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reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 02:47 AM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by BlackOps719



We need an ATS thread dedicated to Network clips...

(not one liner)



reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 03:27 AM by JipStix
reply to post by Yoda411



I have to say that there is some truth to what you're saying, but that I don't wholly agree with it.

The fact that they went out of their way to get PhD Psychologists to comment on conspiracy websites amplifying delusional tendencies says something.

It says that they thought it was important enough to do. If they wanted to mock a conspiracy website like ATS, or any other alternative discussion forum, they would have done so.

Instead, they made an effort to get a professional commentary on the issue.

I have a degree in Journalism. I thoroughly know how "fact-checking" works, and also know how the industry works. You don't have to lie or falsify information in order to shape someone's opinion. All you have to do is present the information in a certain way that would evoke a certain response.

For example, if I were to do a story on 'Global Warming' for corporate news, and I wanted to show how it has affected ice volume in the Arctic, I would do the following.

(Following is a fictitious story used for illustrative purposes)

If the execs wanted the story to support the idea of global warming, I would scour statistics, reports, and studies for evidence that would support my view that ice volume has been decreasing rapidly.

Say if I found a statistic that said, "The Hellburger Ice Sheet has lost 30% of its mass in the past 6 months," I would certainly use it. I wouldn't mention that other ice sheets in the world had gained proportional amounts, or I would put that information at the bottom of the story.

I wouldn't be lying because it actually did lose 30% of its mass, but I would be presenting the facts in a certain way that shapes public perception.

People would see the headline "Hellburger Ice Sheet Sheds 30% of Mass: Global Warming?"

Most wouldn't even bother to read the story, because it's already a foregone conclusion that it's caused by global warming.

Possible reactions:

"Of course it's caused by Global Warming. 30%! Wow that's a huge number, it's gotta be global warming."

"I think this is just more evidence that Global Warming is real."

The people that did read the story likely wouldn't read to the bottom, and therefore wouldn't get the whole picture.

I could also bring in some 'expert' that agrees with the story and put his quote in a prominent position.

It might be something like,

"Of course it's caused by Global Warming. An ice sheet like this just doesn't lose 30% of its mass in 6 months under normal circumstances."

I might also have a dissenting viewpoint, but I would stack the article against him in order to make him look stupid.

His quote might be something like,

"It's important to remember that this is only one ice sheet out of a few that lost mass"

Or:

"It's important to note that other glaciers have gained mass in the same time frame."

I would place a statistic before his quote that read something like;

Over the past 15 years the temperature has increased by 1 degree celsius.
While most experts believe this is due to global warming, Dr. _____ seems to think otherwise.

Do you see how this works? You stack the article against the opposing viewpoint, in order to convey a certain message or shape public perception.

This obviously won't fool an expert or well-informed citizen, but the goal wouldn't be to fool them, it would be to fool the majority of people.

EDIT:

I would also like to note that Mainstream Media is much more guilty of amplifying fear and mental illness than a conspiracy website.

Because of the stories they choose to report on, we are fed a false sense of reality, much like ABC would suggest conspiracy websites do.

It's not that MSM lies consistently, it's that they prevent facts in a skewed way to achieve a desired perception or reaction.

ALSO:

With regards to 'Studies,' a media outlet selectively decides which studies to report on, so don't think they randomly choose them. In all likelihood, I think that money dictates which studies they report on, and which they don't.

Reporting on a study is one of the easiest ways to sway public opinion, because you're not actually skewing any facts, you are merely reporting.

This is a more 'guilt-free' method of deceiving the public, because you're not making up the facts, you're just conveying information someone else came up with.

The key is that the media CHOOSES which ones to report on, and therefore can be insidious gatekeepers.

NOTE:

I am not saying all media outlets are like this, or that most journalists are heartless immoral people. I am saying that some are, and that the methods above might be how they influence public opinion.

[edit on 17-12-2008 by JipStix]


reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 05:50 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by Yoda411
reply to
post by americandingbat



Why would ABC want to falsely distort ones perception on conspiracy theorists?


Why would ABC chuck there journalistic integrity to air an opinion only hit piece?


reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 08:52 AM by DrumJunkie
Well,,The MSM is all about creating stories that might keep people from getting up and rummaging through the frige for the rest of that pizza. So they do a piece on conspiracy sites. Was this site mentioned by name? and if it was so what? The internet is as full of BS as the MSM. I can make a website in no time that can say whatever I want but that don't make it true. Just like they can in the MSM.

I've been to more than one website that caused me to want to adjust my tin foil hat. As I'm sure many of you have too. I've watched many a news show that tried to do the same. And I'm sure there is a heaping helping of true nut jobs that search out sites that will help support whatever flavor of paranoia they are seeing to support. There may well be some here.

I don't think anyone can believe that TV or the internet can make someone tip over to the dark side of sanity. It might make a few people reclusive and fat though

MSM tries to cater to the audience they think is sitting there and don't want to look for their remote. so that way they can tell the advertisers that they are getting their moneys worth. They haven't been able to get farm porn off the net. What makes anyone think they can a well rounded discussion website. Just about every topic I've seen on this site has a pro and con group and both seem to be pretty vocal in their theories or abilities in fact checking. So I think we would sell ATS short in just calling it a conspiracy theory site. It's a site where we can bring up a theory then get opinions from all sides...Even the paranoid

Not ABC or any of the other letters of the alphabet are going to try to kill it. They just want people to watch long enough to make the sponsors happy.


reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 09:15 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by northof8
The only attack by the MSM on ATS will be in the form of death throws. It will be like a tantrum of a 2 year old. My local newspapers here in Detroit are already at deaths door. They just don't get it. They are cutting down to 3 days of local delivery when what they should do is stop printing altogether.

In the end I don't think the government or the media wants to really take on a site like ATS. Would we not thrive in that type of environment? People that participate in discussions here are made for that type of adversarial internet combat!

In fact as I sit here drinking my coffee from my ATS coffee mug I dare any government or non-government entity to try it. How utterly foolish would we make them look?


But what if this is the setup. Plant this idea now. In a few weeks another story, maybe a specific theory. Work up some real ire against Icke or Jones or any of them. "These guys are making money telling you lizards steal your kids, be mad at them. Grrrrrrrr"

In a few months some guy will shoot some people. They will tell us all the crazy sites like this he visited when they look at his computer (after he kills himself or is shot in pursuit). Let's get more bad doctors on tv to tell people in a round about way, since we have no proof, that this man would have been ok with some meds and not going to these sites. People like Yoda will agree and feel vindicated. They will trample the innocent dead to bring their "SEE! TOLD YA" to my front step.

The fear will spread and the talk will boil. "Conspiracy websites are the kind of thing that lead to campus shootings and spree killing and mass murder." And it will be eaten like so much buttery sugar. Then, when Time Warner explains how it is expanding it's already in place web censoring system, it will not only make sense to Yoda, it will seem necessary and be ushered in with little opposition.

Everyone will forget that these exact same atrocities have been happening all along without any help from the web. Columbine, Virginia Tech, Son of Sam. Take your pick, any crime they use to prove their point will have a counterpart predating the web that will soon be forgotten under the context of a new fear for the people to enjoy. But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong but I really hate bloody footprints on my mat.

[edit on 17-12-2008 by angel of lightangelo]
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