Send shoes to the Whitehouse

reply to post by alienj

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I thought that in "America the Great" only the people who can't afford it go to jail..i.e. If you've got the money you don't have to do the time.

right...

Well, there are far more than a thousand variations on not sending your shoe to the White House, and as I said, they would all be better ways to voice your opinion.

Posting on over a thousand different forums and message boards and NOT sending your shoe to the White House, for example.

I don't have to list every internet forum and message board, do I?

Even eating pizza (which I'm doing now) and NOT sending your shoe to the White House would be a better way to voice your opinion.
That opinion being, that many Americans would not stoop to the level of sending their shoe to the White House, and would instead partake in a nice sausage pizza.

reply to post by TruthParadox

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nice and passive...that's how they like 'm.

You're right... It's not stupid to send your old shoe to the White House...
Forget the fact that it won't prove anything except that you're willing to stoop as low as to send your shoe to the White House. Nice plan.



I'm not judging anyone, in that sense. I'm pointing out how stupid this plan is, in hopes that people will judge their own actions.



mKay.

I think it is funny that we would send shoes to the white house when the President is just one man involved in the failures of this country. how about sending them to congress whos current rating is hanging at a 20%. and imagine my surprise that these low approval ratings our from a democratic controlled congress, and 4 years ago the GOP controlled congress they have had similar disapproval ratings, but yet we still vote these Idoits in charge. So if you want to send an old dirty pair of sneakers to someone send them to yourselfs.

Many people of renown feel differently:

www.prosecutionofbush.com...



Biden was even talking about stomping on our little corporal:

www.guardian.co.uk...



We'll see what happens soon enough.........

Eating a Pizza?!
How much does that cost?! $15.00.

What I am simply doing is: putting an old pair of shoes in a box
mailing them to the Whitehouse. It's done. Mailed. Gone. On their way.
It cost $7.50

You'd rather spend $15.00 on a pizza and think you are voicing your
opinion. True patriot. Sausage too?!.. hmm.. I won't go there.

I'd rather spend $7.50 and place the responsibility of discarding,
my sweaty, disgusting, worn out, dirty and dingy shoes to the
Whitehouse.

That's what makes us different which in turn makes us human.
You are simply no better than anyone else on here. Congrats for
having the Patriotic Pizza Party. But don't dare go around playing
the stupidity judge.

It is how 'they' like "'m"...
Not sending a shoe would show that we are above that, thus sending the most powerful message of all.

But go ahead with all your plans.
Sorry to step in here and try to talk sense into some people.
I do it because I don't like the image we're portraying and would rather not make it even worse (that's one of my reasons anyway...).
Wouldn't it be more mature to spread the word through thousands (as I said) of avenues which would appeal to a persons logic and not their blind anger?
Wouldn't it also be more effective?
Whatever.
Have fun sending those old shoes.
I hope you feel like you have accomplished something, atleast...

I have been waterboarded and it is a much more efficent way to get information out of people, then beating people. you know the arabs way of torture taking your head off then posting it all over the web.

So...not doing anything is the most powerfull message of all??



Who asked you to talk sense into people. And what is your def. of sense??



huh??...




Sending a shoe is blind anger??



What, talking on internet forums with like minded people while eating pizza......don't see it, please explain



Besides p*ssing you off.....yeah i think it would accomplish something...



[edit on 16/12/2008 by operation mindcrime]

reply to post by TruthParadox

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I think your problem is the condescending tone in your posts.

People have chosen to mail their shoes, who do you think you are going about judging them by that? Because in fact you are placing judgement. I'll explain that using "logic".

You call the action stupid, therefore what does that make the people who partake in the action?

You voiced your opinion, which is ALWAYS appreciated, yet you continue to prolong the debate on what was meant to be a light and humorous post. Furthermore, with every response, you grow more and more disrespectful. What does that say to me? That you obviously think that much more highly of yourself and you revel in attempting to prove that to those who are opposing you.

Grats on being 19, you're what? Less than a quarter of a century old. Maybe in your classroom you can pull off the high and mighty routine, but these forums aren't the kind of school you can just walk around with your chest puffed out like a rooster.

On topic:
I actually felt bad for Bush when they threw the shoe at him, it hurt me to see how some treat the President of our country. That's like if Queen Elizabeth decided to visit and our journalist decided to throw shoes at her, like HELLO SHE'S THE QUEEN.

Regardless of what blasphemies Bush has committed he is STILL POTUS, and will still be referred to as Mr. President even after he's out of office. I saw it as a sign of MAJOR disrespect.

But then again, and this was stated before in this thread, respect is earned, and he really hasn't done much to earn our respect either, so while I think it's sad that OUR country's most esteemed Ambassadorial position was basically spit upon, I'd still send the shoe, I don't think they'd get offended, or flip out and enact more anti-terrorism laws...in fact I think ol' Dubbya would find it kinda funny.

haha

-JR

[edit on 16-12-2008 by bandaidctrl]

No, showing that we are above the ignorant masses and would never do something so ridiculous as to send a shoe to the White House sends the most powerful message of all...
I really wish you would read my words instead of gloss over them...



What kind of ridiculous question is that? No one asked me to talk sense into people... Who asked you to send a shoe to the White House?...
I like talking sense to people because I haven't given up on humanity.




It's not a great message for other countries to see that we are sending shoes to the White House. Not very united of the United States of America...
We will always have disagreements, but to voice your opinion in such an immature way does not send a good message.




It has to be.
Afterall, there's no logical reason to do it.



Well, many people would have a better view of a person who tries to convince others using logic and reason rather than someone rashly sending their shoe to the White House.
I can't 'explain it to you' if you refuse to see how silly it is...



I'm not like you, I don't get pissed of that easily .
Don't worry, you won't find an old shoe in your mail box ...

You say it would accomplish something.
Would you mind explaining what and how?

The only reason I would recommend against doing this is:

1. They would have your name on the package.
2. Your shoes almost certainly contain your DNA, therefore the Government would have a rudimentary sample of your DNA and your name to go with it. Not a good idea for those of you who lean more toward paranoia.

Logic always trumps blind emotions.
That's a fact and I can't change it .
I mean no disrespect.



The action is stupid because of what it's based on - emotions. It's not thought through logically. I'm not attacking these people intellegence, I'm pointing out the fact that they aren't using it - which is very different once you think about it.



I made a point and then was attacked so I tried to explain my reasoning.



I really don't think I've been disrespectful (at least not as much as many on here are to me)...
I'm simply trying to show how illogical it is to send your shoe to the White House lol... It's not a hard concept, and no one has yet to explain what good it will do...




I think highly of logic and reason and those who use it. I'm not trying to say anything other than what I have said, and if those points are flawed then someone please explain to me how sending your shoe to the White House would make a positive difference.




See, now that was personal.
I made logical arguments which still stand.
Attack those arguments, not me.
I'm not trying to prove anything except how ridiculous this plan is...
I wish people would read my words instead of trying to devise some hidden agenda...
There's always a hidden agenda lol...

I suppose when someone makes a good point, no one thinks about the point, they just think the person is an arrogant jackass.
Learn something new everyday huh?

So you're not sending a shoe or anything else (incl. a message)...right??



Well acually roadgravel did. I thought it was a funny ,non violent way of showing your opinion. But please start talking sense anytime you see fit.



I am from one of those other countries and believe me it wouldn't hurt the credibility of the american people if they did. As a matter of fact i do believe it is what we would do if it would concern us.



Sending a shoe is blind anger??



Silly, non violent and yet stating your opinion in a clear way....







When did i say it would accomplish something? If anything it would show your goverment that the american people are still a collective and they cannot be ignored. They amount of shoes rep. the amount of people that would stand up if any goverment would dare to ignore them.....or something like that. Believe me ,over here in the Netherlands we would do the same thing and everybody would send in their shoe.........

This sounds like something taken from the movie "Wag The Dog", arguably one of the best political drama/comedies ever. They threw old shoes up around trees and light poles to show their support for the [fake] war.

reply to post by TruthParadox

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Your point might be valid, but the way you are coming across on this thread makes it seem as if you are trying to shove your opinion down everyone's throat.

A wise man once said "It's not what you say it's how you say it"

reply to post by operation mindcrime

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It would likely be the same kind of postal rate from here in the the UK too.

Rather than post a box of shoes, I'm just going to stamp a muddy shoeprint onto a peice of paper instead with a quote of "This is a farewell kiss, you dog" ....and will be more likely to get through mail screening to the whitehouse, whilst conveying the same message

Can we please stop flaming one another.

The OP was a light hearted suggestion at what may be a fun leaving office present for the Bushbaby on behalf of a country and world that generally acknowledge that this man has been out of his depth for years.

You know what - I think he'd probably even see the funny side.

Will you all stop taking yourselves so seriously and chill out.

I've had enough of this and I'm sure the majority of ATS'ers have as well.

It's petty arguments, one-upmanship and pseudo-intellectualism like this that is bringing this site down at times..

Shake hands, grow up and chill...

For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

peace,

MGGG

[edit on 16-12-2008 by machinegun_go_go]

reply to post by operation mindcrime

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I have yet to see any good arguments for sending your shoes to the White House...
You either refuse to think about what I've said or you honestly don't think that it would send a bad message for us to send old shoes to our own government...
Whatever.
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, and I strongly disagree with a lot of what Bush has done - but that doesn't change the fact that this is pointless and is based on anger.
You're probably just as angry at me for pointing out how illogical it is .

I'm done here. Hopefully someone will realize that this is pointless.
And if not, God help the delivery truck which has to bear such a burdon ...