion[1]. However, it is their association with fighting communism which provides the basis for the name "Red Squad." They became more commonplace in the 1930s, often conceived of as a countermeasure to Communist organizers who were charged with executing a policy of dual unionism - namely, building a revolutionary movement in parallel with membership in above-ground labor organizations. Similar units were established in Canada in this period, although only the Toronto police used the name.


Alexandra Natapoff

ACLU

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The use of criminal informants in the U.S. justice system has become a flourishing socio-legal institution. Every year, tens of thousands of criminal suspects, many of them drug offenders concentrated in inner-city neighborhoods, informally negotiate away liability in exchange for promised cooperation, while law enforcement at the local, state and federal levels rely on ever greater numbers of criminal actors in making basic decisions about investigations and prosecutions. While this marriage of convenience is fraught with peril, it is nearly devoid of judicial or public scrutiny as to the propriety, fairness, or utility of the deals being struck. At the same time, it is a quintessential expression of some of the most contentious characteristics of the modern criminal system: law enforcement discretion, secrecy, and the increasing informality of the adjudication process.


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posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:26 AM
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The Article also hypothesizes the harms imposed by the informant institution on socially disadvantaged, high-crime communities in which snitching is common. These harms may include increased crime, the erosion of trust in interpersonal, familial and community relationships and other psychological damage created by pervasive informing, the communal loss of faith in the state, and the undermining of law-abiding norms flowing from law enforcement's rewarding of and complicity in snitch wrongdoing.

Many people see this article and assume it's an inner city problem, but it's not. This is a societal problem. These informant programs are not just going after African American males, they are going after the females, and they are going after other communities. They started in these communities, and these communities currently have higher ratios of Informants, but then it branches out.

Imagine a society where over 50% of your community is a potential snitch? Imagine what that does to the heart and soul of a society? Some people don't have to imagine because they have already been through something very similar.


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Razor Wire

"As summer travel ebbed, I dove into the study of
the informant system, as pertains to those whom the police arrest, then pressure to go back into their
places of home and work and set others up for arrest."


How many informants do we have in communities? We can’t measure it because of this secret system, but experts have some guesses.

"Because researchers know what is behind the search warrants granted, they know that almost 98% of the time the police don’t have any goods on anyone, just a confidential informant. A lot of informing is going on, and it’s escalating."



Hoffman (image)


Meet Rachel Hoffman she was a 23-year-old Florida State psychology graduate, she is also the face of snitching. Rachel earlier this year agreed to become an Informant to lower her sentence for a drug conviction. She was killed while making a drug purchase for the police to help reduce her drug sentence. Informants come from a variety of social and economical backgrounds and once caught up in the system, many will do anything to escape prison sentences normally offered for much more severe crimes.



Final Night

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Immediately after Tallahassee police raided her apartment April 17, Hoffman went to her boyfriend's house and told him about the deal she'd cut. Over the next three weeks, she would tell him and Liza all about her work as a confidential informant.

"They wanted her to turn in her friends, and she wouldn't do that," said Liza, a 24-year-old FSU graduate student. "She said she wanted to get some grimy people off the street. She wanted to get bad guys."



At first she agreed to give up a guy she knew who dealt drugs and sometimes bought pot from her, her friends said. But after one controlled call from the police station, she confessed to him she was working for the police and asked him to help her find someone else to turn in.

She was killed during a sting that went wrong. She was an inexperienced 23 year old, who didn't want to go to jail, didn't want her parents to find out, and thought this would be a cool way to work off her sentence. She paid the ultimate price for it.


Honestly just read the rest of the article. There have been a lot of conspiracies that are hard to believe, or that you would not believe, but it does not mean that it's not true.

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posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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It is true what ABC says.

Some (too much) people get inspired by ideas of paranoid cranks and specially people who aren't mentally in balance are sensitive for scary thoughts.

There are real conspiracies, yes. But linking a true news article with the idea of totally enslavement is nonsense.

Why they are attacking some conspiracy believers in public via on of the largest tv networks in the world?

Why is ATS not part of a big nasty conspiracy, or Alex Jones or David Icke?

Maybe infowars.com tracks down IP adresses so a secret organization know who can be a danger? Why can a guy from Texas have the time and money to spread much nonsens. I can believe A Jones is truely honest about his ideas, but his ideas are often false.

One little example:

Like fluorid. He claimes that 'they' (whoever that may be) are poisining us with adding fluorid in the watersystem. You have to know that fluorid is a natural mineral. One of the basic elements of nature. You find it everywhere in the nature. Even in TEA. FLUORID is good for your TEETH!!



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Gnozt
It is true what ABC says.



Did you not read the last 16 pages where the two other people that believed that got trounced by facts, logic, and actual research?



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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I can see it now...

A man "arrested" for murder.

His motive...he was online...stumbled upon ATS. Got all this information about Reptilians from members...decides to take these reptilians out...and kills his neighbor and the neighbors' family members.

Then...you'll see us on the news. We're wackjobs...and they'll probably want to put a stop to us. I feel sorry for whoever they hire to carry out that "killer from ATS" role.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Harassment101

David Icke is not that far out there, sure the lizard idea is hard to swallow, but I keep an open mind, but the rest of his ideas are pretty good.

Also the other site mentioned in the article has a lot of good real world information. Maybe you should check out the sites.


I want to be clear that I was talking from the perspective of the general public, not necessarily my own perspective.

If you're new to conspiracy theories, David Icke is pretty far out there, and gang stalking is something that most people would do almost anything not to believe in.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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I am still under the opinion that mainstream media is still in the propaganda stage. They will always attack the parts that maintain the truth, and offer the general public to express their opinions freely and honestly. I also find it truly sad that in this modern age this is still the "norm", not the exception. Keep up the good work, ladies and gentlemen, as you have all of us here backing your efforts. We appreciate your hard work.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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I would like to post a video of President John F Kennedy and his though on freedom of the press and warning of those that work to take away our rights .




www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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I would just like to say, it's interesting to know the world is basically owned by 6 major shareholders. E.g. The list of things Ruper Murdoch/News Corp owns (en.wikipedia.org...) is rather insane, and makes you wonder, if all this is under one person's authority, how bias can the information be? Seriously, check the link out.

So if, 6 major corps own our world, how are we to know what we see everyday isn't intended to change our perception to what they want.

The article, verily is an example of propaganda.





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